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    #13174107 - 09/10/10 07:50 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Tyvek is about the biggest new thing in cultivation in years, it definately changed the way I grow, But I was just wondering, if someone was to see the envelopes over my jars, do you think I would catch another charge for some sort of federal mail violation?

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: SomeGuy]
    #13174116 - 09/10/10 07:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Read what the envelope says about it. It's right there printed on the back.

Plus, it's just not the best choice even as tyvek goes.


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    #13174119 - 09/10/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think the manufacturing charge should be a bigger concern.


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: FooMan]
    #13174131 - 09/10/10 07:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the manufacturing charge should be a bigger concern.




If you were to get busted for growing mushrooms, I would think that they wouldn't even bother to look at the envelopes, as the manufacturing charge would be big enough as it is.

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: FooMan]
    #13174132 - 09/10/10 07:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno, Foo. Postal Inspectors were jack-booted thugs before the DEA even existed.

Still, if you don't steal substandard filter material, it's not an issue.


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13174186 - 09/10/10 08:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well, federal charges trump state charges anywhere you go, so I'm afraid they wouldn't just drop it, but use that to make the whole thing a Federal crime, and send me to federal prison:frown:

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: SomeGuy]
    #13174207 - 09/10/10 08:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Sure. One count per jar or envelope, if you had a crafty prosecutor.

Again, it's not very good tyvek, and tyvek doesn't make the best lids (imo).
Stealing useless crap that carries federal charges is just stupid.

Edit- for mailing things, the stuff kicks ass! :thumbup:


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13174242 - 09/10/10 08:32 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Idk, I use one layer and chenge the tyvek everytime and it has been working great. One envelope makes hundreds of 1x1 squares that I scotch tape on. My success rate has been over 80% this way, and it wasn't much better with PF cakes, so the 20% that fail are prob. my own fault and not that of the tyvek

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13174246 - 09/10/10 08:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

if anything feel bad that you are stealing from the postal service, which can barely keep its doors open as it is. taking advantage of people is a slippery slope.

also like doc said: subpar filter material.


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Frizzle]
    #13174268 - 09/10/10 08:38 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Try polyfil. 20% contam rate suxors.


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13174291 - 09/10/10 08:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you seen my house, you would be suprized that I get any to grow:crazy2:I've never had good luck with polyfill

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Frizzle]
    #13176163 - 09/10/10 04:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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if anything feel bad that you are stealing from the postal service, which can barely keep its doors open as it is. taking advantage of people is a slippery slope.

also like doc said: subpar filter material.


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    #13176443 - 09/10/10 05:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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if anything feel bad that you are stealing from the postal service, which can barely keep its doors open as it is. taking advantage of people is a slippery slope.

also like doc said: subpar filter material.


:thumbup:



Any Idea as to why the United States Postal Service is broke, same reason the BIG auto companies are, there fucking employees are way overpaid and there ran by the government which by the way should not be running any kind of business...


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176464 - 09/10/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

None of that has anything to do with stealing poor quality filter material.


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176465 - 09/10/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i bet they would drop the tyvek charge if you would plea guilty to mushroom cultivation.  and    tyvek seems to never contam for me.


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13176482 - 09/10/10 05:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You dont have to steal it they give them to you to mail shit, Second go get sum Fed x ones or UPS tyvek - they are private owned :wink:  no charge


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13176484 - 09/10/10 05:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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None of that has anything to do with stealing poor quality filter material.



Just send yourself a letter in a tyvek envelope and it wouldn't be stealing... Just got yourself a whole mess of filters on the cheap...


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176488 - 09/10/10 05:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

$4.90 each.

You guys are just fucking around trowing out stupid ideas here.
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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176489 - 09/10/10 05:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

$4.90 each.

You guys are just fucking around throwing out stupid ideas here.
Take it to the Pube, willya?


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13176503 - 09/10/10 05:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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$4.90 each.

You guys are just fucking around throwing out stupid ideas here.
Take it to the Pube, willya?



ASSuming your family works for USPS... or you... settle down...


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176564 - 09/10/10 05:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

whether or not you're mailing it to yourself, still destroying fed property dingus's

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176573 - 09/10/10 05:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Now we're back to stealing.
And no postal employee is going to send packages for free to you anyway.
So it's fictional.

:rolleyes:


Enough with the fictional theft, guys. Give it a rest.


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13176596 - 09/10/10 06:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

as soon as you do anything to that USPS envelope BESIDES mailin shit, its illegal. 

(p.s. - was trying to help ya out here doc)

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: krum]
    #13176597 - 09/10/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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whether or not you're mailing it to yourself, still destroying fed property dingus's



You already paid for it 'dingus's' whtever the fuck that is... and use FedEx they don't give a fuck... and no krum the Fed in FedEx does not mean they are federally owned...


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    #13176605 - 09/10/10 06:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Fed in FedEx does not mean they are federally owned...




I didn't say it was

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: Doc_T]
    #13176610 - 09/10/10 06:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Now we're back to stealing.
And no postal employee is going to send packages for free to you anyway.
So it's fictional.

:rolleyes:


Enough with the fictional theft, guys. Give it a rest.



Wow who said that but your telling me that those tyvek envelopes are not ever to be destroyed or altered, then what the fuck are you suppose to do with them, you can't throw them away they will be destroyed or altered please fill me in...


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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: krum]
    #13176622 - 09/10/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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as soon as you do anything to that USPS envelope BESIDES mailin shit, its illegal.




I was referring to the USPS envelop as Federal (or fed for short) property.

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176639 - 09/10/10 06:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Wow who said that but your telling me that those tyvek envelopes are not ever to be destroyed or altered, then what the fuck are you suppose to do with them, you can't throw them away they will be destroyed or altered please fill me in...




not destroyed or altered, but misused in any way..you can throw them out if you want

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: krum]
    #13176645 - 09/10/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:burn:

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    #13176655 - 09/10/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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as soon as you do anything to that USPS envelope BESIDES mailin shit, its illegal. 

(p.s. - was trying to help ya out here doc)



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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176664 - 09/10/10 06:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

okay, so anything besides mailing shit or throwing them in the garbage.  Jesus, now we're just splitting hairs man.

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    #13176669 - 09/10/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

But what if I mail garbage in them, then what ???


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    #13176683 - 09/10/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahaha....I think as long as its not liquid, alive or perishable, you should be able to mail it no probs.  Otherwise, you'll get charged extra or some shit.

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: cloudsaregathering]
    #13176689 - 09/10/10 06:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

With Tyvek scraps being free at almost any construction site. Cheap bulk Tyvek for sale on Ebay (for tent footprint/tarp).

Seems kind of wasteful to chop up a perfectly good envelope.

And ultimately. If it feels wrong, Isn't that answer enough?


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    #13176707 - 09/10/10 06:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

True, for real though I don't give two shits I use Whatman filters, they kick ass...


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    #13176746 - 09/10/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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if anything feel bad that you are stealing from the postal service, which can barely keep its doors open as it is. taking advantage of people is a slippery slope.

also like doc said: subpar filter material.


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Any Idea as to why the United States Postal Service is broke, same reason the BIG auto companies are, there fucking employees are way overpaid and there ran by the government which by the way should not be running any kind of business...




If you're that uneducated, why don't you take that shit to the politics forum where you'll be in good company.  The postal service is NOT ran by the government, but they're under a mandate from Congress to deliver mail six days a week in an era where nearly all mail is done electronically by email and text messaging, bills are paid online, etc., yet they still have to keep post offices open and deliver to your damn house every day, by law.  Their employees are not overpaid either.  Anyone who thinks that must be a broke dick with zero education.

The auto companies are facing competition from overseas manufacturers who do not allow US made cars into their markets to 'protect' their domestic auto industry.  Thus, our US auto companies lose market share due to unfair trade practices by those who sell their product in the US for less than they sell them in their own countries, in order to drive our manufacturers out of business.  If you think auto workers are over paid, it either means you are underpaid, or under educated. 

Now, no more of that anti-American crap in cultivation. :nono:
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    #13176813 - 09/10/10 06:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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if anything feel bad that you are stealing from the postal service, which can barely keep its doors open as it is. taking advantage of people is a slippery slope.

also like doc said: subpar filter material.


:thumbup:



Any Idea as to why the United States Postal Service is broke, same reason the BIG auto companies are, there fucking employees are way overpaid and there ran by the government which by the way should not be running any kind of business...




If you're that uneducated, why don't you take that shit to the politics forum where you'll be in good company.  The postal service is NOT ran by the government, but they're under a mandate from Congress to deliver mail six days a week in an era where nearly all mail is done electronically by email and text messaging, bills are paid online, etc., yet they still have to keep post offices open and deliver to your damn house every day, by law.  Their employees are not overpaid either.  Anyone who thinks that must be a broke dick with zero education.

The auto companies are facing competition from overseas manufacturers who do not allow US made cars into their markets to 'protect' their domestic auto industry.  Thus, our US auto companies lose market share due to unfair trade practices by those who sell their product in the US for less than they sell them in their own countries, in order to drive our manufacturers out of business.  If you think auto workers are over paid, it either means you are underpaid, or under educated. 

Now, no more of that anti-American crap in cultivation. :nono:
RR



No for your information I have a little bit of that education and my girlfriend 'who barely made it through high school' works for USPS makes $27.35hr gets to set her own hours and take an ass load of vacation and simply sets at a computer and corrects misspelled addresses. No our auto companies lose their asses because there ran by Unions and don't get me started on them because I have work for an Auto Union for more then 15 years. By the way I'm not Anti-American, I'm anti sleazy fucking business people telling commen people if you talk shit about rich people your un-american...


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    #13176830 - 09/10/10 06:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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    #13176854 - 09/10/10 06:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yawwwwwwwwn

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: SomeGuy]
    #13176866 - 09/10/10 06:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Forget mail envolope tyvek.
As metioned several times above, it is a sub par filter material.

Try going to a painters supply store or tool outlet supplier and look for painters cover all tyvek.
This tyvek is a cloth tyvek and far superior than envpolope tyvek.

You will need to replace the tyvek filter material every 2 times through the PC.
Intense heat from the PC closes the pores of the microtape together.
Adhere tyvek to your lids with micropore tape doubled up.
Using micropore tape to adhere your tyvek to you lids makes it convenient to replace your tyvek every other run through the PC.

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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: hamloaf]
    #13177751 - 09/10/10 09:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Synthetic filter disks are infinitely reusable.  For those of you doing grain jars, I can't recommend them enough.  I have many that are over a decade old with thousands of uses, and still work perfectly.
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Re: priority mail envelopes [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13178024 - 09/10/10 10:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Damnit!

I meant to mention synthetic filter disks in my previous poast.....

This is 100% absolute correct!!!
Synthetic filter disks over tyvek for the win on grain jars.
As mentioned above synthetic filter disks last as long, if not longer, than you do.

Have over 200 hundred quarter sized synthetic filter disks.
No longer have contaminated grain jars due to contaminate mold spores directly landing on the substrate,.
If grains become contaminated at any point, know the culture used (LC) was infected/contaminated.

With agar, I know if the inoculate I'm using is contaminated or not.


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