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Extracting smokeable stuff from dried opium poppies
    #1311275 - 02/16/03 09:21 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ok here is what a friend of mine told me, whom I lost contact with so I can't ask him more questions etc. Its a bit messy but maybe you get the point. Also if anyone with experience got reccommandations to this method etc please share it, and if anyone would make this into an easy to understand step-by-step method that would be very nice. Here we go;

" have u personal experience with extracting smokeable opium from dried poppies?"

"yes..... i was working on a process when i left
I'm thinking about the whole plants, roots also, heard they contain high morphine content
improving it
yeah, I met this guy right before I left who was making ounces of alkaloid xtract
used a cold ch3OH (metanol) xtraction w/ blender
then he added water to the green filtered juice
to precipitate unwanted stuff
filtered again....
may have stopped there... not sure
I got a pretty good method without methanol
just before I left...or developed it
Well... I'd probably try two ways... cuz i'm not sure yet which is best
but I'll describe my personal discoveries
first put the wet plants in the freezer
take them out the next day
dry them to crunchyness
(freeze - thaw broke up plant tissues for you)
then figure out how to get them ground up pretty fine....
I was using an electric coffe grinder for small amts...
but the freeze thaw means everthing comes out in room temp acidic h2o vey easily
so you might not have to grind them too much
soak.... 20 minutes or so...
In water with say 1/4 valume vinegar... or just go to ph 3 or 4 ... if you've got paper
then... filter the liquid...
(taste your filtered plant material (chew it) to see if you can detect the alkaloid taste present in the un extracted
(do the cold tea at least twice ...
now...
here's the neat part
Add ammonia (cleaning ammonia) or NaOH diluted a bit...
untill you see a precipitate form in your clear filtered solution...
yay! pure alkaloids
you just gotta figure out how to get them out... they are freebases now...
seems best to convert them back to the hcl salt after you have filterd them out
smoking freebase morphine etc...doesn't seem to work that well...
I found that it was so fine it went thru my coffee filters
I don't much like smoking raw opium...but have you heard about the cooked opium process..
its not raw opium that would be left in filtered solution mentioned above when evaporated
if you skip the ammonia and hcl step
But, if you have the latex black stuff..... you kinda get something similar...
but the plant has like...chlorophyll and stuff...that came out during the tea process that aint fun to smoke
If I remember you kinda get a black oil... but there's no latex in it
as that is insoluble
just other junk
which you don't get in raw opium...
but.... I was doing so many variations... not sure if i ever tried just drying it out before the precipitastion
collecting the dried opium from sliced pods is the only way to get raw opium yes... but if you do my precipitation you get something better...
pretty much a pure crystalyzed alkaloid mixture
compared to raw or cooked opium its far better for your lungs
have you had the cooked?
it's perhaps the same to 2X the strength
raw is like 1/4 the strength of cooked
cooked is really good....almost like smoking H
I think I told you my most recent understandings...
when you basify you want to add use enough...
that it doesn't seem to be getting cloudier anymore...
otherwise you'll leave good stuff in the sol'n
I found that if you heated it to near boiling next
the precip coagulated a bit... and would settle to the bottom
so I could draw off the liquid at the top
and wash it with basic water....wait settle...
good chem grade precipitate collecting filter papers might all
allow
you to avoid that tho
try to use low volume of liquid to extract the plants...
you want as concentrated a solution as possible
without having to boil it down... opiate HCl salts are _extremely- soluble in H2o
like 1gram per 2 ml or something ourageous like that
anyway.... that gives you some basis to xperiment on...
if you discover better things tell me.... and the methanol...
It still might be the way to go...but you get all these irritating lipids...and the latex dissolves...
maybe extracting with it... allowing easy evaporation
to near dryness...then acidified water... might dissolve mostly good stuff."
Thats it, enjoy!


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Re: Extracting smokeable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: shaganoz]
    #1311428 - 02/16/03 10:41 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Cool discription shags!!
Wish i knew about all that , but it seems like envolving alot of chems to extract?
Then smoke'm to,HMMMM? why is tea or smoke not that good? hope its not to bad been trying to just try latex for the first time? thanks for the info though!! :blush: 


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Re: Extracting smokeable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: bluelou]
    #1311465 - 02/16/03 10:56 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well the whole point of this method is to get smokeable stuff from poppies that are allready dried so no latex can be gathered. Also its supposed to be nice and potent, like 1-2x more potent then cooked opium (smoking opium). Probably its possible to go even further and get something injectable for those who prefere that. Like the russian compote/kompot/chernaya thing I've heard of wich is some kind of "heroin" made from dried poppy pods at home in peoples kitchen.

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Re: Extracting smokeable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: shaganoz]
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Re: Extracting smokeable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: Gumby]
    #1311548 - 02/16/03 11:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah thanks thats a nice one. Unfortuanly pod putty isnt smokeable though, and far from injectable. But it sure is nice. :> Hm what do they use to grind up their pods into that fine powder, I'm never able to that only get small lumps crushed.


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Re: Extracting smokeable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: shaganoz]
    #1311551 - 02/16/03 11:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Probably a coffee bean grinder


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Re: Extracting smokable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: shaganoz]
    #8697734 - 07/29/08 04:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, first of all, a big hello, I'm new to this forum. I'm amazed how many good information I found here.

This subject it's very interesting: dry pods and smokable stuff.

It would be great if someone could resume the procedures, the informations are very interesting.

I'm bit confused (and also English is not my language), so I cannot get all the points of the process.

regards


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Re: Extracting smokable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: oxar]
    #8698012 - 07/29/08 05:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Extracting smokable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #8701063 - 07/30/08 08:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Extracting smokable stuff from dried opium poppies [Re: oxar]
    #8701091 - 07/30/08 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yes i do have a problem with n00b posters who don't know how to read the forum rules or a simple message.

remember seeing this before you bought this thread back from the dead:

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???????

well you have fuck all to contribute to this thread apart from a load of n00by questions which could easily be answered with a simple search, so learn to use the search function and stop clogging up the garden with old irrelevant threads, duh.

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