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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineDavid_Scape
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Re: Nihilism [Re: nubious]
    #1321492 - 02/20/03 06:57 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

99% solid? His definition of Myth(the word the article is practically based on) is flawed. I dont know about you but that tells me the structure is weaker than 99%. :grin:

"People getting stabbed 19 times in the chest and living to talk about it,"

Those had to have been flabby stabs...
Any man who knows how to stab makes long deep gashes at the chest and throat. The chest is such a tiny area when it comes to a man throwing a knife or shank in your direction. Even I, a fair modestly controlled individual, whould have nailed the solar plexus a couple of times. Was this man stabed in front of hospital? :tongue: :tongue:   


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Re: Nihilism [Re: Swami]
    #1321508 - 02/20/03 07:02 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Have you read DMT: The Spirit Molecule?


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Re: Nihilism [Re: nubious]
    #1321511 - 02/20/03 07:03 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I can SHOW you how David Blaine "floated"... I used to be seriously into magic tricks when I was in high school (NO, I didn't do shows... just a hobby). Blaine's "floating" stunt is a combination of performance and camera tricks (they showed this on FOX's expose on magicians a few years back).


but how do you explain things that can't be explained?

I don't think you're understanding correctly... you're assuming there is a need to explain the "unexplainable" and/or that there are such things.

Being able to be comfortable with unknowns is a cornerstone of my personal philosophy. It's a terrific stress-reducer... even in dark times. Like last year, my roommate flipped out and tried to kill me and a friend (literally- I'll spare you the details)... though I faced hardships because of the incident (broken this... broken that... money problems... court dates interfering with my schedule...), I was still happy. Sure, there were times that I felt like crap... but those moments were fleeting. As a shroomerite here recently said, "Pain is inevitable, suffering isn't."


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Re: Nihilism [Re: David_Scape]
    #1321516 - 02/20/03 07:06 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

DS: 99% solid? His definition of Myth(the word the article is practically based on) is flawed. I dont know about you but that tells me the structure is weaker than 99%.

He uses modifiers to help compensate for his lack of sufficient terminology.
SECULAR myths
PARANORMAL myths

I thought he got his point across... though I agree, it wasn't perfect.


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Re: Nihilism [Re: Sclorch]
    #1321682 - 02/20/03 08:18 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I guess that many of his examples of secular myths might as well be thought of as such. But his original definition is still flawed, because subjective experience would fall under this category even though it exists. The major portion of his point still stands despite this though...



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Re: Nihilism [Re: Sclorch]
    #1322488 - 02/20/03 01:33 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh great... [/sarcasm]

Now religion is the measuring stick of humanness?




That's my story and I'm sticking to it!  :cool:


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Re: Nihilism [Re: GRTUD]
    #1322695 - 02/20/03 02:50 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

So you're saying that nihilists are less human than priests?


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Re: Nihilism [Re: Sclorch]
    #1323206 - 02/20/03 06:15 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Unexplainable? How's this - a schizophrenic hears voices - the doctor doesn't know why, but they know that there's activity in parts of the brain that aren't really mapped. These voices are so real to the person that they can cause the reality we live in to blend with the one they hear. Medication can make these voices go away.
The following is an excert from this page on schizophrenia...

Hallucinations and illusions are disturbances of perception that are common in people suffering from schizophrenia. Hallucinations are perceptions that occur without connection to an appropriate source. Although hallucinations can occur in any sensory form ? auditory (sound), visual (sight), tactile (touch), gustatory (taste), and olfactory (smell) ? hearing voices that other people do not hear is the most common type of hallucination in schizophrenia. Voices may describe the patient?s activities, carry on a conversation, warn of impending dangers, or even issue orders to the individual. Illusions, on the other hand, occur when a sensory stimulus is present but is incorrectly interpreted by the individual.

Because we know so LITTLE about the brain, we don't know it's full capabilities. Warning of impending danger? It's happened....


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Re: Nihilism [Re: nubious]
    #1323981 - 02/21/03 04:56 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I really don't know what you're trying to argue here...

How about this: you connect the dots for me (nihilism---->schizophrenia) and I'll get back to you when I understand your thesis.


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Re: Nihilism [Re: bert]
    #1327898 - 02/23/03 01:51 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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So you're saying that nihilists are less human than priests?




No not at all. I merely commented on the part of the article that (apparently) sums up the thesis of such beliefs, which stated that there was no observable difference between humanity and the rest of life on this planet. I can't agree based on a very simple observation.


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