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Typingwords
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PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!!
#1317664 - 02/18/03 06:18 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did anyone see this on the news? I just saw it and see no mention of it anywhere... I dont' come here often much anymore...(shrooms) are too bad on my anxiety...so maybe this is old news...
but WHAT THE FUCK?
They got arrested for selling spores and syringes etc, and because they had info on their website how to grow. How is this illegal? The only way would be if they didnt' have a disclaimer... right??
MJ, you still around and you know anything about this?
Just thought i would post this here for the PNW guys.... maybe it belongs in cultivation? ... Maybe it's already posted there?.... Maybe i"m just kinda cracked out right now LOL>
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1317683 - 02/18/03 06:24 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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YES busted...saw it on KING5 news
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KING 5 Investigators They're called "magic mushrooms" and they produce an illegal high. Tuesday, federal agents raided a local company that made tens of thousands of dollars a month selling them on the Internet.
The KING 5 Investigators have been looking into this company for weeks now.
The company is known as Fanaticus and they sell syringes, filled with a solution with countless spores.
With these and a little know-how, just about anyone can grow potent psychedelic mushrooms.
KING 5 was there when drug agents brought in one of two men suspected of putting a high-tech twist on the sale of an old-time drug by operating Fanaticus, the Web site that sells the magic mushrooms via the Internet.
Agents say the men operated out of a home near Lake Quinault in the remote rain-forest country of the Olympic Peninsula ? the perfect climate for growing mushrooms.
Authorities say they first heard about Fanaticus in phone calls coming in from across the country.
The KING 5 Investigators obtained some syringes from Fanaticus. A close look shows the tiny black spores floating in a solution.
Prosecutors say the spores themselves are not illegal. They don't contain the hallucinogenic properties of a full-grown mushroom, but the Web site contains specific instructions on how to inject the spores into a jar and grow a potent magic mushroom.
"It's the equivalent of selling somebody the ingredients to make meth and telling them how to mix it up, and getting paid for it. You'd be guilty of conspiring to distribute methamphetamine," said Doug Whalley, federal prosecutor.
At $10 per syringe, it appears the suspects? worldwide sales were making them rich.
At a court hearing Tuesday, suspected ringleader Robert McPherson admitted earning $30,000 per month and authorities say his only source of income comes from his thriving mail-order mushrooms.
DEA and the postal inspector?s office have been investigating Fanaticus for years. They actually planted some of these spores and grew mushrooms in a DEA lab to make sure the process works. And it did.
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Angry Mycologist
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This isn't good....
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felix
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and so it starts....
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: felix]
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Hamurabi
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the worst news i could see now:-(
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Hamurabi]
#1317891 - 02/18/03 09:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not good...
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1317892 - 02/18/03 09:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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shit, the dea and fbi knew about some of these guys way back in the 90's..
gotta be more to the story!
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ShrewDigsby
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Anonymous]
#1317894 - 02/18/03 09:20 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep. Times, they are a changin
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Anonymous]
#1317900 - 02/18/03 09:24 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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stock up on spores while they're legal!
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Edited by felix (02/18/03 09:26 PM)
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bert
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: felix]
#1317901 - 02/18/03 09:26 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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That sounds like a bad idea. If they arrest your supplier, they might show up at your house. Who knows.
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I suppose the fact that they were making 30K a month roused some interest by the authorities!
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1317909 - 02/18/03 09:36 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are probably going to get them on tax evasion. Its only a matter of time though. Again don't rock the table- there's a house of cards on top.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1317912 - 02/18/03 09:39 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shiznat TLG is closed temporarily!!!!!!
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1317924 - 02/18/03 09:56 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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A conspiracy to manufacture case will never hold water, i think, but this may be a bad sign of things to come. i certainly hope not. i also hope PF's books are in order.
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Asante
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OMG! The total BASTARDS
This is a slap in the face of justice. As far as I know spores aren't illegal, they should walk, tho passing an anti-"drug" law is as easy as passing gas after a meal of baked beans these days. And just now us shroomlovers increase in numbers and thus the usage/market for the TRUELY DANGEROUS STUFF decreases the law in their infinite wisdom pulls a crappy stunt like this. Let's stop taking our shrooms every once in a blue moon and go shoot up heroin at a rate of four muggings a day
Hey Feds: These Shrooms happen to grow in the wild, there's likely tens of millions of shroomgrowers worldwide just as there are tens of millions of spores in one shroom. The Second Psychedelic Revolution is going to steamroll over your stupid WOD. Eat our sporedust! There's no stopping the Wave It has already begun
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1318071 - 02/19/03 12:38 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, this government sucks.
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bluelou
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1318093 - 02/19/03 12:56 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shit i knew it?????????? Thats the first place i heard of in the High times mag!!!!! FUCK I KNEW IT??? Said to my self how long is this going to last, can't have fun in the USA right? Some thing like Mushies is not going to make people kill them selfs or anything like heroin an hard drugs. I FUCKIN KNEW IT could'nt believe that all these thing were on the net? almost a year ago, told a buddy HOW LONG IS THIS GONA LAST? not even a year.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: bluelou]
#1318099 - 02/19/03 12:59 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wonder where they DEA gets off arresting people for not breaking any laws. Truly fucked up.
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mjshroomer
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: bluelou]
#1318204 - 02/19/03 02:55 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is indeed truly a sad moment since PF was not conducting any illegal business. ANd anyone can go a publisc library and check out a copy of Paul's Mushroom Cultivator which also shows one how to grow psilocybine mushrooms.
Mj
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1318214 - 02/19/03 03:12 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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ANd anyone can go a publisc library and check out a copy of Paul's Mushroom Cultivator which also shows one how to grow psilocybine mushrooms.
Very good point! This is a joke and shows what a farce this whole fucking thing really is. What can you say about such utter nonsense! How do they justify what they do! Why do we put up with it! Seriously.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: sirreal]
#1318231 - 02/19/03 03:27 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is the United States. Shrooms are destroying the moral fabric of America, and anyone who does so must be destroyed. This is what the Powers That Be believe, and is so.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1318236 - 02/19/03 03:32 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is fucking bullshit. its like the god damn inquisition. everybody, PLEASE MAKE AS MANY PRINTS AS YOU CAN FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, just in case. OVERGROW THE GOVT!
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: rfgdxm]
#1318253 - 02/19/03 03:46 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is that truely there reasoning? Or do you think that control might be there main motivation? It is hard for me to believe that they think a mushroom is destroying this country.
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mjshroomer
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I Just left a nasty message at the king Five email site to this Ingalls duffer. Here arer a few impressions of this report.
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With these and a little know-how, just about anyone can grow potent psychedelic mushrooms
They are actually the least potent of the more than 190 known species which contain psilocine/psilocybine.
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Agents say the men operated out of a home near Lake Quinault in the remote rain-forest country of the Olympic Peninsula ? the perfect climate for growing mushrooms.
While thew Olympic pinnesula is ideal for naturally occurring mushrooms, the spore syringes sold in the PF company are spores for mushrooms which are grown infdoors in jars or cakes or closets or basements and not grown outdoors in the Olmpic Pinnesula. The lcation has nothing to do with the Olympic pinnesula.
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grow a potent magic mushroom.
Again, P. cubensis, the spores used by PF are not a potent mushroom and this again shows the DEA's ignorance of shroom facts.
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At $10 per syringe, it appears the suspects? worldwide sales were making them rich.
There are nmore than 500 companies selling spores worldwide. There are more than two dozen guides and booklets onb how to grow magic shrooms and edibles as well. These books are available from amazoon.com, E-Bay, public libraries and most University and college libraries as are all chemical journals which can show anyone how to manufacture methamophetmine or grow edible or psuychedelic mushrooms.
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They actually planted some of these spores and grew mushrooms in a DEA lab to make sure the process works. And it did.
Isn't it as illegal for them to grow these mushrooms as it is for mne or anyone else too or does this country now have two sets of standards. One for the averafge joe who grow them in a jar or cake in his basement or one law for the DEA to grow them in a lab. IF they are illegal for us than it should be illegal for the DEA to grow them as well. mj
Edited by mjshroomer (02/19/03 04:00 AM)
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mjshroomer
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
#1318258 - 02/19/03 03:52 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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No Jammer they actually have know of them since the llate 1970s when PF began advertising in High Times Magazine in the classifieds.
And they have also attended every drug conference and symposium and workshop and even mycological soc ieties monthly meetsings all over america for the last 25 years.
We should all mail chriss Ingalls an email at the King Five news chammel here in Seattle and tell them we will all not but the Seattle Times anymore.
Even if only ten or twenty people stop buiying the papers it will not hurt them financially but will make them think that there are people who will not suppotrt their BS investigations into people who have not broken the law.
mj
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1318274 - 02/19/03 03:57 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: bluelou]
#1318275 - 02/19/03 03:57 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wonder if the dea guys ate the shrooms to see if they were potent? This truely sucks! There's people that sell pounds of crack right down from my house and they don't do a damn thing about that!!!!!!!!There just mad because there not making any money off of it. And people are getting big kicks off things they'll never know.
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pillsbury420
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Damn this... anyway.. let's not give up.. write letters and emails... take tons of prints... we'll survive on underground print rings... or become self sufficent.. this is bull shit.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1318324 - 02/19/03 04:23 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is just horriffic news! Although I, and prehaps many others, doubt the legality of the bust and the impending trial on PF, it's safe to say if they broke any laws or not, law makers are going to make sure they make an example of them. It's probably going to slow things down around here for awhile until the PF trial unfolds, so stock up if you can and hope for the best.
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debianlinux
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: djd586]
#1318366 - 02/19/03 04:40 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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sooo PF had to be growing to produce spores en masse... was this legal to do where he lived? on a side note, the whole "information crime" thing has been struck down and also repeated attempts ahve been made to shove it through congress. this could be the case that makes information concerning drugs, manufacture, or other illegalities illegal. PF needs to get the very best representation possible. in fact, maybe he needs to beseach the ACLU or whatever organizations he can because this case hase extremely far-reaching implications. you know what really sucks about things like this? if PF wins out then life goes on and nothing is changed (we hope) but it is only a matter of time before "they" try again and again and again until "they" succeed. getting that reversed is next to impossible. it really pisses me off that we have to continually struggle for our freedoms and once they are gone we very rarely see them again. be careful what you say about "underground print rings" and such because you may well be labelling yourself guilty of conspiracy and I do not doubt at all that the stupid, pig-faced, fascist, fuckheaded, limp-dicked narcs are watching our every word nowadays. yeah, pig, i'm talking to you, bitch. hehe
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: debianlinux]
#1318398 - 02/19/03 04:50 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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debianlinux, I dounbt if he was growing shrooms.
I get all of my spores from Amsterdam from people who grow ones I bring back from Southeast Asia so I am not breaking any laws here.
I sell in quantities of 100 or more aned then the people who buy them form me might make syringes from them. OF theat I have no kinowledge, nbbut I am sure Fanaticus gets his prints from people who live outside the USA. Not here and I really do not believe he grows any shrooms in his home.
mj I met this man on a few ocassions more than 18 years ago and I find him to be honest and not into doing illegal activities so I hope people here will refrain from making incriminationg statesments about someone they know nothing about. This is to help if he is accused of these things which I know he does not do.
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debianlinux
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1318410 - 02/19/03 04:55 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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okay, i dig that but the article mentioned an area around lake quinault. to the best of my knowledge that is not in the US, maybe I should do some homework? edit: ummmm yeah, so washington is in the US . okay, never heard of LQ and you don't hear too much about the US being referred to as tropical or peninsulas. my bad. had I known this I would not have assumed him to be generating his own spores.
Edited by debianlinux (02/19/03 04:59 AM)
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mjshroomer
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: debianlinux]
#1318502 - 02/19/03 05:27 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is somewhere near Port Angelis in Washington State int he USA.
mj
Everyone in the Pacific Noerthwest knows the word Olmypic pinnesula.
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peruvian spark
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1318542 - 02/19/03 05:35 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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What exactly did he ( or they ) get arrested for? What are the charges? Did they get busted for taxes or paperwork as an excuse to make a big deal about the spores, or were they arrested for the spores only? Spores aren't illegal so how could that be. Something just doesn't seem right about this. If the police have known about them for so long, why would they wait until now to do this? There has to be more to this than what they are telling us. It's probably not as bad as we think, either.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1318565 - 02/19/03 05:42 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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theres only one thing that can be done, grow more mushrooms guys, and for every three shrooms you grow, make at least one print, if everyone at the shroomery did this the dea would be completely fucked and wouldnt be able to do a godamn thing about it, spores, in a very short time will be 100% illegal to posses in the united states, but we can still trade underground ( has both middle fingers pointed towards the white house) we gotta do it if the omc is to stay alive and fruitfull, i will be making hundreds of prints if i possibly can, fuckem you guys, this is bull shit, im genuinly pissed off about fanaticus being arrested, hes got money, but this guys hard earned money shouldnt be spent on fuckin lawyers and bond aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh im so pissed, this government is a peice of fuckin shit, thats my 2 cents
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Altec79
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Psychoslut]
#1318588 - 02/19/03 05:47 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm guessing there's gonna be a bit of a delay for all the recent orders placed to fanaticus...
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1318590 - 02/19/03 05:47 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't get it. I just don't get it. The spores are legal, and the information is legal under the Freedome of Infomation Act. This is truly FUBAR
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1318641 - 02/19/03 06:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I certainly feel bad for PF that now he is a victum of the drug war. I really have to question why he would brag to authorities he was making $30K a month. WOW! that is a lot of freaking money. I had no idea his customer base was so large. But now since he bragged that I'm sure they will check his tax records and probably get him in some sort of tax evasion. But even that could just lead to very large fines and not necessarily any jail time. So I guess the big question to all of this is weather PF was actually growing mushrooms at the location they arrested him at. I kind of doubt it, or they probably would have mentioned it in the news report. BTW, does anyone have any more details from the news report. Even a newpaper article from a Washington newspaper? Its my understanding where PF lived is on an indian reservation. At least thats what I was told from a friend in that area. MJ certainly has a good point that anyone can go to the library and checkout a book by Paul Stamets or find other references on how to grow these mushrooms. I'm not to sure if they could get him on conspiracy since the information should be protected by freedome of speech and the press. It certainly will be interesting to see how this one unfolds.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Altec79]
#1318656 - 02/19/03 06:04 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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durt durt durt ya think, wow
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1318668 - 02/19/03 06:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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BTW, if you guys want a copy of the FBI report from when they bought spores from PF and grew them out, here it is. FBI/PF report Its in PDF format. Enjoy.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1318678 - 02/19/03 06:10 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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the link didnt work you wealthy bird you
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Psychoslut]
#1318681 - 02/19/03 06:11 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok.. the link is working now. Wealthy bird... LOL...not even. I highly doubt PF was making that much money anyway. He's always liked to brag and spout off things to back his big ego. I highly doubt he is making anywhere close to that figure he mentioned. I know we certainly are not. Although he has been around a lot longer then us so maybe his customer base is that big. I will put that video footage together for you next week John
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Edited by Ryche Hawk (02/19/03 06:20 AM)
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1318682 - 02/19/03 06:12 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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HYe Hawk, the link doesn't work.
How is the video footage you promised me?
mj
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1318805 - 02/19/03 06:55 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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The link is working now.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1318819 - 02/19/03 07:02 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope, not for me...
but i am a retard
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: ShrewDigsby]
#1319178 - 02/19/03 10:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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If there is a big crackdown on mushrooms in the US, it would be interesting to see if it is followed by some kind of new psilocybin-based drug onto the market. After all, we wouldn't want people growing their own medication when they can be forced to pay for expensive pills.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1319233 - 02/19/03 10:15 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow,
it doesnt seem like the FBI pulled a very good flush from that cake,
they should have double ended or cased it....
or spawned some horse poop.
dig it
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: poke smot!]
#1319354 - 02/19/03 10:58 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Something's going to change. If the government pushes so hard to illegalize things like this, it is sending the general tone that the government does not want you to use mind-expanding drugs. To me, that is saying that our government is trying to limit how you think, and what you learn from these substances. They have shown me this, in this case, in the illegalization of many psychedelics, and in their endeavours to make illegal any substance like this, that isn't already illegal. (chime in Salvia Divinorum)
Well all except alcohol, which they - the government, have helped to protect the value and availability as much as any drug sold by huge corporations by over zealous enforcement of current drug laws. In fact, I believe it is compensation to organized crime and the fact that they now pay taxes on their profits of alcohol where as once they pocketed 100 % of the proceeds. These tax revenues serve as much valve as the many lobby groups the alcohol companies support which in turn supports them. There is an old saying my dad loved to use, "Money talks and bullshit walks..." We need to find a way to play/pay their game, which is essentially what busts like these are all about.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1319359 - 02/19/03 11:02 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found some new info on the PF bust.
Here is the direct link: http://www.thedailyworld.com/daily/2003/Feb-19-Wed-2003/news/news2.html
'Magic' mushroom bust at Quinault
By Lisa Curdy -- Daily World writer
Federal Drug Enforcement agents arrested two Lake Quinault - area men Tuesday in connection with an international operation that allegedly sold hallucinogenic mushroom spores over the Internet.
"It is unusual - a strange situation," Federal prosecutor Doug Whalley said from Seattle this morning. "The spores themselves - their possession is not a crime. It's not a controlled substance.
"But it is a crime to conspire to grow a controlled substance."
Robert McPherson of Amanda Park, one of the accused, appeared in federal court in Tacoma Tuesday afternoon and said he was making upwards of $30,000 per month selling the spores, according to KING Television.
Steve Coggin of Neilton, the second defendant, was arrested at a motel at SeaTac. Both are accused of possessing a controlled substance and conspiring to deliver a controlled substance.
Following more than three years of investigation into the worldwide sale of syringes filled with "magic mushroom" spores on fanaticus.com, the DEA and National Park Service investigators served three search warrants in the Lake Quinault area Tuesday afternoon. Grays Harbor Sheriff's deputies and Drug Task Force agents also participated.
The Fanaticus company, an Internet - based mail order operation, sold "magic mushroom" spores in a liquid solution inside blunt - tipped syringes, according to its Web site.
It advertised in High Times magazine and at its Web site, according to Mike Butler, the lead investigator for the National Park Service. The pair reportedly filled orders for 30 to 50 boxes of the spores per day at about $10 per syringe, he added.
A Post Office box listed an Amanda Park address, and the investigation began after a tip by the United States Postal Service, Butler said.
McPherson was arrested at his home at 630 North Shore Road around 8 a.m. for investigation of conspiring to deliver a controlled substance and possessing a controlled substance, Butler told The Daily World.
The two other search warrants were served at 469 North Shore Road and at Coggin's Neilton home, Butler said.
In Amanda Park, several vehicles were seized, along with other evidence, Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said.
"Plus, we found an active mushroom grow on the property of one of the defendants that they were using to get the spores," Whalley said.
Investigators are still seeking additional suspects. McPherson may be indicted as early as Friday, Whalley said.
"He's not facing a lengthy sentence" if convicted, the prosecutor said. "It wouldn't be like the 10 - year sentences we usually see."
Lake Quinault residents noticed the presence of federal agents earlier this week.
"It all started (Monday) night," a Lake Quinault - area business owner said this morning. "I seen helicopters, all of these federal vehicles.
"Then they all met up here at the Forest Service (Tuesday) morning at 6."
McPherson was a regular at the business owner's shop, the man said.
"I knew him for three or four years, and knew he was in the Internet business - but not the mushroom thing."
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1319364 - 02/19/03 11:11 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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According to the article McPherson, PF, was in possession of mushrooms and was conspiring to deliver the controlled substance. It also says one of the men arrested was growing the mushrooms for spores. The fact that they were growing them, and the possession is what is going to help the DA make these charges stick.
Also note about the FBI experiements in that report, that the mushrooms that were given light produces better flushes and healthier mushrooms
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1319513 - 02/19/03 12:14 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was just reading over in ADM that someone talked to the owners of Homestead Books and they are no longer going to carry the compost/spore kits in leau of what happened with PF. I knew that was coming, Homestead has been walking a thin line with those kits for a very long time. They are very fortunate the DEA didn't come hassle them when they were finished with PF.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1319567 - 02/19/03 12:54 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi Hawk and everyone else.
WEll as you know from Page two and three I wrote a long letter, posted here to email and sent to the reporter from King 5, Mr. Chris Ingalls.
Here is his response to me concerning the letter to him I posted above here in another post>
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Subject : KING 5 News Date : Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:55:14 -0800 Reply Reply All Forward Delete Printer Friendly Version John, Chris Ingalls, from KING TV Seattle, here. No, this is not an automated response. I read your e-mail and appreciate the information and, in some cases, don't diagree with what you've said. Are you in the Seattle area? Would you be willing to do an on-camera interview if we do a follow-up story. Please e-mail me directly at cingalls@king5.com. Thanks! Chris
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I have agreed to do an interview if the station decides to do a follow up. I want to ask MR. Ingalls what drove him to puirsue this investigation into someone he did not know.
Maybe I will find out. and report to him on positive movements within the shroom community.
mj
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1319575 - 02/19/03 12:58 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool! Give em hell, man.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1319606 - 02/19/03 01:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also note about the FBI experiements in that report, that the mushrooms that were given light produces better flushes and healthier mushrooms
Hi Hawk, what I found interesting in that article on cultivation was that they used p. cyanescens. in Manure?
What were they thinking.
Did PF sell them P. cyanescens mushrooms or P. cubensis and they misidentified them or what.
Mj
There is psilocine in the mycelia. plain and simple, yet they failed to detect any?
Hm
Also taklked to Homestead and they did not say anything about their stop selling anything but David was v ery busy and I couldn't talk to him very long.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1319668 - 02/19/03 01:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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MJ, please do keep us updated on your current situation with that interview. It's imperative to let the public see both sides of the story now.
Also, anyone else find it ironic that the FBI report is VERY informative when it comes to cultivation? Definitely helpful
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so say that a friend of mine had ordered spores. what would happened to them? he just sent an order in 2 days ago and now i find out they got busted. i feel so bad for theose guys, but more importantly, can he get looked up for this? this is a bad bad thing....
Edited by Howardo (02/19/03 02:27 PM)
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Howardo]
#1319801 - 02/19/03 02:15 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you guys find it odd that PF's website is still active? or is it just me?
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Demon]
#1319812 - 02/19/03 02:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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The spores are legal, and the information is legal under the Freedome of Infomation Act.
Actually, the info could be considered illegal. The gov't is also waiving your right to the freedom of speech. They could consider any of this "drug info" to be conspiracy to manufacture.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: TinMan]
#1319838 - 02/19/03 02:25 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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i hear he may have sent spores to illegal states...
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1319843 - 02/19/03 02:28 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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fucking christ, the sad part is, these people will get no sympathy from the mass media, these nice, law abiding citizens will be looked at as "drug king-pins" it will be the poster case for "why we need the drug war"
Of course, really, they are just taking our god-given right of free speech away.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: felix]
#1319859 - 02/19/03 02:32 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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what would happened the the orderers of CA or GA if they ordered recently? could the mail be intercepted? or would the feds even bother with the customers?
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Howardo]
#1319895 - 02/19/03 02:44 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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well, those people shouldn't be ordering from this great company, see.. they may have contributed to the seizure.
but, i'd say watch out, because those people are not allowed to own spores.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1319909 - 02/19/03 02:48 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think they've just been waiting for the fruit to ripen before they picked it.
They'll likely sieze everything he owns, everything he's worked for for the last 20-30 years. That's probably why they haven't busted him untill now. More money for them.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: debianlinux]
#1320051 - 02/19/03 03:32 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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if PF wins out then life goes on and nothing is changed (we hope) but it is only a matter of time before "they" try again and again and again until "they" succeed. getting that reversed is next to impossible. it really pisses me off that we have to continually struggle for our freedoms and once they are gone we very rarely see them again.
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Going back to the fact that he sold spores to CA and GA residents. I don't think that he will be prosecuted for this offense or anyone for that matter because these are state laws and PF was taken by the feds. Therefore, I don't think anyone will be charged for that.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Cherk]
#1320096 - 02/19/03 03:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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damn revenuers it's like the only reason the meangreen is illegal, 'cause you can grow your own, and they can't figure out how to tax it !
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1320170 - 02/19/03 04:16 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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everybody keeps using these abbreviations like they're universally understood
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1320500 - 02/19/03 06:35 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I certainly feel bad for PF that now he is a victum of the drug war. I really have to question why he would brag to authorities he was making $30K a month. WOW! that is a lot of freaking money. I had no idea his customer base was so large. But now since he bragged that I'm sure they will check his tax records and probably get him in some sort of tax evasion. But even that could just lead to very large fines and not necessarily any jail time.
Most likely he didnt brag....the DEA pulls tax records from anyone they 'suspect' as doing anything questionable, one thing I do know is they can have you under surveilance for years with out you ever knowing, they CAN hear every thing you talk about in you home with out the use of 'bugs' or line taps....ever heard of tempest...they know what you do on your computer and what you watch on TV... Fanaticus didnt have to brag about anything.....
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So I guess the big question to all of this is weather PF was actually growing mushrooms at the location they arrested him at. I kind of doubt it, or they probably would have mentioned it in the news report.
You as wellas anyone should know that most vendors do not grow, they recieve their spores from others, many even from off shore...the media wouldnt care, nor would the DEA, the whole thing as about making a few head lines for starters, they can try and prove a case afterwards and even if they can't....it doesnt matter, they have killed his buisness and that of many others...maybe they just noticed the comunity getting a little too large and they have decided to find an 'example' and use him to pass new legislation.....
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Its my understanding where PF lived is on an indian reservation. At least thats what I was told from a friend in that area.
Unfortunately that will not make him exempt from the laws....maybe if the indians were not prisoners in the land of thier ancestors...
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I'm not to sure if they could get him on conspiracy since the information should be protected by freedome of speech and the press.
We dont have that any more....havent for quite a few years...publishers have been requested not to publish certain books, news and TV can only air whats government authorized, ie...the FCC regs handbook, in order to have a peacable assembly you have to request a permit that can be refused by the CLEO of jurisdiction....the constitution has been toilet paper since 1911 and its now just a fable thy used to tell in schools....they really dont even do that anymore....
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: poke smot!]
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Something's going to change. If the government pushes so hard to illegalize things like this, it is sending the general tone that the government does not want you to use mind-expanding drugs. To me, that is saying that our government is trying to limit how you think, and what you learn from these substances. They have shown me this, in this case, in the illegalization of many psychedelics, and in their endeavours to make illegal any substance like this, that isn't already illegal. (chime in Salvia Divinorum)
Public Schools....remember the dare program....I was lucky enough not to have to endure that crap....and half of the people I know from 16 to 30 were introduced to drugs by the dare program....look at the rest that they teach...turn in your parents for somking pot...all kinds of crap....
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Soon the government will find that many intellectuals, and a rising majority of people, desire to have the ability to use these substances at their discretion. If they deem it essential to life, liberty, and most importantly the pursuit of happiness, then I'll be damned if the majority continues to allow the government to impede on the ability to do so. It's all in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence.
I saw the first advert claiming that pot smokers are terrorists by financial support, I was called a terrorist by a machine at a CVS pharmacy when the theft deterent system was set off....well, I like ther rest of america, must be a terrorist...
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1320526 - 02/19/03 06:55 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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According to the article McPherson, PF, was in possession of mushrooms and was conspiring to deliver the controlled substance. It also says one of the men arrested was growing the mushrooms for spores. The fact that they were growing them, and the possession is what is going to help the DA make these charges stick.
In washington state...every one has mushrooms in their yard.....
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1320539 - 02/19/03 07:05 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They actually planted some of these spores and grew mushrooms in a DEA lab to make sure the process works. And it did. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isn't it as illegal for them to grow these mushrooms as it is for mne or anyone else too or does this country now have two sets of standards. One for the averafge joe who grow them in a jar or cake in his basement or one law for the DEA to grow them in a lab. IF they are illegal for us than it should be illegal for the DEA to grow them as well. mj"
For anyone that wants to know the full details about the investigation in which the FBI (Not the DEA) was involved in (growing 'shrooms with spores ordered from PF) - Please Read This Thread: FBI DOC: THE PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS INVESTIGATION
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Poopman]
#1320545 - 02/19/03 07:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Going back to the fact that he sold spores to CA and GA residents. I don't think that he will be prosecuted for this offense or anyone for that matter because these are state laws and PF was taken by the feds. Therefore, I don't think anyone will be charged for that.
Watch your language....Firstly, there is no proof that he sold to a resident of a state where it's outlawed, secondly, he is in buisness to make money, and the resident of those states are the ones that need to know the law...it's not his resposibility to learn the laws of all 50 states, he has plenty to worry about with his own...
Lastly, there is a matter of jurisdiction, the Ca or Ga athourities would have to indict him on the charges and as he wasnt in possession in those states, there is nothing that they can do...he didnt ship them randomly to residents, the customers orderd them of their own free will....
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
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Am I the only one that even noticed the words PLANTED SOME OF THESE SPORES .....from the first time I read the article and everyone is quoting it and it's driving me nuts that no one is making jokes about it.... Prisoner#1
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1320566 - 02/19/03 07:24 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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tax evasion is heavy, IRS is heavy machinery. Thats what it took to take down Al Capone. They might not even care about where the funds are coming from. It sounds like he can afford a lawyer, and so we'll really have to see what happens. I wish him the best.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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"Am I the only one that even noticed the words PLANTED SOME OF THESE SPORES .....from the first time I read the article and everyone is quoting it and it's driving me nuts that no one is making jokes about it.... "
Your not alone bro! - kinda bugs me too.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1320700 - 02/19/03 09:39 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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At this time there are several threads related to this subject. But I want to make sure that people that are interested in this story see this (it was posted previolsy in another thread). I found this extremely interesting to read after hearing the news here. Check out this quote from the PF website!!!:
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"PF has peddled magic mushroom spores for a much longer time and to a lot more people than Power Products ever did, and there has been no raid at PF. BUT! example---- (Little 10 year old Suzy sends away for a spore syringe and gets a box from PF in the mail. Mother dear intercepts and opens the box, HORRORS! Out falls a syringe or two and a book about Magic Mushrooms - but sometimes there is no book and the scenario is much grimmer. Mom calls the cops and an investigation is inaugurated). Well guess what people (?), it has happened more than once with PF. And, PF is still on the air. The lesson of the story is to keep your head down. Don't grow large amounts and just keep it small. The clich?' "less is more" is always good when cultivating a shroom that is illegal and this potent. The narcs can only see it as an aquarium and some little funny shrooms. But if there is a large operation (large being very subjective), beware of narc actions. A little science project with a few jars and magic shrooms doesn't look worth a bust or a search warrant to a judge with a busy courtroom. More likely, some kind of selling operation involving people can get a search warrant and a real case. It is all a calculated risk. And by going low end and small, the risk is minimized. All the narcs can really have is evidence, and before they pull off a raid or get a valid search warrant, they have to "see the drugs"and that is done by legal surveillance."
You can find this on the still functioning PF site here: "Sacred Mushrooms and the law" Wow, how about that gang? Could he off been boosting a little too much here? Opinions?
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
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Isn't it as illegal for them to grow these mushrooms as it is for mne or anyone else too or does this country now have two sets of standards. One for the averafge joe who grow them in a jar or cake in his basement or one law for the DEA to grow them in a lab. IF they are illegal for us than it should be illegal for the DEA to grow them as well.
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well wouldnt we like to think that its illegal for the DEA to grow... but it isnt like that... remember when the medicinal mary-j thing was going on? same thing... we would think its illegal BUT the govt has FIELDS of g13 being grown for "research"... just like any & every other drug, the DEA posses & cultivates more then you know
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
#1320889 - 02/20/03 01:57 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I fainally dfound the reason they busted him.
Numerous parents around the country had intercepted their childrenns mail to find mushroom fgrowing syringes and kits. They in turned called the postal authorities who called the DEA. HEre is the story from the Seattle Post Intelligencer.
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Thursday, February 20, 2003
2 accused of selling 'magic mushrooms' online
By PAUL SHUKOVSKY SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
DEA agents, postal inspectors and park rangers arrested two Olympic Peninsula men this week after worried parents around the nation phoned in complaints that someone was selling "magic mushrooms" to their children over the Internet.
Robert W. McPherson and Steven Coggin each were charged with manufacturing the hallucinogen psilocyn and conspiracy to manufacture and distribute psilocyn and another hallucinogen, psilocybin. The two Grays Harbor County men are accused of peddling their psychedelic products on the Web and in the magazine High Times.
Authorities were alerted to the alleged conspiracy when "parents called and said they had intercepted packages going to their teenage kids," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Doug Whalley. The packages, sent through the U.S. Postal Service, contained mushroom spores suspended in water inside blunt-tip syringe pipettes along with instructions on how to grow the mushrooms, court documents said.
After consulting with investigators from the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the National Park Service, an undercover DEA agent bought spores from the defendants and successfully grew mushrooms, which were confirmed by a DEA chemist to contain psilocyn.
On two occasions -- July 17, 2000, and Feb. 13, 2001 -- the DEA agent bought spores from the company called Psylocybe Fanaticus through post office boxes in Amanda Park in Grays Harbor County and Seattle, court documents say.
Investigators conducting surveillance identified Coggin as the man who picked up incoming mail from the Seattle box twice weekly. Coggin's listed address in Neilton in Grays Harbor County is a home owned by McPherson and his wife. And the Amanda Park box holder is listed as McPherson, according to court documents.
On one occasion, investigators conducting surveillance at the Amanda Park post office observed someone who was not indicted give five U.S. mail tubs containing about 100 packages to the postal clerk.
The minimum purchase per order, according to the Psylocybe Fanaticus Web site, is $20.
Agents served a search warrant at McPherson's Amanda Park home Tuesday and found a mushroom-growing operation inside, Whalley said. At Coggin's home Tuesday, agents report finding supplies of syringes and mushroom-growing equipment. Of the three search warrants executed Tuesday, two were on homes on Lake Quinault within the Olympic National Park.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Ricardo Martinez declined McPherson's request for a court-appointed public defender after he listed his monthly income as up to $30,000.
Both men face up to 20 years in prison and a $1 million fine for each offense if convicted, although sentencing guidelines would likely result in much less severe penalties. They were ordered held pending a detention hearing tomorrow.
P-I reporter Paul Shukovsky can be reached at 206-448-8072 or paulshukovsky@seattlepi.com
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1320890 - 02/20/03 02:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hawk, the spores used in the article you posted by the FBI are noit the same spores used by the DEA in the PF case.
I came to this concludion since the paper you posted is from an FBI investigation and not a DEA investigation as is int he case of PF.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Poopman]
#1320894 - 02/20/03 02:02 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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He was busted becasue parents were complaining to postal authorities that their children were getting syringes and shroom growing kits in the mail.
Not because he sold spores to peopkle in California or Georgia.
Please do not be creating wild urban legends which are untruths.
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At a court hearing Tuesday, suspected ringleader Robert McPherson admitted earning $30,000 per month and authorities say his only source of income comes from his thriving mail-order mushrooms.
Any one ever notice ho long it takes for you to get into court for an araignment...normaly it's 3 days....PF was raided on tuesday, seems like a railroad job to me...araigned/bond hearing on the same day of arrest... not quite enough time to contact a lawyer and discuss the case with him.... Even on a federal level bond amounts are 'preset' unless the person is a serious flight risk or a danger to society....I dont see PF as either and I am society
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
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Your not alone bro! - kinda bugs me too.
there is a lot based on the news reports that just seem a little odd....
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1320967 - 02/20/03 02:55 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please do not be creating wild urban legends which are untruths.
mj
Thank you john....people dont realize how much damage can be done to PF's case just based on a litte hearsay....if they dont have evidence to the fact, they will find it, if they cant find it they WILL fabricate it....first hand knoledge in this area....
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1321135 - 02/20/03 04:37 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heya MJ, Personally I think its a really bad idea for you to meet with this reporter from Kings5. He is not your friend. All he is going to do is take anything you tell him and run with it to twist a bigger story making mushrooms growers look worse. He's probably going to make all spore business look likea bunch of mushroom peddlers to kids after the PF bust since it was kids parents who complainted. We see that type of story on the TV all the time "Are your kids safe from XX business on the net?" Get my point. And the fact you've already tipped him off that there are already some 500 companies similiar to PF's he's probably going to do his homework and put them in the limelight of his story. These type of business dont need that kind of attention. Especially with Homestead being right there in Seattle selling compost/spore kits with instructions, who do you think he will probably focus on? This reporter is not your friend MJ, think of him as the enemy. What good could possibly come from you meeting with him and giving him information?
Back to FBI report, yes they did screw up a lot of things in the report, including the species grown. We had a big discussion on this report in another forum a few months back, Jammer posted a link to it.
MJ I really hope you dont do this interview and just let it go. I know you love to voice your opinion but I really think you will do more harm then good on this one.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
#1321156 - 02/20/03 04:48 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting find Jammer. PF has always boasted how the FEDS have investigated him before. Even so much as came to his house before. I was quite shocked to read they actually had mushrooms growing at his place of business, his house.
I have always wondered how he got away with sending out the book on how to grow the mushrooms (PF TEK) with the spores. I always thought that was quite risky, even with the disclaimer in the book. But we all know PF and how proud he is of that PF TEK. One thing we have never done is sent information on how to grow them with our spores, nor will we ever. In fact I have been pulling what little info is still left on our website to keep it as safe as possible.
I'm also a little surprised that PF asked for a public defender. If he was really making $30K a month then he shouldnt need a publid defender. But as I said in an earlier post in this thread, I highly doubt he is making anywhere close to that. I think he was just bragging personally. We dont make anywhere close to that so I dont see how he is. Maybe he did 5 years ago before there were 100 other spore suppliers readily available now.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1321162 - 02/20/03 04:52 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now if we can all just take a moment of silence with God and send out a prayer for PF and his crew that hopefully they will overcme the forces that are againts them. Thank You.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1321264 - 02/20/03 05:34 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can the government freeze his accounts/assets because of this? If so thats probally why he ordered a public defender.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: TinMan]
#1321324 - 02/20/03 05:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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The gov't is also waiving your right to the freedom of speech
Actually, your first amendment right of freedom of speech does not extend to commercial speech. Why do you think there has not been cigerette adds on TV for years? This is to help protect the consumer from fraudulent companies. However, in some cases, its still BS.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: poke smot!]
#1321507 - 02/20/03 07:01 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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anhyone actually have a link to a website covering this news so i can go read and get depressed?
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: rohitabong]
#1322014 - 02/20/03 10:03 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd like to initially point out that I love mushrooms and I love the idea of cultivating my own. I find the entire process immensley interesting and quite a lot of fun. However I've noticed a lot of people claiming the DEA is wrong the FBI is wrong. The fact remains that psilocybin containing mushrooms are illegal in the US. Now if you send syringes with spores, that's one thing, but to have the audacity to include instructions on how to grow something that is illegal? They're busted. It breaks my heart really, and I wish it would never have happened to them. I hope they come out on top.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1322073 - 02/20/03 10:31 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got this whole thing mentioned at Marijuana.com
I don't know how much help it will do, but I figure the more media attention this gets the more open-minded people will see it and feel sympathy for them, and that can help.
http://www.marijuana.com/article.php?sid=5744&mode=&order=0
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Altec79]
#1322106 - 02/20/03 10:44 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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uuhhh, is everyone ignoring the fact that he was advertising in a marijuana related catalog while his base for selling was in the US? DUH! Of course your going to get busted by the FBI. Legalities or not if your advertising to sell spoores for something as illegal as magic mushrooms - the FBI probably knows about you. I'm sure anyone could have seen what he was doing through windows in his house. They were probably monitoring his mailbox to see if he was receiving them via the mail. They could tell he wasn't. They probably watched him to see if he went to take long walks in the woods to make spoore prints, and he probably didn't. Spoores dont magically appear, and im afraid the FBI knows that. Thats just my 2 cents.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#1322140 - 02/20/03 11:01 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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This whole thing is nuts.
Too bad this is a benchmark case, and will have a significant impact on spores in the US. Let's all hope for the best.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: daba]
#1322249 - 02/20/03 11:45 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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They were making 30 grand a month right? So, 360 grand a year....
They should be getting a pretty good lawyer.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Sombie]
#1322307 - 02/20/03 12:13 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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that 360 K per year will prolly be confiscated as proceeds of crime.
And when they said he was making around 30K per month, the autorities ALWAYZ make up numbers never take them for their word..they r full of shit. they will make him look like a kingpin and get the public (who dont do drugs whatsoever) to see that it is absolute necessary to get him behind jars for a very long time!
i wouldnt do that interview either....these ppl are only lookin for a news story and i wouldnt trust them at all. Be careful though my friend!!!!
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: sBUD]
#1322344 - 02/20/03 12:30 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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This whole thing reminds me of that idea, the social contract : the moral justification of the government... We simply lost our freedom... I'm truly sorry for them.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: MushMushi]
#1322481 - 02/20/03 01:30 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the only legitimate reason the DEA had to get a warrant was because they were telling people how to grow and selling spores at the same time. They were basically promoting illegal activity and thus they were charged with conspiracy. They could legally distribute spores and they can legally distribute the cultivation instructions. They just can't legally distribute both at the same time. If they send you spores with instructions on how to grow them then they are basically giving you everything you need to break the law. Spores are suppose to be sold for microscopy. Not for growing. If they indicate in any way that they are selling them for cultivation it then becomes illegal and they are charged with conspiracy. That is basically what happened in this case. I don't think this means the end of spore suppliers. Its just that the ones in the U.S. have to be careful. They aren't even allowed to answer cultivation questions that customers may have. Let alone give them complete instructions on growing. If they were to do so then they are breaking the law.
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With that being said, I wish them guys luck. I hope they beat the charges. Its a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. They'll probably get off if they get a good enough lawyer. Money talks and bullshit walks. Its sick, but thats the way it is.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Sombie]
#1323112 - 02/20/03 05:27 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Someone said : I don't know how much help it will do, but I figure the more media attention this gets the more open-minded people will see it and feel sympathy for them, and that can help. In some aspects your right.. .. bad press is always good press. It will absolutly fuel spore sales for a couple of years...but in the end I think the gov will win and they will pass laws to stop all spore sales. I prefer no press.. fuck sales for a few years and lets keep our freedom and constitutional rights in tact. Keep spores and free speech/press wide open. PF may just plead guilty...it ends quickly with no new judicial laws passed. If this BS drags out in courts new laws good very easily be passed and mushroom enthusiast around the world feel the pain. Personally the more I think about it the smaller it is. In my opinon..PF got busted because of the PF TEK... DETAILED instruction on how to produce mushrooms containing psilocybin (controlled substance) with every order. He use to sell a book...had it advertised...with orders. DAmn...my best friends, first cousin...dughter of my sisters mothers cloesest neighbor started growing mushrooms because of that book and spores bought from PF. The interesting part is they...FBI claims from what we have read.....is they did not start investigating him unil the year 2000. PF has had an add in HT since the late 70's according to MJSHROONMEr.... and we all know he is the utmost historian on this subject! He may be not be the smartest duck in the flock ... but damn that MJ sure knows his mushroom history
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#1323342 - 02/20/03 07:42 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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What about other vendors now? Are you kinda making sure that never happens to u?
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: dr4g0n]
#1323361 - 02/20/03 07:59 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smart vendors dont grow there own spores in The U.S. They purchase them from others that do.. sometimes in places where 'shrooms are totaly legal.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
#1323421 - 02/20/03 08:48 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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i know..and that is what gave me the biggest shock during all this..the fact that he was growing his own..at his house!...i mean..sorry but isn't that just plain stupid?..owning and opertating one of the largest spore vending businesses online, while promoting and distributing information about illegal drug manufacture which could be used with his product to produce an illegal substance, and all this after already having been investigated before by the feds...i mean he dug his own hole...come on, of course the cops knew his spores had to come from somewhere..and they should've come from another country...his place should've been skweeky clean..i find it really hard to believe that he(or anyone in this business) would be so careless about such a thing..that is assuming that he wasn't framed by tha pigz..
i wish they were more specific about what facts they used to get the search warrant..i mean did they know he was growing before hand, or did they obtain the warrant purley based on the fact that he was selling a LEGAL product while providing LEGAL information..if thats all it took, then that is not a good sign..
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Jammer]
#1323449 - 02/20/03 09:20 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn that fucking sucks...log on and see "Fanaticus Busted". But what can we do. We tell ourselves that he will get out of it. But I don't think he will get less than a few years at least. PF's incarceration will only make us harder to beat, however. Over the years I have noticed that every big bust there is, people in the underground community do one of two things. The first being simply to quit, scared off by the threat of punishment. And the second, to work harder at not getting caught. Finding sneakier ways of doing things. Which is the group that most of us are in. Even if the US government passed laws to regulate the distribution of spores, that won't happen for at the very least a year or so. The senate moves much too slowly to bring about any immediate changes. I mean look at all the chaos surrounding the movement against Iraq and Suddam. Everyone agrees that we need to go in there and kick some ass...but we can't do it untill the senators say we can. And that gets MUCH more publicity than this issue ever could. But, say they did police the distribution and sale of spores, our community is ever adapting...changing in order to accomodate the laws. Look at the marajuana cultivating community, MJ seeds are illegal to possess let alone sell in the United States, however, they still are distributed to whomever wants them wherever they are, despite the laws and regulations placed on them. MJ has sites like Overgrow that comes with a list of seed vendors outside the US. If spore regulating laws are passed then people will simply go to a vendor in canada, or from the netherlands. All I am trying to say is that although the government has won the battle, they could never win the war.
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Krayzie
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Krayzie]
#1323469 - 02/20/03 09:33 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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-In reply to lazyvegan's last post-
First of all, explain to me where it said in the article that he was growing mushrooms at his house? PF had an ENORMOUS operation. The guy made 30 G's a month. I doubt very much that someone running that kind of operation for that long, would let himself be busted so easily. No, PF was busted for conspiracy to manufacture, not posession.
And as far as Fanaticus "digging their own hole" and being "stupid"...If Fanaticus wasn't there then a lot of you people wouldn't be either. If PF hadn't come up with the absolutely ingenious jar tek, then mushrooms would not be as easy to grow. If mushrooms weren't so easy to grow, then a lot of people cultivating today....simply wouldn't.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Krayzie]
#1323470 - 02/20/03 09:34 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok.here's tha link-> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/109389_mushroom20.shtml ..and i posted below some relevant excerpts..and believe me i'm not one to go around calling people stupid, especially not PF..he has done ALOT for this community..but it REALLY wasn't the smartest thing for him to be growing considering his business, his actions, and his place in the limelight..i wouldn't have done it had i been in his situation.. and they have been charged with actual manufacturing along with conspiracy to manufacure.. Thursday, February 20, 2003 2 accused of selling 'magic mushrooms' online By PAUL SHUKOVSKY SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER Robert W. McPherson and Steven Coggin each were charged with manufacturing the hallucinogen psilocyn and conspiracy to manufacture and distribute psilocyn and another hallucinogen, psilocybin. The two Grays Harbor County men are accused of peddling their psychedelic products on the Web and in the magazine High Times. Agents served a search warrant at McPherson's Amanda Park home Tuesday and found a mushroom-growing operation inside, Whalley said. At Coggin's home Tuesday, agents report finding supplies of syringes and mushroom-growing equipment. Of the three search warrants executed Tuesday, two were on homes on Lake Quinault within the Olympic National Park. and as far as i know they could pretty much make spores illegal within a month if they wanted.. the government has emergency scheduling powers..i mean look at 5meodipt and amt..both were emergency scheduled last month and will be illegal this month..30 days is all it takes..spores 'may' be harder to schedule as they contain no controlled substances, but i don't think it would be that hard for them to do considering they are a direct precursor to growing an illegal drug..and like you said, both pot and her seeds are illegal..frankly i'm surpried spores have stayed legal as long as they have..it's not like they really have many other uses..like poppy seeds do or whatever..we'll see..
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Edited by lazyvegan (02/21/03 12:08 AM)
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: lazyvegan]
#1323521 - 02/20/03 10:27 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I stand corrected...
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Krayzie]
#1323555 - 02/20/03 11:52 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I mean look at all the chaos surrounding the movement against Iraq and Suddam. Everyone agrees that we need to go in there and kick some ass...but we can't do it untill the senators say we can. And that gets MUCH more publicity than this issue ever could.
You can stand corrected on this issue aswell, many hundreds of thousands of people have been attending protests around the world against this "war". The reason it hasn't happened is because everybody knows the proof is pretty lame. A couple of sat photos of Meth labs in the desert? How about the so called "Death Ships" that were publicized before? you know.. the ones that apparently are stocked full of weapons without a shred of evidence to suggest the claims by the media are true. Nobody really believes this shit but George W and his oil merchant buddies. There is no problems with senators, the problem is that nobody actually really agrees with america. I encourage you to try to find a real news source, that way you will actually learn the truth about the war, not what the government wanted cnn and the rest of the puppets to tell you. This isn't the place to tell you this but yeh.. sorry.. couldn't believe anybody really thought that
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: utopianglory]
#1323567 - 02/21/03 12:10 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I mean look at all the chaos surrounding the movement against Iraq and Suddam. Everyone agrees that we need to go in there and kick some ass...but we can't do it untill the senators say we can. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ uh yeah...not 'everyone' agrees..
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Edited by lazyvegan (02/21/03 12:12 AM)
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: lazyvegan]
#1324036 - 02/21/03 05:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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A quote from Lazyvegan,
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spores 'may' be harder to schedule as they contain no controlled substances, but i don't think it would be that hard for them to do considering they are a direct precursor to growing an illegal drug..and like you said, both pot and her seeds are illegal..frankly i'm surpried spores have stayed legal as long as they have..it's not like they really have many other uses..like poppy seeds do or whatever..we'll see.."
This is interesting.
While Pot seeds are definitely illicit, Opium poppy seeds to grow opium which can be used to manufacture heorion is not illegal and can be purchased from any bar and restaurant supply house in AMerica and throughout the known world.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1324074 - 02/21/03 05:56 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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frankly i'm surpried spores have stayed legal as long as they have..it's not like they really have many other uses..like poppy seeds do or whatever..we'll see.."
The Man Says: "Personally, I dont care if they went all out and made them illegal. I have my EQs and Creepers, just make prints
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: bjkroll]
#1324166 - 02/21/03 06:38 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
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frankly i'm surpried spores have stayed legal as long as they have..it's not like they really have many other uses..like poppy seeds do or whatever..we'll see.."
The Man Says: "Personally, I dont care if they went all out and made them illegal. I have my EQs and Creepers, just make prints
it's nice to know that your apathetic to having your freedoms taken away simply because your willing to continue even though it is illegal.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1324610 - 02/21/03 10:02 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
While Pot seeds are definitely illicit, Opium poppy seeds to grow opium which can be used to manufacture heorion is not illegal and can be purchased from any bar and restaurant supply house in AMerica and throughout the known world.
if i'm not mistaken, pot seeds do contain trace amounts of thc, which is why there illegal, and 'supposedly' why the dea recently banned hemp seed from even being used in food...on the other hand with the poppy seed, is is commonly believed that the only reason they have been known to give false positives on drug tests is because since the seed was insided the pod with opium, trace amounts of the active alkaloids attach themselves to the outer shell of the seeeds..but the seeds themselves do not contain alkaloids...with pot it is very easy to grow alot of pot with only a few seeds..it is not so easy to make alot of heroin out of poppies, and even if one had the chemical knowlege and equipment to do it, to produce enough crude opium for even a medium sized operation would require huge amounts of land to grow them on..so poppies (in this country) will stay more for the personal enthusiest, and the dea doesn't percieve her seeds as a threat to society..espesially since they're so popular in the food industry..and i think to an extent the dea is also afraid to sensationalize the poppy in the media too much..if the general population found out that they could grow their own opium in three months from seeds bought off the spice rack at safeway, i think the government would beafraid of it turning into some widespread epidemic of something..i think it's in their best interest to supress knowledge about this one..
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Holy Crap [Re: Sombie]
#1324769 - 02/21/03 11:24 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I sent for 2 spore syringes in December from PF, and didnt get them after two months, so I sent them a letter asking where the hell they were. I guess I know now... This is scary.
Edited by Moon_Tea_Brewer (02/21/03 11:26 AM)
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You know it is not very intelligent to sya that you ordered items which could be used to manudfacture an illicit substance, especially since you live in California where it is illegal to have spores, bringing them into the state of California could propbably get you a year or two jail sentence for transporting them acrtoss state lines for ilolegal use where they are illegal to have to being with. Now you let everyone know you were breaking the law.
Good job.
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#1324858 - 02/21/03 12:05 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Baby_Hitler
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I was under the impression that spores were illegal in California, not because they are drug related, but because they are not a native species.
Which would result in the same penalty that you would get if you were bringing in Syrian rue, or Portuguese farting bunnies.
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Krayzie
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My friend's cat said that PF always came through for him. I would imagine you didn't recieve your order because you live in california. The cat told me that it says PF will not send spores to California or Georgia.
Oh yeah good job in incriminating yourself mate.
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Re: Holy Crap [Re: Krayzie]
#1325740 - 02/22/03 01:10 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well that depends on your perspective on the whole thing, as he admits he didn't actually receive the order he made. Doesn't sound "that" incriminating to me. There are plenty of people on here admitting to cultivation without them worrying about people who made orders who never received them.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1327808 - 02/22/03 11:57 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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To hell with those bastards that do war on drugs ! As they don't want to fight drugs, but the people who use it.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Waldarbeiter]
#1328487 - 02/23/03 09:32 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Poopman]
#1328491 - 02/23/03 09:34 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the laws (for CA at least) are too generalized and are not specific enough to charge anyone with. Also, has anyone ever heard of someone being indicted for possesing or ordering spores to Cali or Georgia? Because I sure haven't.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: ]
#1329671 - 02/23/03 06:46 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well americas DRUG WAR hurts yet another Person\group of persons.....
why do I get the feeling I should just highlight that sentence and hit copy .....because I am gonna have to keep pasting it if the fools that are ok with this war on drugs are dead\change their minds\ fight for change
So internationally, "the war on drugs" provides a cover for intervention. Domestically, it has little to do with drugs but a lot to do with distracting the population, increasing repression in the inner cities, and building support for the attack on civil liberties. ----------------Noam Chomsky
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Quote:
I was under the impression that spores were illegal in California, not because they are drug related, but because they are not a native species.
I remember hearing this book signing show that terrence mckenna had for his book "Food of the Gods", the reason spores were illegal because the governer or mayor or something had some dirt dug up on him about doing cocaine like once, and it was a bad public image, so to get people back on his side he outlawed psylocybe spores.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Cherk]
#1330147 - 02/24/03 12:22 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would it have been better if the spore suppliers didn't provide information on how to use the prints?
It seems to me the only reason they have a case at all is because of the teks on the site. Wouldn't No Teks = No Case or am I just being niave?
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: greenshaman]
#1330180 - 02/24/03 12:43 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck that man the DEA and pigs can all go to hell
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mjshroomer
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WEll another stupid Urban Legend. A Aalifornia Congress woman's son or Congress man's son ordered a kit int he mail and their parents found it. This ledd to the c reation of the law. Something like that. Had nothing to do with a governor who does not do cocaine. ANd what does that have to do with Terence McKenna or Dennis? I cannot believe some of you where do you get these sotries, mj
Edited by mjshroomer (02/24/03 03:56 AM)
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That came from McKennas mouth himself. I have a set of mp3s called The Tee of Knowledge by McKenna. In one of those lectures he states that they are illegal because of the dirt on the governer.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1333175 - 02/25/03 02:53 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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While PF was really good about not keeping a paper trail so as not to incriminate their customers, I think the post office reads mailing labels electronically for sorting purposes. That means that there's a big database of From: "PF" To: "here and here and here" records just sitting there.
I don't think it's enough to instigate a nationwide series of "meet-and-greets" but I bet that that info was forwarded as an FYI to local law enforcement.
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: lazyvegan]
#1333244 - 02/25/03 03:25 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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*** Open minded people? heh The more governments suppress mind-expanding substances, the less open-minded people are on this planet. Well - all my honour, good wishes and (+) vibes to fanaticus guys. It could have been You
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Quote:
I cannot believe some of you where do you get these sotries
Where did you get yours?
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AcccchhhhhhhJEW (achhoooo)...i mean god bless you baby hitler
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Cherk]
#1355733 - 03/06/03 08:23 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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the beginning of the end... spores are allready illegal in cali so i'm fucked anyways FUCK 5 - 0 !
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Typingwords]
#1355871 - 03/07/03 12:14 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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This fucking sucks!!!!!!!! How can they be prossicuted(sp)?? They cant all they have to do is get a good lawyer. Info is not illigal nor are spores so unless they found the dudes growing shrooms they cant do shit legally!!!
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Re: PF GUYS ARRESTED???!!!!! [Re: Glacius]
#1355892 - 03/07/03 12:29 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not only did the FBI participate in the perchase of spore syringes, they also admit to the cultivation of an illegal substance. This can not go unpunished. They also supported the conspiricy by perchasing the spores and investing money into PF. I say prosicute the FBI for production of an illigal substance!!!
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its not a war on drugs, its a war on personal freedom ok? keep that in mind at all times
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sometimes i feel just like you. 4+ major busts in the last few months. i think Ed's case will be my determining factor. the bush administration has really fucked shit up, i 'm not sure that it could ever be fixed
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i've also noticed that the sporetradingpost.com no longer sells psychadelic spores. it's a cryin shame. god damn pigs.
good day.
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