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Psilocybe cubensis "Brasilian" on Horse Dung/Straw
    #1320241 - 02/19/03 04:36 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

1/12: Brasilian multispore to white millet. Incubated @ 85F

1/24: 3/4 qt colonised white millet spawned to 2 gallons 3:1 dung:straw mixture. Incubated @ 80F

2/6: Very colonised substrate cased with 1 qt 50/50 + (coir/verm) + fine oyster shell.

2/10: Overly colonised casing placed into fruiting chamber. Perlite humidification suplemented with once daily misting. Air exchange by fish tank airpump. Fruited @ 80F

2/13


2/17


2/18


2/19


Total harvest: 424.8 grams

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1320262 - 02/19/03 04:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, those look pristine
Pity there is no side view :frown:

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: zeta]
    #1320271 - 02/19/03 04:43 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

There is a side view, a handful view, a closeup view, and a single large shroom view. However my upload allowance has been reached. I will try to post more pics as soon as my allowance refreshes.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1320285 - 02/19/03 04:49 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Very nice Joshua, what temp did you incubate the millet and dung/straw mixture. A friend of mine has a couple of uncased spawn at room temp, and colonization is somewhat slow. I suppose you will be making some prints, interested in a trade or something, PM me.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: ISH]
    #1320312 - 02/19/03 05:02 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I added the temp details above. Prints were not made from this flush. Prints may be made from the next flush though. I will post in the exchange forum if I can get some.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1320322 - 02/19/03 05:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Sweet, Can't wait to see how your second flush turns out.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: ISH]
    #1321040 - 02/20/03 03:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

have you tried that strain invitro?... :cool:


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: IDontGrow]
    #1321458 - 02/20/03 06:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I find in vitro cultivation to be less productive, a lot messier, and generally not worth the time.

BTW...in a sence this is in vitro. I have taken an organism and am growing it outside of its normal environment. I think I know what you meant though.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: zeta]
    #1321486 - 02/20/03 06:56 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Some more....









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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1322783 - 02/20/03 03:25 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Ooohhh joshua, those look bad ass.

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Sorry Joshua I was Drunk as shit, and I didn't even see that I lready asked youabout the print. hehe


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: ISH]
    #1323802 - 02/21/03 03:26 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

The pics are all from the first flush, of which no prints were made.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1350656 - 03/04/03 05:09 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to revisit an old post, but I thought it was such a great grow. I also have a quick question for this guy I know: how much oyster shell should be added to the kind of coir/verm casing you used. If you catch this, thanks for your time  :grin:


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
    #1350727 - 03/04/03 05:50 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I use an approximate recipe of 5 parts medium grade verm, 5 parts coco coir, and one part oyster shell all by volume. I guess the measurements when I make my casings. I do the same when I cook. The actual ratios that will work for a casing layer are pretty flexible. Some people case with all verm, some with all coir. The shell is added as a buffer so that the casing layer does not become acidic in later flushes. I haven't really experimented with the ideal amount of shell to add. I add it like seasoning...just a bit for flavour.

My last Brasilian casing lasted for two months. I got some pretty impressive late flushes. I have a friend who has been learning some techniques from me. He had excellent luck on his first try with Brasilian. He just picked his 6th flush and yeilded 1/2 oz. dry.

My impression is that this strain is very resistant to contamination and an extended fruiter. It is also one of the most beautiful strains I have worked with.

Here are pics from a rather disappointing 2nd flush. The flush was picked on 2/26. The lack of mass was due to improper timing for introducing my casing to fruiting parameters before the first flush. This flush yielded about 160 grams wet. I expect more from the third flush as more pins are already showing.







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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1350755 - 03/04/03 06:06 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I can't wait to get to that stage.... your shit looks prime. very nice  Josh  :smirk:




 

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: TheWhiteRavens]
    #1350838 - 03/04/03 06:46 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I've had better...but thank you!

Here is a pic of the pending 3rd flush.



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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1350910 - 03/04/03 07:22 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

ok so can you give us the step by step on how you got such a nice yield? I have been looking arround at how to make some nice casings with straw dung and have had no luck on finding the step by step process could you help?

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Lotus]
    #1350937 - 03/04/03 07:37 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

That is a lot. I suggest you buy books called Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms or The Mushroom Cultivator, both are written by Paul Stamets.

These books will define terms and methods used in growing mushrooms. I use the same methods in my work.

I buy composted horse or cow manure. I then fill a pillowcase with as much as I want. I hydrate this to the proper moisture content and PC at 15 lbs for 1.5 hrs. I then cool the dung and spawn 1 qt of spawn to every 2 gallons of substrate. I like to use 3 gallon Rubbermaid containers (thanks Pleezr). I have also used all kinds of plasic containers.

When I made this mix, I cut straw to 3 inch pieces and mixed with the composted dung and followed the same proceedure I usually do.

Everything I could tell you and much more is in those books I mentioned. I strongly suggest you check them out if not buy them.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1351602 - 03/05/03 04:46 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I noticed you have two areas near the center of the cake that didn't sprout any shrooms. i have had a similar situation. they seems to grow closer to the edges..not on the edges but just not really in the center of the cake.... is this a moisture problem?


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: vaporbrains]
    #1351705 - 03/05/03 05:21 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Those Brasilian mushrooms in your last pics, looked incrediable. My ? is they looked like they were pick befor the veil even begin to brake from the cap. Do you like do that for the picture taking or for the consumption?

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1351726 - 03/05/03 05:27 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you, Joshua. 2 months, a 6th flush of 14 1/2 grams...wow! This guy I know will have to try the Brazilians next. He wasn't aware that casings became more acidic in later flushes, and will follow your 10:1 coir/verm to oyster shell recipe. Or, would a larger container (18 gal. Rubbermaid) w/ 4" of sub do better w/ just 10:1 coir to shell? Your current 3rd flush is looking very nice  :grin:. Thanks for the help. 


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: vaporbrains]
    #1352230 - 03/05/03 09:16 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

When I case I make the edges thicker than in the middle. This prevents mycelium from growing out of the edges first and pinning there. On this casing the mycelium penetrated the center of the casing first. Because I waited too long to initiate fruiting the mycelium in the center was not prime for initiating pins. The pins will form primarily at the interface of new mycelium and the casing layer. If you compare the location of the growing fruits to the areas of colonisation in the very first picture of this post you should be able to see what I am talking about.

Ideally the best time to initiate pinning is when there is a maximum of mycelial growth interfacing with uncolonised casing.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: summitstealth]
    #1352236 - 03/05/03 09:18 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I picked these at their prime for consumption...so is the general consensus. I don't usually pick them this early, but if I hadn't they would have been over ripe by the time I got a chance to get back to them.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
    #1352240 - 03/05/03 09:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I use a 10:1 coir/verm:shell on all of my casings, whether they are small or large. I will be casing an 18 gallon container w/ the same casing mix very soon.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1352957 - 03/05/03 02:55 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Hey there,

How is the substrate holding out? I did not read that you sterilized your straw in the earlier posts...do you do that step? What is next? :wink:

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: KingBolete]
    #1353267 - 03/05/03 06:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I posted a pic of the casing last night. Other than some overlay...the substrate/casing is doing good. I expect a few more flushes from it.

I mix the cut straw into the compost first, then the whole shebang gets sterilised @ 15 lbs for 1.5 - 2 hrs depending on the volume of substrate.

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I don't know how much more sensitive sterilised v. pasteurised substrates are to contamination. I had contamination before and I still get contamination now. I have decided that my environment is very contaminant rich. I know that the contams I get now are from me opening my containers, where as before I felt the contamination was present in the substrate (usually bacterial).

I build up a two or three inch platform in the bottom of the cooker. I then pour water through the dung until I feel the moisture is right. I mix the dung up inside the pillowcase by kneeding it. I make sure there is an inch or two of water in the bottom of the cooker and then PC. I took me a couple of tries to get the method down right.

My biggest failures are due to opening the colonising containers too much. I suggest keeping a spray bottle of peroxide handy. Anytime you do open the container up, make sure to mist w/ peroxide to prevent any contaminant spore germination.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: KingBolete]
    #1355837 - 03/06/03 11:23 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

This is an example of overlay. Overlay is not good.

After this flush I will recase with a thin layer of casing. I plan on roughing the surface up a bit with a fork, spraying liberally with a 1.5% peroxide solution, and laying down the casing layer.



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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1356933 - 03/07/03 08:01 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Early AM on 3/8

These are ready for the pickin'. And pretty pretty too.





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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1357143 - 03/07/03 11:27 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

3 hours later I have picked three specimens. Together they weigh in at 75 grams. I will pick the rest in the morning...3.5 hrs away.





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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1357309 - 03/08/03 03:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Here's the rest. Total harvest 163g.



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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1358906 - 03/08/03 05:28 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #1359074 - 03/08/03 07:33 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

that shit looks grate goodjob....    :cool: 

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: TheWhiteRavens]
    #1384421 - 03/17/03 12:49 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

The the casing was not recased as I said I would. The third flush yeilded 130g wet and the fourth flush yeilded 233 g wet.

Here are some pics.

3/8 - Third Flush - 130 g








3/17 - Fourth Flush - 233 g







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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1384821 - 03/17/03 02:43 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Oh man, give me a break... :laugh:

Those are so nice... and to see a fourth flush with that many specimens, is amazing!!

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    #1385505 - 03/17/03 05:28 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh man, give me a break... :laugh:

Those are so nice... and to see a fourth flush with that many specimens, is amazing!! 




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    #1395310 - 03/20/03 11:24 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1396014 - 03/20/03 04:47 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Those are very lovely!!


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Olgualion]
    #1397094 - 03/21/03 03:36 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

well ya invitro isnt going to produce the huge fruit a dung bed 5 in deep will...but it being more messy...how? you take your 1/2 pint form one place to another...with a dunk between flushes.... :shocked: they look alot like eq's when they are fully mature...a


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1397179 - 03/21/03 03:53 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Great job as always:)
Very nice !!!


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (3/17) [Re: Joshua]
    #1397458 - 03/21/03 05:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Do you sterilize the casing layer? How? As explained at 50/50+ document? :laugh: Thanks.


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (3/17) [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1397508 - 03/21/03 05:53 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Josh you own dude i have no clue how your shit is so good you must look like a umpa loompa because by the looks of thoes shrooms its not only your thumb that is green!!

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/26) [Re: Joshua]
    #1398069 - 03/21/03 09:21 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

congratulations. 5 shrooms from an impressed newbie  :shocked:


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1398210 - 03/21/03 10:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Not to dig up old stuffs but perhaps it is just me, or perhaps I skiped a post, but those fruits look a lot like a nipple in the cap area... My fruits never seem to look that... sexy.. hehe
Anyways fine job, keep the grow logs flowing Joshua :smile:

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: NixxoN]
    #1416567 - 03/29/03 05:10 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I came back from Spring break to a fifth flush of 220 g wet.

I would post pics, however it seems the pics/uploads are not working at this time.

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #1416728 - 03/29/03 10:28 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, we are on a temporary server at the moment!

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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: angryshroom]
    #1424781 - 04/02/03 10:52 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I have been saturating the overlayed casing surface w/ a 1.5% H2O2 sol'n and filtered water. I am hoping that as the casing shrinks it will fruit from the sides more.


Here are a couple pics from the 5th flush.



This one was about as long as my foot.


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: Joshua]
    #2178933 - 12/15/03 06:05 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

auggggggggggghhhhhh ! (salivating and licking lips)


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Re: Brasilian on Horse Dung/Straw (2/19) [Re: iggy]
    #2180943 - 12/15/03 09:03 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

damn good job!


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