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 truskool
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 F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek 
#13170675 - 09/09/10 02:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now there is going to be a lot of flack headed my way over this tek. Before you start talking shit there is a very similar method to this tek for rye in TMC so  I learned in mycology that you need to soak to germinate the endospores then simmer to get the right moisture. Worked great for me for quite some time. Takes over a day to get your spawn ready. I like the ezy pzy approach to mycowork so here's a new tek for you to try out.
The WBS I am using for this tek is shit. List of contents white millet, sunflower seeds, peanuts, fruit blend, canary seed, nyger seed. This is so far from wat you would want to use for spawn but 
1. Measure out 400 ml of WBS
2. Measure out 130 ml of water. Note different brands of WBS require different amounts of water you may need to try different amounts to get the right moisture content. Try 120-130-140 to get the right amount for your brand of WBS. You may need to mess around with the amount of water to get the right moisture.
3. I add a knifetip of gypsum to the jar at this point.(optional)
4. Put a lid and foil on your jars. Two different lid types. Noobieshroomie's and tyvek. Yes thats usps tyvek it aint illegal for a canadian to use a us federal envelope for purposes other than mailing.
5. Pressure cook at 15 PSI for 1.5-2 hours.
6. Clumping and looking wet on the bottom is normal.
7. Shake the jars well while still hot to distribute the water through out the grain.
2 days after G2G
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Edited by truskool (09/15/10 12:54 PM)
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13170805 - 09/09/10 02:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes thats usps tyvek it aint illegal for a canadian to use a us federal envelope for purposes other than mailing.
Stickin' it to the man internationally! 
Step 7 is crucial.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13170810 - 09/09/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just cleaned out a bunch of contamed jars and I'm eager to start them again, so I may have to give this tek a try. Got 30 lbs of bird seed left and I really hate leaving grains out soaking in water....
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13170816 - 09/09/10 02:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: Doc_T]
#13170820 - 09/09/10 02:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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Yes thats usps tyvek it aint illegal for a canadian to use a us federal envelope for purposes other than mailing.
Stickin' it to the man internationally!
Step 7 is crucial.
Of all the ppl to say that your the last person i ever though would
Step 7 is crucial and it may take upto a day for the water to absorb into the grain
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13170850 - 09/09/10 02:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's like what, 20 million of you guys? Take all the tyvek you want dude, we'll make more. 
US folks: don't steal tyvek! 
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: Doc_T]
#13170863 - 09/09/10 02:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
There's like what, 20 million of you guys? Take all the tyvek you want dude, we'll make more.
US folks: don't steal tyvek!
33 million i think
and yea you americans follow your laws
TBH i pointed out the tyvek and made that statement all about you doc
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13170882 - 09/09/10 02:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll bust on people who advise stealing it, but not just for using it.
For all I know, you might have gotten that in the mail as part of a Priority Mail package sent from the US with postage on it.
Still, it's not the best tyvek. And polyfil is better anyway.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13170889 - 09/09/10 02:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea but with this tek, you dont' get to rinse them off after the soak. there's a lot of dirt that comes off my WBS when i rinse. i feel safer rinsing the WBS after the soak.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: smurphy5000]
#13170896 - 09/09/10 02:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Doc_T said:
I'll bust on people who advise stealing it, but not just for using it.
For all I know, you might have gotten that in the mail as part of a Priority Mail package sent from the US with postage on it.
Still, it's not the best tyvek. And polyfil is better anyway.
Yep thats exactlly how i got it usps wont ship envelopes to canadaQuote:
smurphy5000 said:
yea but with this tek, you dont' get to rinse them off after the soak. there's a lot of dirt that comes off my WBS when i rinse. i feel safer rinsing the WBS after the soak.
When i first tried this i thought the same and would wash the WBS with dishsoap then got lazy and said fuck it
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: Doc_T]
#13170912 - 09/09/10 02:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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its illegal to take the envelopes from the post office? lol this is the first ive heard of this. consider the nature of the projects its used for, im not particularly worried about breaking that law.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: corallus88]
#13170917 - 09/09/10 02:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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corallus88 said:
its illegal to take the envelopes from the post office? lol this is the first ive heard of this. consider the nature of the projects its used for, im not particularly worried about breaking that law.
Messing with the mail service is a federal offense. You'll get in more trouble for growing some fungus, I'd think.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13170922 - 09/09/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^^ at that point, it's fair game.
Once it's sent to you in a Priority Mail package, even as internal packing, it's legitimately yours to do with as you wish.
(That's my interpretation of the fine print on the envelopes and website. I'm not a lawyer.)
I did grains like this for a while, and contam rates were fine.
But it was harder to handle than prepped grains. Like, breaking up the jars and such.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: Issius]
#13170928 - 09/09/10 02:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol well if the police find my mail evelopes im fucked anyway. no worries.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: Doc_T]
#13170938 - 09/09/10 02:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is the method we all used from the time sterile procedure was developed until recently when better methods were devised. I used to put the grains in the jar, fill it up with water and shake, then pour out the water and refill just until the grains were covered, then PC for 90 minutes.
RR
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13170965 - 09/09/10 03:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
This is the method we all used from the time sterile procedure was developed until recently when better methods were devised. I used to put the grains in the jar, fill it up with water and shake, then pour out the water and refill just until the grains were covered, then PC for 90 minutes.
RR
So you're saying that this will work, but soak, boil, pc is just better? I'm willing to wait a few days more for colonization if it means less prep work, but thats just me. If its going to cause more contams or something then I may back off of it, but a tub full of soaking bird seed is awfully difficult to explain.
I usually just tell people I'm experimenting with some new homebrew techniques and no one asks questions cause no one knows how to brew beer  It also helps that they typically enjoy my homebrew.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13171072 - 09/09/10 03:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
This is the method we all used from the time sterile procedure was developed until recently when better methods were devised. I used to put the grains in the jar, fill it up with water and shake, then pour out the water and refill just until the grains were covered, then PC for 90 minutes.
RR
I thought you were going to come in and slam me for this. I know this aint my tek nor have i fronted that it is. Like i said there is a recipe for rye in TMC that is very similar. Thanks for giving this the  TBH when i seen this I was like  your going to get fuct by endospores
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: truskool]
#13171203 - 09/09/10 03:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Endospores are something else that people blow out of proportion.
Yes, a few endospores can survive sterilization sometimes. Then they hatch into bacteria.
But that's not really a major concern if your grain is properly prepared.
Correctly hydrated substrate favors mycelium and inhibits bacterial growth.
It's a valid concern, but not a big deal.
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: Doc_T]
#13171477 - 09/09/10 05:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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truskool
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Re: F*%& endospores: The easy peasy WBS tek [Re: Damion5050]
#13179580 - 09/11/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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