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cbuk
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New UK shroomer - cant find peat !!
#13149609 - 09/05/10 07:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi peeps new UK shroomer here
almost bought all my supplies just need peat moss and i cant get any!!! is there something else i can substitute for this? OR is there somewhere online i can buy in reasonably bulk size that deliver to UK?
im following this tutorial for my casing layer http://www.shroomery.org/56/Oss-Oeric-Casing-Mixture
im going to use the double tub fruiting chamber, and wbs spawn bags for colonization
literally got everything except peat moss my garden centre wont get any till next month WTF how annoying!
thanks for any help
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k00laid
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: cbuk]
#13149614 - 09/05/10 07:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i never use a casing layer
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ukshroomer
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: k00laid]
#13149624 - 09/05/10 07:50 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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ya man, i had that problem too. no one sells peat moss in the uk anymore because harvesting it is bad for the environment. appartently when peat moss is taken from the ground it causes erosion and other forest problems. let me know what you eventually case with.
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Doc_T
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: ukshroomer]
#13149629 - 09/05/10 07:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are you casing? What going under the peat?
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: cbuk]
#13149656 - 09/05/10 08:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't using a casing layer.
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ukcb
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: FooMan]
#13150023 - 09/05/10 10:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im following this tut for my fruiting chamber http://www.shroomery.org/9107/Double-Tub-Pictori
it says to cover the colonized substrate with an inch thick casing layer? also would i be right in thinking a casing layer is better for more flushes?
heres my stuff so far minus some oust spray and peat
im using four tubs flipped on each other, there smaller than the ones ive seen most people use but i figured id have less chance of ruining my entire crop if 1 goes fucked
^ will the play sand be ok, couldnt find washed sand lol, it says "washed and graded silica sand" on the packaging
Edited by ukcb (09/05/10 10:20 AM)
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Doc_T
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: Doc_T]
#13150032 - 09/05/10 10:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Depends on what your substrate is- some don't need casing. What are you casing? What's going under the peat?
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ukcb
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: Doc_T]
#13150044 - 09/05/10 10:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Depends on what your substrate is- some don't need casing. What are you casing? What's going under the peat?
wild bird seed in spawn bags, injected with spores. ill then place them inside the bottom of the tubs to take the shape of it and colonize, this should save me having to break the mycelium up
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k00laid
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: ukcb]
#13150101 - 09/05/10 10:30 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i just had to point out the OP was a different account struck me as odd :P
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ukcb
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: k00laid]
#13150119 - 09/05/10 10:36 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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WOW IM RETARDED!!!!! made 2 accounts guys, thought i had forgotten my password... its not "odd" im just stoned
please help anyway
p.s i should probably delete 1 one these accounts..
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Doc_T
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: ukcb]
#13150132 - 09/05/10 10:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, you'll want to case that. (Good plan, btw.) It would be possible to use pure verm if you can't do any better.
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: Doc_T]
#13150228 - 09/05/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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So let me get this right...your going to straight case WBS in a dub tub....no bulk substrate?
Seems like a waste of spawn that could be used to spawn more dub tubs to me.
Also,you're going to inject the WBS bag with spores then open and dumpinto the tub for colonization...I would't open an uncolonized bag of sterilized grains if it hasn't fully colonized...just sounds like asking for trouble.
Let the bag fully colonize,then break apart and spawn to a bulk substrate to spread your spawn as far as you can...
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Edited by Mad_Hatter2004 (09/05/10 11:08 AM)
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ukcb
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13150245 - 09/05/10 11:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: So let me get this right...your going to straight case WBS in a dub tub....no bulk substrate?
Seems like a waste of spawn that could be used to spawn more dub tubs to me.
Also,you're going to inject the WBS bag with spores then open and dumpinto the tub for colonization...I would't open an uncolonized bag of sterilized grains if it hasn't fully colonized...just sounds like asking for trouble.
Let the bag fully colonize,then break apart and spawn to a bulk substrate to spread your spawn as far as you can...
sorry dude i must have not made it clear, im putting the spore injected wbs bags into the tub (still in bag sealed) to colonize.. just wanted the finished colonized sustrate to take the shape of the tub
Edited by ukcb (09/05/10 11:14 AM)
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andymc
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: FooMan]
#13150249 - 09/05/10 11:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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FooMan said: Don't using a casing layer.
...and for species that require one? For those of us in the UK, what do people suggest as the next best thing to peat?
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: ukcb]
#13150269 - 09/05/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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ukcb said:
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: So let me get this right...your going to straight case WBS in a dub tub....no bulk substrate?
Seems like a waste of spawn that could be used to spawn more dub tubs to me.
Also,you're going to inject the WBS bag with spores then open and dumpinto the tub for colonization...I would't open an uncolonized bag of sterilized grains if it hasn't fully colonized...just sounds like asking for trouble.
Let the bag fully colonize,then break apart and spawn to a bulk substrate to spread your spawn as far as you can...
sorry dude i must have not made it clear, im putting the spore injected wbs bags into the tub (still in bag sealed) to colonize.. just wanted the finished colonized sustrate to take the shape of the tub
Okay,gotcha...at first I was like WTF,Noooooooo!
But,are you straight casing the WBS or do you plan on spawning to a bulk substrate in order to get the most out of your spawn?
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13150288 - 09/05/10 11:21 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13150312 - 09/05/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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like Doc T said, I would just go with straight verm. It's easy to get the water content right and it doersn't infect easily.this pan is only 1.5 inches tall. It has 3 cups of wbs and 3 cups of verm. mixed in
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ukcb
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: SomeGuy] 1
#13150465 - 09/05/10 11:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay,gotcha...at first I was like WTF,Noooooooo!
But,are you straight casing the WBS or do you plan on spawning to a bulk substrate in order to get the most out of your spawn?
thanks for the links mate do i want the dry peat then? was going to case the WBS straight up but i see what you mean now (still learning)
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like Doc T said, I would just go with straight verm. It's easy to get the water content right and it doersn't infect easily.this pan is only 1.5 inches tall. It has 3 cups of wbs and 3 cups of verm. mixed in
nice shrooms! i spent quite a few quid on these crushed oyster shells etc so im gonna use them see how it goes, could i mix my colonized WBS with verm like you suggest.. THEN case an inch with my fancy mixture? or is that unnecessary/stupid
Edited by ukcb (09/05/10 11:59 AM)
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: ukcb]
#13150532 - 09/05/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd honestly get either
1) A brick or more of coco coir and some vermiculite for bulk substrate.
2) Field aged and dried horse manure mixed with straw or other additives for a bulk substrate.
For #1 boiling water in a bucket is fine as long as you're using just coir/verm/gypsum.Add additives to it like spent coffee grounds,manure,worm castings (anything that will contaminate easily without proper pasteurization).
#2 would be great but with things like manure,spent coffee grounds,straw,etc. you should properly pasteurize for best results and less chance at contamination.
Here's a link to a post made by LiquidMyce on proper pasteurization... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13024733#13024733
Of course just straight casing WBS will work,but you'll get a lot more if you spread your spawn out and spawn to a bulk substrate.
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Doc_T
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Re: New UK shroomer - cant find peat !! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13150595 - 09/05/10 12:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: you'll get a lot more
You'll get a lot more contams if you add too many steps. Let the guy get a grow under his belt before you try to hassle him into doing more.
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