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PF-tek Potency
    #13101609 - 08/25/10 06:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A friend of mine was curious to see if there was any way of increasing the potency of his crop from PF cake's besides the Tryptamine HCL method. He has mastered the PF-tek but is uncertain if he can maintain a sterile enough environment for grain/case method. He is also unsatisfied with potency of his fruits. Any suggestions for him?

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13101629 - 08/25/10 06:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, get a decent strain or learn cloning and isolation techniques. With multispore inoculation, each shroom can vary greatly in potency (depending on the substrain) even in each flush. BRF isn't the source of the problem.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: afrosheen]
    #13101639 - 08/25/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, and what strain do you prefer? I usually go with cambodian

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13101658 - 08/25/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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He is also unsatisfied with potency of his fruits. Any suggestions for him?




Eat moar.
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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Doc_T]
    #13101673 - 08/25/10 06:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Although I have not tried this particular strain, it would seem that the general consensus around here is that penis envy is generally more potent than most other cubes. I think that there was even a survey on this question.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: pslyke]
    #13101677 - 08/25/10 06:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I've hear that penis envy is too large for the pf tek, makes the cakes tip over and stuff, is that true?

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13101683 - 08/25/10 06:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

My wife tells me "don't worry, penises come in all sizes" :blush:


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: pslyke]
    #13101686 - 08/25/10 06:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Haha i get that too

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13101735 - 08/25/10 06:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

All I do is brf cakes and I havnt been disapointed in potency yet.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13101790 - 08/25/10 06:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The fact that they were grown out Psilocybe Fanaticus style has absolutely nothing to do with potency...Period.

It's genetics....if you want consistent crops of potent mushrooms then you need to get into agar work and try and isolate some strains/monocultures and test each isolate out with a full test grow to find which isolated strain (if any at all) meet your requirements...

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/41777.html?1067230771


When you work with multi-spore it a total crapshoot and you never know what mother nature is going to give you,each cake it self is a different sub-strain or made up of various sub-strains.When you're ordering a spore syringe or a spore print from a vendor,or you get one from a kind shroomery member in the marketplace,don;t think of it as a strain,think fot it as a race or variety,like; Psilocybe Cubensis,Golden Teacher var. or race.

Psilocybe Cubensis is the species,Golden Teacher is the race or variety.

A true strain is when two compatible individual spores mycelium meet and mate to become dikaryotic mycelium....

You can read more about it in the beginning of the Strain/Race/Variety thread...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10560039/fpart/1

or to read just about that particular subject..
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10626970


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: pslyke]
    #13101824 - 08/25/10 06:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

From what I've seen, cubes that grow fast and huge are weak. Cubes, like Penis Envy, that take forever to grow and fruit fairly small (but stout) tend to be potent.

Not like this is a rule of thumb or anything, but somehow to me it makes sense. Chemistry takes time.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: afrosheen]
    #13101902 - 08/25/10 07:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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From what I've seen, cubes that grow fast and huge are weak. Cubes, like Penis Envy, that take forever to grow and fruit fairly small (but stout) tend to be potent.

Not like this is a rule of thumb or anything, but somehow to me it makes sense. Chemistry takes time.






I've grow plenty of SA,Amazon,etc  that put out massive fruits that were damn potent....matter of fact the Amazon variety I grew for a while was the most potent cubes I had ever had the pleasure (and mispleasure) of eating.

You can have cubes that grow fast and are potent,and cubes that grow slow that not as potent and vice versa.Potency pretty much is different from shroom to shroom so they say anyways and I believe this.Many times I have given friends the same dose or larger then mine and they hardly felt anything at all...results varied amongst the friends that ate them.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #13101916 - 08/25/10 07:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That's why I included my disclaimer. I'm no expert on the matter, just positing a theory and giving my opinion.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: afrosheen]
    #13101936 - 08/25/10 07:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I noticed the disclamier...just posting my experience with some varieties/races that are known for producing large fruits that colonize/grow fast,at least IME.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: afrosheen]
    #13101942 - 08/25/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the info guys, i still got alot to learn haha. I'm glad you cleard that up Mad_hatter, one of my friends told me that i would never get potent shrooms from the PF tek, apparently he's full of shit haha

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13102017 - 08/25/10 07:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I've hear that penis envy is too large for the pf tek, makes the cakes tip over and stuff, is that true?





PE can do just fine on BRF cakes.
And as you can see these were highly neglected/abused and still did great


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Apes]
    #13102047 - 08/25/10 07:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Those look great, seem to have held up well enough...how'd the potency turn out?

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13102168 - 08/25/10 07:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why do you care about potency when your friend is growing them? Eat more.

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13102270 - 08/25/10 08:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I tend to agree, that a cube is a cube, except for Penis Envy..

Better than usual, but on par w/ other PE that I've experienced.
2oz first flush also.

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13102315 - 08/25/10 08:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Just switch up strains.
Creepers grown on rice were more than enough potent for me.

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Apes]
    #13102331 - 08/25/10 08:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The first grow I did was on BRF with Ecuador, and a lot of people who tried my fruits had never had such nice mushrooms... So that's my 2 cents.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #13102361 - 08/25/10 08:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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The fact that they were grown out Psilocybe Fanaticus style has absolutely nothing to do with potency...Period.

It's genetics....




It's like you've got a syringe full of Germans. You want to isolate, on agar, the strongest, purest Germans you can find. OK OK BAD EXAMPLE... :wink:


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: FalseMaria]
    #13102370 - 08/25/10 08:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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The fact that they were grown out Psilocybe Fanaticus style has absolutely nothing to do with potency...Period.

It's genetics....




It's like you've got a syringe full of Germans. You want to isolate, on agar, the strongest, purest Germans you can find. OK OK BAD EXAMPLE... :wink:




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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13102536 - 08/25/10 08:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Those look great, seem to have held up well enough...how'd the potency turn out?




if 4 grams doesnt do it for you. eat 8.

why you cryin about potency you should be getting them for basically free.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: k00laid]
    #13102621 - 08/25/10 09:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Zauberpilz-25 said:
Those look great, seem to have held up well enough...how'd the potency turn out?




if 4 grams doesnt do it for you. eat 8.

why you cryin about potency you should be getting them for basically free.




:highfive:

Like Koolaid said,if the dose you take doesn't work,eat more...but if your serious about potency,try growing another species other then Psilocybe Cubensis.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13102702 - 08/25/10 09:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If your friend is comfortable with the standard PF TEK he/she could try a different species.
Panaeolus Cyanescens can be grown on modified PF TEK cakes with manure added to the substrate; minus the recipe the procedure is nearly the same but the potency is greatly increased.
Instructions and recipes can be found in the "Grow" section of this site.
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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: kokomoman]
    #13103018 - 08/25/10 10:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I like the German metaphor you used False maria,those are terms i can understand haha, and thanks kokomoman, I've been considering Panaeolus cyans, they have an added alkaloid too don't they?

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13103380 - 08/25/10 11:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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A friend of mine was curious to see if there was any way of increasing the potency of his crop from PF cake's besides the Tryptamine HCL method.




Tryptamine has not been shown to increase potency after hundreds of attempts to duplicate Gartz' results.  If it can't be duplicated, then it's not a valid procedure.  Cubensis will have up to a 10X variation in potency from mushroom to mushroom on the same substrate, so that's probably what Gartz was seeing, not any difference caused by tryptamine.

PF cakes will grow mushrooms with the same potency as any other substrate.
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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13103475 - 08/26/10 12:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

To my knowledge they do not have anything that psilocybe cubensis does not, just more of it. I might be wrong though.


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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: FalseMaria]
    #13103630 - 08/26/10 12:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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It's like you've got a syringe full of Germans. You want to isolate, on agar, the strongest, purest Germans you can find. OK OK BAD EXAMPLE... :wink:




LMFAO - they'd better be blue eyed blondes though and call 'em Hans un Helga

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: ruckusman]
    #13103702 - 08/26/10 01:05 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yea sounds like the like the shroom lore got on top of me, thanks RR

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13103726 - 08/26/10 01:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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To my knowledge they do not have anything that psilocybe cubensis does not, just more of it. I might be wrong though




According to this  page on wikipedia, "Several members of this genus [Panaeolus] are known to contain psilocin and psilocybin and it is suspected that a number of other members of this genus contain unidentified psychoactive compounds. [2] All members of this genus contain serotonin, urea, and tryptophan."

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Re: PF-tek Potency [Re: Zauberpilz-25]
    #13103780 - 08/26/10 01:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i personally would not trust wikipedia for mycological information.


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