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 Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!!  [Re: Phred]
#1327834 - 02/23/03 12:48 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course!
Then why do you keep insisting I respond in the manner you have prescribed for me?
I also agree that readers should draw their own conclusions about how others respond
I have no problem with this. I'll respond in my own way. Just as everyone else should. No-one should respond in a manner someone else sees fit.
No you haven't.
Yes i have.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1327940 - 02/23/03 02:46 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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TIME: So, the credible threat of force is necessary to get even minimal compliance from Iraq?
Blix: Just as Kofi Annan says, diplomacy may need to be backed up by force. Inspections may need to be backed up by pressure. Yes. I don't think there would have been any inspection but for outside pressure, including (the buildup of) U.S. forces.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030303-425797,00.html
Huh, what do you know.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1327958 - 02/23/03 03:12 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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my god are you pathetic...
you sound like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum...i'll answer it when i'm good and ready..wahhhh!
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Innvertigo]
#1328023 - 02/23/03 04:03 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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This has given me a great insight into the kind of people who make drugs illegal. You really can't see anything at all wrong with wanting to control my individual right to respond however I want can you?
If i reject your desire to control I am being "childish". Sounds like Daryl Gates discussing drug users.
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The use of pressure and the use of force are two completely different things. Find me a quote from Blix stating that he believes we need to go to war with Iraq to resolve the situation. Good luck by the way.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: GazzBut]
#1328045 - 02/23/03 04:21 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you had any reading comprehension skills at all you'd see I made no such claim.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1328049 - 02/23/03 04:24 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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You really can't see anything at all wrong with wanting to control my individual right to respond however I want can you?
No-one wants to control you. We'd just like to see a direct answer to a group of simple questions rather than watch you weave about like a chicken with its head cut off.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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No-one wants to control you.
Good. Then you'll allow me to respond in my own way and stop whining about it.
Cheers.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1328063 - 02/23/03 04:41 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you'll be seeing those questions for a long time to come.
At least until you're man enough to answer them.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
Edited by luvdemshrooms (02/23/03 04:41 AM)
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: GazzBut]
#1328099 - 02/23/03 05:14 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Find me a quote from Blix stating that he believes we need to go to war with Iraq to resolve the situation. Good luck by the way.
Blix doesn't have the authority or the responsibility to make those assertion. Hell a 3 year-old knows that. The only person that can make that determination is the president backed by congressional approval.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1328103 - 02/23/03 05:17 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex123 writes:
And I'm supposed to trust you I suppose?
Not me, the field workers who actually gathered the data, analyzed it, and wrote the reports.
The UN and UNICEF reports extensively quoted by Halliday show 4000-6000 kids a month dying every month as a result of sanctions.
No they don't. See previous posts.
You hadn't even heard of the 2001 report when i quoted it. Your knowledge is useless.
Actually, Alex, yes I had. I found it at the same time I found the original reports. You still haven't read the 1999 reports, and you obviously haven't read the 2001 reports either.
As you would know if you had bothered to read the reports from either year, (as I did), the 2001 report was nothing more than an extrapolation of the 1999 report -- no new data was added, no new surveys were conducted, no new analyses were run. This is made very clear in the 2001 report, by the way. The complete surveying, data gathering process, analysis and summary reports are done once every five years, as the reports themselves are careful to state. This is why the 1999 reports I quoted refer to previously gathered data only from the 1994 reports and the 1989 reports -- note the 5 year intervals.
If you don't believe me, check it out yourself. It's all there in black and white in the UNICEF section of the UN website. While you are there, you might want to actually read the reports.
Unfortunately both UNICEF and UN experts say they're are 4000-6000 kids dying every month thanks to sanctions.
Incorrect. See above.
Tell me something, why do you think he resigned in disgust at the genocidal sanctions and said 6000 kids were dying every month?
Tell me something (take note of changes):
1) Do you agree with the UN decision to expel the Iraqi occupation army from Kuwait by force in 1991?
Yes _______
No ________
I choose not to answer this question because it is nonsensical ________
Additional comments ____________________________________
2) Do you agree with their decision to leave Hussein in power in 1991 rather than eliminating him when they had the chance?
Yes _______
No ________
I choose not to answer this question because it is nonsensical ________
Additional comments ____________________________________
3) If Hussein continues to ignore the terms of the 1991 surrender agreement should the UN continue to do nothing more than file more condemnatory resolutions?
Yes _______
No________
I choose not to answer this question because it is nonsensical ________
3 a) If you answered "no", what other actions should the UN take instead of or in addition to filing more resolutions?
i) _____________________________
ii) ____________________________
iii)____________________________
4) If the UN supports this proposed military action the way they supported the Gulf War, would you still oppose military intervention in Iraq?
Yes________
No_________
I choose not to answer this question because it is nonsensical ________
Additional comments ____________________________________
5) Rank the following possibilities to the resolution of the Iraq situation from best option (1) to second best (2), to third best (3), etc. Feel free to add as many more options of your own as you wish, including them (of course) in the ranking.
( ) -- Hussein resigns voluntarily, free democratic elections in Iraq are held.
( ) -- Hussein is overthrown (or assassinated) by internal Iraqi agents, free elections in Iraq are held.
( ) -- Hussein fulfills all the terms of the 1991 surrender agreement, and continues as Ultimate Leader of Iraq.
( ) -- Hussein is captured (or assassinated) by a "SWAT team" of agents of a foreign power, free elections in Iraq are held.
( ) -- Hussein is captured or killed by a UN-backed military invasion of Iraq, free elections in Iraq are held.
( ) -- Hussein is captured or killed by a military invasion of Iraq that has no UN approval, free elections in Iraq are held.
( ) -- The UN lifts all sanctions, and arranges loans large enough to rebuild Iraq on the condition that Iraq fulfills all the terms of the 1991 surrender agreement, with the additional proviso that Hussein resign and free democratic elections in Iraq are held.
( ) -- The UN lifts all sanctions, and arranges loans large enough to rebuild Iraq on the condition that Iraq fulfills all the terms of the 1991 surrender agreement, Hussein remains in power.
( ) -- The UN lifts all sanctions, and arranges loans large enough to rebuild Iraq, Hussein remains in power. (kudos to Gazzbut for suggesting this option)
( ) -- The UN lifts all sanctions, imposes a stronger inspection regime, and investigates other countries known to possess WMD and violate human rights. Hussein remains in power. (kudos to Gazzbut for suggesting this option)
( ) -- The UN lifts all sanctions, and no one takes any further action apart from filing resolutions condemning Iraq, Hussein remains in power.
( ) -- Alex123 proposal A
( ) -- Alex123 proposal B
( ) -- Alex123 proposal C
( ) -- I choose not to rank the above because they are nonsensical, and I won't provide any options of my own.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1328104 - 02/23/03 05:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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This has given me a great insight into the kind of people who make drugs illegal
I'm in favor of legalizing drugs. You really need to work on that reading comprehension thing everybody is talking about.
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You really can't see anything at all wrong with wanting to control my individual right to respond however I want can you?
You're a self proclaimed socialist, i didn't know that you even cared about individual anything. Either way that is neither here nor there because the issue is that you're on a message board and you ask questions but refuse to answer them. You have all the right in the world to not answer but i also have all the right to call you on it. You're really a sad case.
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If i reject your desire to control I am being "childish".
no you're childish because you act like it.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1328750 - 02/23/03 11:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex, fine. Respond however you want.
BUT...
If you are going to use FACTS when making an argument, any argument, be 100% prepared to cite sources for these facts. If someone asks you to cite sources for a fact, and you are unable to produce credible sources, then you MUST, and I repeat MUST concede, and admit that the information you provided is VERY LIKELY FALSE.
Understand?
If you refuse to aknowledge a request for sources, then it should be assumed that you are a LIAR. Got it?
You CANNOT make up information. It makes you look like a FOOL.
Understand?
I agree with you on a lot of issues, as you know, I still, at this point in time, see you as a FOOL, who MAKES UP INFORMATION.
Why do I think this? You constantly post "information" that has no apparent basis whatsoever, and when you're asked to back it up, you refuse!
Please, you're becoming the laughing stock of these forums. Unless you make some sort of attempt to debate using genuine information, your reputation will degenerate completely.
You have to potential to be a powerful debater, but right now your tactics are completely ridiculous.
I am not trying to attack you. I am trying to save you from further embarassment.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Phluck]
#1329514 - 02/23/03 05:44 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex, fine. Respond however you want.
Thanks, I will.
be 100% prepared to cite sources for these facts
I have. Many times. His name is Denis Halliday, he used to run the oil for food programme in Iraq before resigning in disgust at the genocidal sanctions that were killing at least 4-6000 kids a month. He has quoted UN reports stating this many times.
You CANNOT make up information
Dennis Halliday.
Please, you're becoming the laughing stock of these forums
Oh please. A few George Bush fanatics don't like me. That shows I'm doing something right.
You have to potential to be a powerful debater
Quit patronising. You work on your potential to make a reasonable point rather than indulge your dislike of me.
What is your opinion of Dennis Halliday for example?
I am not trying to attack you
To be honest I couldn't care less if you were. I'm more interested in facts than some right-wingers opinions of me.
I am trying to save you from further embarassment
Have you got anything to say about Denis Halliday or not? Or are you just another upset right winger?
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Phred]
#1329524 - 02/23/03 05:48 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not me, the field workers who actually gathered the data, analyzed it, and wrote the reports
The same reports Halliday uses to show 4000-6000 kids are dying a month. A figure he considers conservative. There really is no getting round this pink.
No they don't. See previous posts.
Yes they do. Do you think Halliday is lying?
Actually, Alex, yes I had
No you hadn't. You said Halliday won't have made his comment about 6000 kids dying every month after 1998. You "challenged" me to find him saying it after 1998. I provided you with a quote from 2001 using UN reports from 2001. Instead of accepting this you changed your mind to say Halliday was a "liar"
Tell me something, why do you think he resigned in disgust at the genocidal sanctions and said 6000 kids were dying every month?
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Innvertigo]
#1329550 - 02/23/03 05:59 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm in favor of legalizing drugs.
Surprising. You want to control other peoples behaviour. Are you just in favour of drugs being legalised on a purely selfish basis? Nothing to do with everyone having the right to individual freedom?
You're a self proclaimed socialist
No I'm not.
i didn't know that you even cared about individual anything
And George Bush fanatics are interested in individual freedom?
You're really a sad case.
Is this all right-wingers can do? Throw insults around like little kids when they don't get their own way? It's like debating with 4 year olds. Try and up the quality of debate, you're boring the arse off me.
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 Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1329566 - 02/23/03 06:05 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex, if there's one thing I hate more than a stupid conservative, it's a stupid liberal. You've shown yourself to have no logic whatsoever, and you make judgements about people without any basis in reality. You make me sick.
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Phred]
#1329728 - 02/23/03 07:11 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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PEOPLE PEOPLE!!!!!
lets all keep in mind the states put saddam in power and they have a history of putting people like him in power ............
that being said the US itslef is corrupt and NOTHING !!!!
I repeat NOTHING !!!! will change till we , as people
ALL AROUND the world change our governments and STOP things like Free Trade
we DONT have soveirgn nations ANYMORE!!!www.corpwatch.org
We must take power back to the masses were it belongs not in the hads of corporations!! 
check this out!!!!!
So internationally, "the war on drugs" provides a cover for intervention. Domestically, it has little to do with drugs but a lot to do with distracting the population, increasing repression in the inner cities, and building support for the attack on civil liberties.
- noam chomsky!!!
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Re: Bomb Saddam! Free Iraq!! [Re: Xlea321]
#1330060 - 02/23/03 10:55 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Surprising. You want to control other peoples behaviour
sigh...ok alex i challenge you to point out when and where i ever want to control someone's behavior. Mind you this is a message board and without point-counterpoint there's no point.
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No I'm not.
sure you aren't
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And George Bush fanatics are interested in individual freedom?
classic libbie deflection. If you don't want to answer a question you go into a Bush hatred spree....typical.
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Is this all right-wingers can do?
apparantly you're doing it to yourself and i say keep it up  .
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It's like debating with 4 year olds
I know the feeling
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We must take power back to the masses were it belongs not in the hads of corporations!!
so what do you intend to do up there in Canada land about the state of the world. I'm waiting with bells on for your solution.
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