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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: ChronicCluster]
#13437979 - 11/05/10 10:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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A little silver lining:
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Meg Whitman Also Lost To Marijuana By Gene Maddaus, Thu., Nov. 4 2010
Everybody knows that Meg Whitman spent $160 million to lose to Jerry Brown. Less noticed is the fact that she also lost to legalized marijuana.
Whitman got 3.1 million votes. Prop. 19 got 3.4 million votes. Conclusive proof: Californians prefer weed to Meg Whitman.
Supporters of legalized marijuana may be disappointed by the outcome, but the measure only failed by a tally of 54-46.
Compare that to the outcome of the 1972 version of Prop. 19, which would have legalized possession and cultivation of marijuana, but not sales. That proposition failed overwhelmingly, 66.5-33.5.
So, the arc of history is long but it bends toward legalization.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Silversoul]
#13438069 - 11/05/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you think having Governor Moonbeam back is a good thing for a state already over the cliff I have one thing to say. Blaze away, dude, blaze away. You might as well go down stoned.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: zappaisgod]
#13438118 - 11/05/10 11:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you think having Governor Moonbeam back is a good thing for a state already over the cliff I have one thing to say. Blaze away, dude, blaze away. You might as well go down stoned.
It was more a point about the popularity of marijuana than about the outcome of the gubernatorial election, but I knew you just couldn't resist the urge to rant about your kooky political opinions.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Silversoul] 1
#13438123 - 11/05/10 11:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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marijuana is the only pertinent political issue
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Silversoul]
#13438209 - 11/05/10 11:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you think having Governor Moonbeam back is a good thing for a state already over the cliff I have one thing to say. Blaze away, dude, blaze away. You might as well go down stoned.
It was more a point about the popularity of marijuana than about the outcome of the gubernatorial election, but I knew you just couldn't resist the urge to rant about your kooky political opinions.
Your point was that electing Moonbeam was a good thing. My point is that that is one of the most ridiculous assertions ever made. You're young enough. Get out now. California is done.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: zappaisgod]
#13438273 - 11/05/10 11:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you think having Governor Moonbeam back is a good thing for a state already over the cliff I have one thing to say. Blaze away, dude, blaze away. You might as well go down stoned.
It was more a point about the popularity of marijuana than about the outcome of the gubernatorial election, but I knew you just couldn't resist the urge to rant about your kooky political opinions.
Your point was that electing Moonbeam was a good thing. My point is that that is one of the most ridiculous assertions ever made. You're young enough. Get out now. California is done.
I got out 4 years ago, but the fact is that "Moonbeam" was governor before, and the world didn't end under his watch. But that's not the point. The point is that in a hotly contested race, the losing candidate came in behind a losing marijuana initiative. If marijuana was running for governor, it would have come in second.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Flop Johnson]
#13438358 - 11/05/10 11:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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MoeRon said: marijuana is the only pertinent political issue
This. Fuck politics, period. Until all parties are scrapped and done away with, you'll continue to get fucked in the ass by whoever takes office.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: SuperD]
#13438374 - 11/05/10 11:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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SuperD said: Until all parties are scrapped and done away with, you'll continue to get fucked in the ass by whoever takes office.
Yes, we need only one party. I'll be the ruler of th...I mean, leader of the party, it will be the dawning of a new era.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: zappaisgod]
#13438387 - 11/05/10 11:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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As long as we keep electing idiots from either of the 2 parties we are going to go down the shitter. Don't pretend like asshole A is any better than asshole B.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: fapjack]
#13438440 - 11/05/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude, jerry brown is WAAYY better than Meg Whitman
Jesus christ look at her
LOOK AT HER! 
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Silversoul]
#13438505 - 11/05/10 12:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you think having Governor Moonbeam back is a good thing for a state already over the cliff I have one thing to say. Blaze away, dude, blaze away. You might as well go down stoned.
It was more a point about the popularity of marijuana than about the outcome of the gubernatorial election, but I knew you just couldn't resist the urge to rant about your kooky political opinions.
Your point was that electing Moonbeam was a good thing. My point is that that is one of the most ridiculous assertions ever made. You're young enough. Get out now. California is done.
I got out 4 years ago, but the fact is that "Moonbeam" was governor before, and the world didn't end under his watch. But that's not the point. The point is that in a hotly contested race, the losing candidate came in behind a losing marijuana initiative. If marijuana was running for governor, it would have come in second.
ORLY? He left a huge deficit for Duekmejian and California, with all its advantages, has not been the same growth engine since.
Not having the world end is not exactly the kind of epitaph one would want on one's political tombstone. "At least he didn't fuck sheep" is no kind of encomium.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Apes]
#13438630 - 11/05/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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A serious question though. If this new prop goes down hard, what are all the no voters on prop 19 gonna say? "Our bad guys we thought this one would pass"?
Or is there gonna be some sick denial where all the nays proclaim that weed is better off illegal than taxed/corporatized/monopolized/ etc etc?
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#13441255 - 11/05/10 10:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not in Cali. I completely understand why some chose to not vote and/or vote down Prop 19 in Cali.
IMO the hate coming out right now is more a reflection of frustration, mainly form people who don't even live in the state, than serious "if I were in the same position" contemplation. If the 2012 Bill is voted down by folks and they give he same reasons I'll eat my hat and join the ranting. Until then its a moot point.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Joe Joe]
#13442300 - 11/06/10 06:30 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I compiled some stats for prop 19, with an added map.
Here is the map:

Here is the percent yes vote by county: Colusa 32% Imperial 32% Kings 33% Tulare 34% Glenn 35% Sutter 35% Fresno 36% Kern 36% Madera 36% Placer 37% Stanislaus 37% Tehama 37% Merced 38% San Joaquin 39% Shasta 39% El Dorado 40% Trinity 40% Yuba 40% Amador 41% Sacramento 41% Butte 42% Modoc 42% Orange 42% Riverside 42% San Bernardino 42% Calaveras 43% Lassen 43% Nevada 43% Inyo 44% Tuolumne 44% Mariposa 45% Plumas 45% Sierra 45% Ventura 45% Siskiyou 46% Solano 46% Humboldt 47% Los Angeles 47% Mendocino 47% San Benito 47% San Diego 47% Santa Clara 48% Contra Costa 49% Lake 49% Napa 49% Yolo 49% Del Norte 49%
Counties where it passed: Monterey 51% San Luis Obispo 51% Santa Barbara 51% San Mateo 52% Alameda 55% Sonoma 55% Mono 57% Alpine 60% Marin 62% San Francisco 64% Santa Cruz 64%
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Green_T]
#13442470 - 11/06/10 08:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Humboldt 47% Mendocino 47% Trinity 40%
How unreal is that? Fucking grower cartels!
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Green_T]
#13442859 - 11/06/10 10:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice work on breaking it down in an easy to read format. Honestly, the Emerald Triangle counties voted much higher than I expected. San Fran, Santa Cruz and others know what's up though. CCHHI better get some damn support from those that didn't think this was a good enough bill. It is STILL going to take EVERYONE out there that plans to vote yes to get to the polls or it will lose just as 19 did.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Green_T]
#13443079 - 11/06/10 11:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Green_T said: I compiled some stats for prop 19, with an added map.
Here is the map:

Thanks for posting that Green_T! I was observing a similar map on the vote.sos.gov website, though not as neatly color coded, which indeed makes it a lot easier to analyze! I love the fact that from Santa Barbara to the Bay the coast was very green. I only wish that extended through the whole coast from Mexico to Oregon! Oh well, I've lived in both Santa Barbara and Santa Cruz during my time in the UC system and know how progressive these communities have become. While I'm on the outskirts of Los Angeles presently, I have a strong drive to move back into the Santa Cruz area before this next decade is through.
While I'm not pleased that Prop 19 didn't pass, I am encouraged by the level of support and discussion it received not only here in California but nationwide. Almost every morning in the weeks prior to the election, National Public Radio was dedicating spots to the Prop 19 debate.
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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: geokills]
#13443601 - 11/06/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback 
I might post another one with counties represented by number of voters. For example, San Fransisco has a huge population. By comparison, Alpine county had a voter turn out of fewer than 700 people!
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Drugs and Politics [Re: Green_T]
#13451028 - 11/07/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Green_T said: I compiled some stats for prop 19, with an added map.
Here is the map:

I did a Pearson correlation between voting patterns during the 2008 presidential election (I did not feel i had the time to seek data for the recent congressional elections) and support for drugs, and found that there is a very strong correlation between support for the Democratic Party and support for regulation and taxation of marijuana. The coefficient of correlation was +0.7058.
This suggests drug legalisation is a partisan issue, but I have always thought the issue is more complicated because highly right-leaning people may well believe that drugs should be legalised, but not taxed or regulated.
The question is whether these two groups who support legalisation of drugs have anything in common or not? In cultural values, I think, they really do not. Those who support taxation of marijuana essentially want it to be recognised as a not-undesirable commodity at worst, whereas the conservatives who might support legalisation without regulation do not in general want the shame from drug use to disappear. Rather, they believe that under an extremely limited government to which entry is restricted (as it was before such reforms as female suffrage) people would think much more towards the long term rather than the short term and would for that reason be much more self-disciplined and able to resist the lure of drugs.
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Re: Drugs and Politics [Re: mianfei]
#13451250 - 11/07/10 10:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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that just means that "yes" votes were more likely to be democrats..but not necessarily the other way around...in fact..dems won big in CA with brown and boxer..but they didnt carry prop19 on their coattails...
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