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Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects?
    #1315100 - 02/17/03 07:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I got some Kratom, and I read its supposed to have properties similar to Opium and Cocaine. Have anyone here tried this Kratom plant and could tell anything about its effects? I was told I should try make an extract of it as that should be rather potent, anyone tried that? I suppose a methanol extraction would do, or maybe even a hot water boildown


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: shaganoz]
    #1315489 - 02/17/03 10:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I have used the extract and it was great

I noticed  more opiate effects than "speedy" effects though

which is GOOD!!!!!!! :grin: 


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1315606 - 02/18/03 12:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

mm sounds nice! :> I just made a morphine hcl extracted from some of my poppies, smoking it was just like smoking H to me


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: shaganoz]
    #1315634 - 02/18/03 12:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

How did you do that?


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: zeta]
    #1315679 - 02/18/03 01:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Like this:

I took 5 dried pods, grinded them up to powder
Put the powder in a pot
Added 2 cups of water
added 1/2 cup vinegar
Heatet it until it started to boil, turned down heat so it simmered for 10 minutes, stirred alot the whole time
Turned off the oven and let the solution steep for 20 minutes
Strained the solution with a strainer into a mug to get rid of plant rests (squeeze all juice out of the plant rests inside a t-short or some cloth)
Filtered the solution through a fine grade filter (something like coffe filter) to get rid of more plant materials/sludge
Added ammonia to the solution until you see a precipitate form in the clear filtered solution, add until it doesnt get cloudier anymore.
Filter through a VERY fine filter, i used one from a "Bubble Bag" set.
The crystalized alkaloids (morphine etc) will be left in the filter as a sludge, pour some clean water over it while in the filter to wash it and get rid of ammonia etc.
Then I poured some naphta over it to convert it into hcl salt (smokeable) and let it dry for a while, scraped off the stuff with a credit card and dried it a bit more before I smoked it.

After you add the ammonia you may heat the solution to boiling point and turn off heat and the alkaloid crystals will coagulate a bit and settle down on bottom. Makes it a bit easier to filter and get rid of liquid and keep the alkaloid crystal sludge.


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: shaganoz]
    #1316583 - 02/18/03 11:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

interesting extraction method......but at the end how does naptha convert to hcl? ammonia is base correct? wouldnt you want to smoke the base anyhow?

just curious :smile:


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: DazedSol]
    #1317055 - 02/18/03 03:31 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well maybe its some other salt I'm not really a chemist, I just use naphta because I happend to have that and not hydrogen chloride or similar. Ammonia turns the alkaloids into freebase just like NaOH. I suppose maybe naphta is turning it back to base and makes it smokeable. Someone with chemist experience who might want to correct me?

Anyway I know that it works, tried and tested hehe. Me and a friend been doing it all night today hehe. It makes more sense for me when I'm sober unlike now ;<


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: shaganoz]
    #1317162 - 02/18/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

>> suppose maybe naphta is turning it back to base and makes it smokeable. Someone with chemist experience who might want to correct me?


Naphtha turns it to nothing.. it's a solvent, it pretty much unreactive with the alkaloids, although there are exceptions.

Edit: i guess i should also add, that the naphtha step was useless in your extraction.. whatever your last phase was - base was it? - i don't have your procedure infront of me, is what it will be left as..


Edited by neuro (02/18/03 04:23 PM)


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Re: Kratom - Opium & Cocaine effects? [Re: shaganoz]
    #1318122 - 02/19/03 03:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Great post SHAGS!!

Your a fuckin freak, but smart an cool keep having fun an be carefull.
My cd is on the way bro, keep postin shit like this good info to all!!!!!! :cool: 


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