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Domestic USPS express pack seized?
    #13148919 - 09/04/10 11:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Just recently shipped out an express pack in the US to another US residence that contained a Schedule 2 substance.  Express is supposed to be guaranteed in under 2 days, usually it's 1.

Tracking has not updated in two days despite the USPS operating those days when there was no further tracking movement.  It updated once at a sort facility, then the following day another update at the SAME sort facility occurred.  Also of note, this sort facility is on the other side of the country from where the receiver's residence is located.  What's up with this?  Anyone care to share some first or secondhand stories of similar situations such as this?  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little concerned.  Chances are they can trace it back to me if they really put forth a little effort.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13148996 - 09/05/10 12:08 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

you never mail anything you dont want to lose or have delayed any way but ground.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Naz]
    #13150668 - 09/05/10 12:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

imo, they've just screwed up and put it on the wrong truck. it happens.

probably if they seized it, the tracking number would not have updated at said sort facility.


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: istandalone]
    #13151174 - 09/05/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The two main things that concern me are the fact that tracking didn't even show up for this pack until a few days after it was mailed.  Then I ran into the problem of watching it move through the same sort facility (all the way across the country from the receiver's location) two days in a row and now nothing has updated since.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13151228 - 09/05/10 03:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

nothing will update till after the holiday weekend....tues

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Naz]
    #13151471 - 09/05/10 04:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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nothing will update till after the holiday weekend....tues




Well it's express, and it isn't the first time I've shipped exp before.  I've seen the tracking move countless times on both Saturdays and Sunday nights/mornings.  But I think that's a moot point anyway since everything about this pack is shady as fuck.

Tracking not updating for a few days (express is supposed to take 1-2 days MAX), then when it does update it's all the way across the damn country at another sort facility, and finally it was processed at the same sort facility two days in a row then nada.  Bear in mind this all happened mid-week so the weekend should be no excuse for tracking not showing up.

Nothing I can do at this point but sit, wait, and pray to a god that doesn't exist.  I'll update the thread if/when something changes.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13151504 - 09/05/10 04:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

USPS tracking does not work the way UPS tracking does.
It's not really 'tracking' at all.


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13151707 - 09/05/10 05:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
USPS tracking does not work the way UPS tracking does.
It's not really 'tracking' at all.




For sure man, I am well aware of this, been in the game nearly 10 years now.  Just saying, the updates I'm getting are not consistent with what I've ever seen before in the past, and believe me I've seen everything including packs misrouted to god damn Alaska and back.  I'm just hoping it's another case of postal theft.  Some lucky postal fuck got 200 hits of lucy before it made it to its destination about 2 months back.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13151726 - 09/05/10 05:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Takes a fed magistrate signing a warrant to open a usps pack.... If it smelled funny or opened would be the only case to gain PC to even investigate.
Relax....

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #13151753 - 09/05/10 05:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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boredcertified said:
Takes a fed magistrate signing a warrant to open a usps pack.... If it smelled funny or opened would be the only case to gain PC to even investigate.
Relax....




You're mostly right, but not entirely.  Simply inquiring about a package over the phone was enough to get a curious postal inspector to obtain a search warrant in a case one of my friends is currently going through.  But for the most part you are right and I agree. 

There are always going to be outside circumstances that postal inspectors will happily get a warrant for but 99% of the time as long as it's packed well there should be no problems.  I'd like to think after being in the game so damn long I know how to pack the goods properly. :peace:

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13153438 - 09/05/10 11:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

or they'll just open it and lie.


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: k00laid]
    #13154360 - 09/06/10 09:30 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

^ That too.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13169328 - 09/09/10 08:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

did you get your package?


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: istandalone]
    #13169356 - 09/09/10 08:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'm afraid not.  Last update has been well over a week now at one of the sort facilities, and nothing has showed.  Also have not received a knock on the door yet either so I can only assume one of a few things:

1. It was seized and the qty of product recovered isn't worth their time.

2. It was stolen by either a USPS mail handler or one of the contracted mail handlers (this has happened once in the past, they delivered an empty pack that had been slit wide open with a box cutter and contents removed)

3. They are fully aware of what's going on and are patiently waiting to see if I make any other moves before closing in on me.  (This hasn't happened to me personally but there are -plenty- of cases out there where this has occurred)

I just don't know.  I really don't.  If it isn't one of the above scenarios, I'm clueless.  I have lost a lot of sleep over this but slowly my stress levels are going down, day after day.  I realize just because nothing has happened yet it doesn't mean I am in the clear however.  All I can do is sit and wait.  USPS arrests approximately 1,000 people every year for sending 'products' in the mail.  I hope I don't become a part of that statistic.  At this point if the package is delivered I am positive my guy will refuse delivery so I've written it off as a loss.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13169428 - 09/09/10 09:03 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Another scenario: it fell to that back of a bin and will turn up soon.

If the product is legal, go get it while carrying nothing and having no warrants.


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13169492 - 09/09/10 09:21 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I considered the idea that it may have fallen in between a crack somewhere only to be discovered later, but I just don't see that as likely because it passed through the SAME sort facility two days in a row on the tracking screen.  If it were stuck somewhere where nobody could see it, there's no way it could have ever updated that second day.  I suppose there's the possibility it did get stuck AFTER that second update :lol: but I'm doubting that is what happened.

Also, the pack is most definitely not legal so I am not going to be pursuing this at all.  If it were legal I'd be calling them up and asking what is going on.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13169504 - 09/09/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno. If they were on to you, I think it wouldn't be tracking all goofy like that.
But agreed, not worth pursuing. Still, it may just show up some day, let us know if it does.

In my other life, I send and receive small legal packages worldwide.
Out of nearly 5000 I've been involved with, 2 or three have been delayed for no apparent reason. Once for 3 months.


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13171508 - 09/09/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Hopefully you did not check the tracking from your own internet connection.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13171553 - 09/09/10 05:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

D'oh! :facepalm3:

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13171729 - 09/09/10 05:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I think your presuming too much as to the tracking.  I know other shippers such as UPS list tracking data that is simply speculation, and I would guess USPS does too.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13171777 - 09/09/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Hopefully you did not check the tracking from your own internet connection.




Thankfully, no.  And John, USPS is usually good with express tracking.  Priority "tracking" isn't really tracking at all though.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13172001 - 09/09/10 07:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Right, but that's not what I'm referring to.  UPS puts data on the tracking readout that is made up- just gueses of wear the package should be, not reflecting where it actually is or was

USPS probably does so as well, the scanning and tracking of UPS packages and USPS Express domestic is largely identical, functionally, and so it wouldn't surprise me if they made up data as well

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: johnm214]
    #13172067 - 09/09/10 07:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well that's something I wasn't aware of.  When I see a package pass through multiple sort facilities at different times, I always assumed it was physically at the facility being processed.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: johnm214]
    #13172076 - 09/09/10 07:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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UPS puts data on the tracking readout that is made up- just gueses of wear the package should be, not reflecting where it actually is or was




No, no, no.

UPS scans that barcode every time they touch the box, it's fundamental to their business model.
They might post fake data in a sting, but they won't post faulty data.

(USPS does not do this, they use optical scanning.)


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13172091 - 09/09/10 07:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
Quote:

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UPS puts data on the tracking readout that is made up- just gueses of wear the package should be, not reflecting where it actually is or was




No, no, no.

UPS scans that barcode every time they touch the box, it's fundamental to their business model.
They might post fake data in a sting, but they won't post faulty data.

(USPS does not do this, they use optical scanning.)




Them scanning the box when they touch it doesn't make what I said wrong.  They obviously don't want to touch the box more than neccesary, and they don't want calls from crazy people bitching about their package being lost because it didn't get scanned yeasterday.

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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: johnm214]
    #13172120 - 09/09/10 07:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Again, they won't make things up. They'll tell you that's all they have if they don't know.
UPS knows where the package is because they scan it, it's fundamental to their work.
It's like McD's turning on the fryers.


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Re: Domestic USPS express pack seized? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13175649 - 09/10/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Them knowing where the package is, which they don't anyways- only knowing where it last was and was supposed to go or was likely placed, has nothing to do with whether the information they display is speculative or not.

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The package was sorted at the local hub, got a departure scan, and was put on a plane heading west. My package arrived in Pittsburgh at 9:45 p.m. EDT. Then it was on to the Grand Lake, Ky., hub, where it left at 12:00 a.m. EDT for Oakland, Calif., arriving at 3:35 a.m. PDT... Only now, the package has disappeared.

So what happened to all those scans?...

But it also turns out there are physical scans and what a UPS supervisor called a "logical scan." Once a package is picked up and physically scanned, it is not scanned again until it arrives at its next destination. UPS simply assumes that the package is on the truck on which it is supposed be between the two scans. Now there's a piece of logic that might have a lesson wrapped around it





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