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Prop 19
    #13148544 - 09/04/10 09:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

One problem with propositions on the ballot is that the media acts as if there are only two positions on something.  So, the assumption is that if you support legalization, you support California's upcoming Prop 19.  However, things aren't always so clear.  Sometimes there is a group that supports the idea behind a ballot initiative, but opposes the initiative as being badly written and leading to unintended consequences.  It was recently brought to my attention that there is a pro-legalization group that opposes the upcoming Prop 19 initiative as counterproductive to the legalization cause, and in fairness, I think their grievances should be aired.



Ten Reasons to Vote No

1. Proposition 19 isn’t really legalization. It only allows possession of up to one ounce of cannabis. Under current California law, an ounce or less of pot isn’t an arrestable offense. And soon this amount will be a simple civil infraction. Prop 19 doesn’t make any improvements to decriminalization or prop 215.

2. Prop 19 creates several new cannabis related crimes with extremely severe penalties. Don’t pass a joint to a 17 year old, you will be looking at a max of 7 years in state prison, seriously.

3. Prop 19 is solely designed to allow large scale cannabis production by politically connected corporations. Oakland has already started the process to license a Prop 19 Cartel mega-grow.

4. Most legal experts agree that Prop 19 is poorly written and will leave police and judges to enforce it at their discretion. For example, consuming cannabis would be illegal in the same "space" as a minor. Police and judges are free to interpret the word "space" to mean the same room, house, or entire apartment complex.

5. There is no need to rush into a law that will be difficult to change. There are better full legalization laws, including one set to be on the ballot in 2012.

6. Prop 19 will lead to the walmartization of the cannabis industry. And unfortunately, this will result in lower quality and fixed prices. Limited competition and government control will allow large scale growers to determine prices and dictate quality standards (or lack thereof).

7. Local governments will control the taxation, production, and distribution of cannabis. This is a touchy political issue; most local politicians won’t risk a backlash by allowing dispensaries in their city. This means many people will have to travel long distances or break the law to purchase cannabis.

8. Prop 19 will likely supersede prop 215, adversely affecting medical cannabis users by dictating grow size, possession amount, patient to patient sales, and location of use.

9. Unbiased cannabis activists do NOT support Prop 19. This includes the late Jack Herer and the co-author of prop 215, Dennis Peron (see his video here).

10. The federal government has decided to not prosecute medical cannabis users. This will not be the case if Prop 19 passes. Many people believe that the passage of Prop 19 will bring an aggressive response from the feds, perhaps putting medical users at risk of losing access to medicine.

For the record, I still support Prop 19, particularly for the symbolic importance it will have in energizing the legalization movement elsewhere.  I disagree with many of their bullet points, but I thought it would be useful to post to help Californians make an informed decision this November.  And to balance things out here's the Yes on 19 website.


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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Silversoul]
    #13148613 - 09/04/10 10:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This site is pretty biased, it looks like it was setup by somebody who owns a medical dispensary who's afraid of losing business. He also doesn't list sources for some of his claims.

Even if the law isn't perfect it's a step in the right direction. Medical cannabis got the ball rolling, this is an extra nudge.

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Re: Prop 19 [Re: sirhotalot]
    #13148696 - 09/04/10 10:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I tend to agree.  But I thought the Jack Herer part was interesting.


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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Silversoul]
    #13148832 - 09/04/10 11:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

no its true, in many ways silver quoted, prop 19 is actually a step backward compared to medical marijuana law.

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Re: Prop 19 [Re: danhugsworms]
    #13216838 - 09/19/10 03:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Apologies for the :bump:, but I think this could add some fodder to the debate...


I have seen quite a few people who want to vote no on 19, but I think it's important to realize that a vote for "no" would be a blow to the legalization movement in general, and another bill won't make it onto the ballot for a long, long time.

If you read the bill, you can see that this prop doesn't replace 215, but rather co-exists with it. That means if you have your medical card, you can keep it along with all the provisions it allows.


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