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anti cancer plants mass proliferation project
    #13100928 - 08/25/10 03:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

how about a project on mass proliferation of medicinal and anticancer plants?



strong anticancer herbs

dosage of these hebs should be carefully selected.

link on the name of the plant redirects to google search.

toxin-attack toxin herbs: shan ci gu, ya dan zi, lang du, nao sha, lu feng fang, wu gong, bi hu, ban mao, chan su, pi shi.

crack blood stasis and soften hardness herbs: e zhu, san leng, shui zhi, ban xia, tian nan xing, qing dai.



Nontoxic Anticancer Herbs

Dosage of this category herbs can be increased.

Often use Bai Hua She She Cao, Bai Jiang Cao, Xian He Cao, Zhong Jie Feng, Zao Xiu,
Ban Bian Lian, Ban Zhi Lian, Sheng Yi Yi Ren, Teng Li Gen, Tian Men Dong, and He Tao Shu
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Selection of Herbs According to Herbal Functions

Often choose

• Clear heat and anticancer herbs: Bai Hua She She Cao, Zao Xiu, Bai Jiang Cao, and She Mei.
• Transform stasis and anticancer herbs: Shi Jian Chuan, Tie Shu Ye, Long Kui, and E Zhu.
• Anti-inflammatory and anticancer herbs: Shan Ci Gu, Ban Xia, and Tian Nan Xing.
• Regulate Qi and anticancer herbs: Ba Yue Zha.
• Support Zheng Qi and anticancer herbs: Sheng Yi Yi Ren, Tian Men Dong, and He Tao Shu Zhi.





CORONARY HEART DISEASE

In this condition, atheromas build up on the wall of coronary arteries, which leads to narrowing
of arteries, obstructing blood flow, and decreasing the blood and oxygen supply to the heart muscle.
TCM treatments are more effective in treating Latent Coronary Heart Disease which is also called
Asymptomatic Coronary Heart Disease. Treatment should be implemented when there are signs of
blood stasis, phlegm obstruction, Qi stagnation, or cold congealed at the heart. Other symptoms
may include fat constitution, hyperlipidemia, preference for fatty, greasy food, and lack of exercise.
Early implementation of herbal treatments can prevent angina pectoris or myocardial infarction.
Some specialists in this area found herbs that nourish blood, and Yin, invigorate blood and expel
phlegm can lower blood lipids and elevate HDL. These include He Shou Wu, Shan Zha, Ling Zhi,
Du Zhong, Sang Ji Sheng, Huang Jing, Gua Lou Pi, Cao Jue Ming, Ze Xie, Hei Zhi Ma, Ge Gen,
Di Gu Pi, Hong Hua, Ci Wu Jia, Yu Jin, San Qi, Da Suan, Dan Shen, Hu Zhang, Mo Yao, Da
Huang, Sang Shen, and Dong Chong Xia Cao. Other invigorating blood and nourishing Yin herbs
can lower the viscosity of the blood, such as Shan Zhu Yu, Sheng Di Huang, Sang Shen, Gou Qi
Zi, Mai Men Dong, Wu Wei Zi, Dan Shen, Hong Hua, Shui Zhi, Chi Shao Yao, He Shou Wu, Nu
Zhen Zi, Han Lian Cao, Yi Mu Cao, Gui Ban, and Xuan Shen.


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Re: anti cancer plants mass proliferation project [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #13101112 - 08/25/10 04:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)


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    #13101263 - 08/25/10 04:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have a more defined plan in mind?
Seed trades? submissions to the seed bank? collaboration on effects of different species or who maintains what plants? I'd point out some species of interest in the seed bank but the mods might get their panties in a bunch :tongue:

In my experience people wont grow them even if the seed is free.. that is, until they have cancer and its too late to start growing many species.

My latest creation is a mix of 1 part powdered burdock root, 3 parts powdered shiitake, 3 parts peanut butter, mixed well, and enough canola oil to turn the resultant powder into something resembling peanut butter.
Shiitake helps the immune system combat the cancer, burdock (over repeated usage) improves the mobility of immune cells, canola oil improves physical characteristics and supplies essential fatty acids to help in the endogenous biosynthesis of inflammatory regulatory hormones.
I think I'll add some vitamin D to the next batch for the improved activation of immune cells.
Surprisingly it actually tastes pretty good, almost like peanut butter.


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    #13101681 - 08/25/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds good Auxin, and particularly healthy as well.  It seems like often times the health-promoting plants (or anti-cancer plants if you think of it that way) already grow close to us but the knowledge of their use isn't contained within our culture.

I think even knowing how to properly prepare meals is as important a step as knowing and using medicinal plants.  Many times when reading about plants I learn about why people use certain plants together or prepare them a special way.  Many food and beverage recipes that have lasted the test of time have meaning and history behind them.  I am continually learning about how to prepare better meals for myself but I believe that for me, eating well and getting exercise fixes most of my problems - physical and emotional.  I would consider most normal American diets to be lacking in consideration for health or balance, and think it should be the first thing to address when trying to be healthy, the second thing being exercise, and the last being medicine.

Some people even argue that the Native Americans benefited from eating what was in season and that these foods conferred onto them seasonal resistances and appropriate medicinal effects.

The tea plant (Camellia sinensis), is an example of a beverage that has additional medicinal benefits besides its normal intended use and can be a good part of a healthy diet. Tea has a rich history and wide range of uses.  Its most obvious use is for its caffeine as a stimulant but it also possesses many medicinal qualities.  The tea plant is said to have antibacterial and anti-cancer qualities as well as aiding in blood pressure normalization.  It also can prevent coronary heart diseases, prevent dental cavities, and contains antioxidants.  Around the 7th-9th century AD some Chinese tribes survived with tea as their only source of vitamin C. Of course there are many ways to harvest/process/prepare tea and studies have shown various results for and against the various medicinal claims made of tea (which would make a far longer list than presented here), but there is little doubt in my mind that it is indeed very good for health .


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    #13101947 - 08/25/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I agree- a sedentary lifestyle with poor health and no medicine beyond allopathic medicine given when sick is extremely unhealthy.. and the default in western culture. It probably accounts for the top several leading causes of death.
I'm not really sure which is more important, diet or exercise. It seems a lot of people can eat healthy but never get outside and they die at 65 of heart disease or cancer or something. Its proven walking improves the immune system, et al.
This year I started my first ever exercise routine :lol: I figure starting at 30 isnt too horrible.

Not only is green tea (without sugar) apparently healthy.. its farking cheap! Brewing it in an espresso maker improves the number of cups you can get from it (second cups the strongest) as well as allowing you to use loose leaf tea which is a fraction the cost of bag tea. Just yesterday I bought a can that will supply my beverage needs for the rest of the year and it was $3.50. For you soda drinkers do the math on the cost of 4 months of soda :tongue:


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    #13102002 - 08/25/10 07:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:hairmetal: I have been on a tea binge hehe.  Not really overdoing it but this summer I have amassed a decent selection/collection for myself :smile:  Asides from the herbs from the garden I have some nice oolong, genmaicha (toasted brown rice + popped sorghum + green tea), silver needles white tea (young tea plant tips harvested in March and prepared a certain way...very lightly caffeinated), masala chai tea, mate, Echinacea/cold fighting tea, chamomile, a "dreamtime" mix (chamomile, catnip, lavender, oatstraw and mugwort), a "nutritonic" mix (oatstraw, nettle, horsetail, alfalfa, passionflower, lemon balm and peppermint), and "happiness" mix (lemon balm, St. John's wort, passionflower, damiana, peppermint, skullcap and mugwort).

Most of these will last for more than one brewing through and some like the oolong are actually better several brews in.  Been using some standard green tea packets for making kombucha and combine ready-made kombucha with tea made from a mix of berries for a very yummy, healthy drink.

I've also heard that exercise is the best way to stave away depression - something I find to be very true for myself.


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Re: anti cancer plants mass proliferation project [Re: PoC]
    #13104083 - 08/26/10 05:54 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

the aim of the project is make anti cancer plants easily available, and growing in every house if possible. that don't means these plants could be easily used  and aren't magic medicine; most are enough toxic for cause health problems if are overdosed, and at least 4 or 5 plants are used in association in each remedy. but, at least, is a good first step in help others -and oneself, if the case- and some day these difficult to find plants will be available.

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    #13104122 - 08/26/10 06:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

in these days i'll make public a list of the anti cancer plants used in chinese medicine.

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    #13104125 - 08/26/10 06:24 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of the plants/mushrooms we sell are anti cancer and much more. We find that if we want proliferation:
1) Have a source where those who are willing to participate can get a start - even if they are broke
2) Have a written procedure for all phases and a workshop for those who wish/will/can attend
3) Give an incentive to those that do attend because any kind of personal gathering or group discussion is a great place to update your growers and only have to cover things "one time".
4) Establish clean food standards so your growers are aware that one "doesn't grow tomatos by the shi*house" or on the run-off side of the highway.
5) Create and facilitate market/distribution. Whether they are selling them, donating or both, establish an identifiable tag that assures knowledgeable growers and quality foods. You don't have to be perfectly organic for everyone but a quality standard and label that assures it are vital.
6) Join groups like health freedom alliance, botanical swap project, other-entity information and networking resources that keep you current with industry issues or even church law depending on what you are doing and how - you can't run a wellness co-op like an herb store and vice versa....

OK! Know it sounds like planting some burdock and it is that simple...it's just all the rest you put in place - and I am styling this like a hobby/co-op/club thing.
Going High Pro is a boggling affair, yet more growers are needed in each country, by their own country and also the integrity thing is suffering a little in herbs because of some herb/mushroom dealers in more than one country selling bogus or useless.
So, growers are needed - I'm just saying approach at the level and speed you are able and for sure don't over stretch.

We have several classes for agriculture at the subsistance to small guy producer level. You might look for free or cheap programs at local colleges that are relative.

OK! Best Wishes!
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    #13105161 - 08/26/10 12:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

seen as this is the shroomery, it only seems appropriate to mention Ganoderma species.


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    #13106534 - 08/26/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We have a file that has a translation table in it for TCM herbs/formulas if that will help :lol: I think it has to be emailed like a download - it's actually a book with a table I should say.

Strong Anticancer

Reishi, Cordyceps, Turkey tail mix 1:1:1/2
Dose is 1 heaping teaspoon of the powdered mix 3x/day
Goes down easy in a little bit of hot chocolate or coffee
Drink plenty of water.

Essiac tea mix is
6.5 cups Burdock root (Use first year roots. Can be cut in chunks)
16 oz. *Sorrel (Use the whole plant, root and all)
4 oz. *Slippery Elm inner bark (Don't cut a tree! :lol: branch cuttings will do)
1 oz. *Rhubarb, Turkish (or ours, just use twice as much)
*these last three you want to powder - at least as much as possible.
DOSE is 3 ozs (3 shot glasses) 3x/day about 30 minutes before meals

Ppreparation - Important!
DO NOT Use Aluminum Pots or spoons - nada!
- Use 1/3 cup of mix per gallon of water (Strongest, up to half cup)
- Bring water to low boil and add mix
- Cook on low boil 20 minutes stirring freqently and scraping down sides
- Turn off heat, cover and let stand overnight
- Bring to a boil for ten minutes, let cool, bottle and refrigerate.

Keeps about two weeks, turns like regular iced tea - discard and make fresh. Many make half batches to avoid waste.
Straining - optional. Sludge not nauseating and can be used as a poultice. If you strain, strain through a CLEAN screen, filter or cloth.

Potent!
Using these together is excellent for cancer, hepatitis, crohns, infection, illness, diabetes, rhematism/arthritis, kidney stones, detoxification.

EDIT: Essiac conversion -
Burdock root 6 ½ cups = 24 ozs. =1.5 lb. = 672g pea-size cut= 53%
Sheep sorrel  16 ozs.=1 lb. = 448g powdered = 36%
Slippery Elm bark  4 ozs. = 112g powdered = 9%
Turkey rhubarb root  1 oz. = 28g powdered =  2%


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    #13109658 - 08/27/10 11:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

lets not forget that cancer is a cell mutation..though we don't know for sure, it seems likely that cell mutations happen due to some kind of flaw, even old age....probably not always genetic.  things like smoking, drinking, eating shitty stuff etc all put poisons into our body on a regular basis...which seems like a good way to try and muck up cells.

some herbs certainly do seem to help fight these mutating cells, but i think the key to fighting cancer, like said above, is good diet, healthy living...physical and probably mental as well.

my grandma was diagnosed a while ago with  cancer that spread through her abdomen..everywhere.  she went down pretty quick and was taken to hospice (thats the nice hospital rooms with gardens they put people to die happily).  she always ate and cooked VERY healthy, exercised grew her own food when she could etc.  she's also in her mid 80's as well, so its a good run.

thats 3 years ago now and she is still up and at it. i fly back every year to visit.  we always go out together.  she goes swimming in the ocean, walking...as much as she can. her quality of life is quite good cause family loves her and we always do stuff together.  that with good food, and no more chemo and super heavy meds (she stopped in hospice cause they were making her feel like death...once she stopped to super meds she went uphill).

cancer doenst go away, but it can die...honestly i think stopping the spread is the best way...stop cells from mutating.  give someone a reason to live and be happy.  my ifes uncle died 2 months after being diagnosed with esophagus cancer and he was the most unhappy person while in hospital...and ther eis no dought in any way thats why he went so fast.  severe depression and actually wanting to die.  there was also no family to take him out...jsut visit him in a bed all depressing and lifeless like. very sad.  the only smile i ever saw from him was when i brought him a car magazine with pretty ladies on it. 



anyway, thats my take.

on Ganoderma.  some japanese research said that the active stuff in teh rieshi mushroom is too big to be absorbed well in the stomach, they say take it with vitamin c to help break it smaller and absorb better.

here they put in jujube (dried) with the rieshi in tea to combat bitterness...still bitter as fuck though.  if your rieshi tea isnt bitter, you have not cooked it long enough.

licorice helps TONS with bitterness in this tea, and is good in its own right as well :smile:


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    #13110922 - 08/27/10 04:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i'm working today (i'm a physician and today have 24 hs emergency room) and in my free time and using a palm tx found in google the plant named Prunella vulgaris - Xia Ku Cao is a classic anticancer herb used in chinese medicine. seeds are cheap and available in most gardening websites.

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    #13110945 - 08/27/10 04:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Here in the PNW it's not even necessary to grow your own Prunella vulgaris (self-heal/heal-all).  I find some growing in my lawn and they're quite weedy in grassy areas if they can manage to outcompete the grass for some sun space.  A friend of mine had been looking for some last year but kept harvesting lavender instead so this year I made a point to identify and show him the real deal.  He collected a grocery bag full in no time after I showed him :smile:


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    #13110990 - 08/27/10 05:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i found little data on the form of administration. flowers are used for make infusions?

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    #13111022 - 08/27/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hrm I do not have information on Prunella vulgaris memorized but have seen many preparations described in books.  I happen to have "The Herbalist's Way - The Art & Practice of Healing with Plant Medicines" out right now and they recommend a tea from the leaf to use as a gargle for sore throats.

Here's what Plants of the Pacific Northwest Coast has to say about Prunella vulgaris:
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Self-heal apparently consists of native plants (ssp. lanceolata) and introduced plants from Eurasia (ssp. vulgaris).  The species now occurs on all continents.  The Nuxalk boiled the entire plant and drank a weak tea for the heart.  THe Quinault and Quileute put the juice on boils.  The leaves were placed on cuts, bruises, and skin inflammations, and the plants were also crushed and mixed with grease as an ointment.  The widespread traditional use of this plant for healinpurposes gave rise to the common names used today.  It is featured in the old French proverb, 'no one wants a surgeon who keeps Prunelle.'  Prunella is from the German die Braune of 'quinsy,' for which this plant was used as a cure.  Older common names such as 'hook-heal' and 'carpenter's herb' refer to the fact that the plant was used to heal wounds inflicted by sharp-edged tools.  Also called 'sickle-wort,' because the flowers in profile resemble sickles.




I just went upstairs to reference my friend's copy of "Backyard Medicine" which has 4-5 good pages on this herb.  It even talks about it impeding the spread of viruses and its possible use with autoimmune deficiencies like AIDS.  It mentions that the time of year the plant is harvested and which parts of the plant along with there being different subspecies might account for its wide range of reputed health benefits.  The consensus from the sources I've referenced seems to be that one either makes a tea, an infusion into oil, or a salve to apply it as medicine.

EDIT: I have to mention this was a quick search and I did see more reported health benefits but I think you should go get some good herb books to read for yourself :smile:


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    #13122995 - 08/30/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

THAT'S the problem for doctors! There is plenty of herbal info out there, but not much in practical case histories or posology (dosing). When I converted 12 years ago, the first thing I realized is that very little of anything is out there that empowers us in the style and priorities we are used to.
The ND schools are so watered down that they are practically useless unless you are running a "Fern Bar Spa" or something and I was running a "Treat for shock and hold the body up manually while the therapeutics have time to set in!" kind of situation.
Not only do you have to be able to have confidence at therapeutic levels, you have to know about interactions, contraindications and potential individual responses - but once you do get used to using them like a "Bazooka" it gets so much easier and makes so much more sense.
The reason many folks are disappointed in biological therapies is because a "Prima Health" book will describe a dose for "Everybody/simple use" that will not be effective in acute cases.
I find the potentially toxic level, estimate a starting dose by weight and condition, compensate for any side effects and if I don't get the desired response immediately I increase the dose/frequency - sometimes a LOT - before applying another therapeutic. Sometimes you have the right thing but just not the dose/frequency for your age/weight/condition.
Milk thistle seed extract as a supplement is nowhere near the amount needed in a poisoned or injured liver and will seem useless at the supplement level - it takes 4-10 times that amount for serious liver protection in various situations.
Same with cancer/mushrooms. If you want a stage 3 back to stage two in less than two weeks, the dose is triple or more what any supplement bottle will say.
In most plant medicine the "vitamin rule" applies - the body will gobble up loads of what it needs and simply shed off the extra or what it doesn't. In reality, they are MUCH safer and often more reliable than chemical drugs once you get a feel for them.


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    #13124403 - 08/30/10 03:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

best antibiotic plant?

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    #13124444 - 08/30/10 03:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If I could only pick one?

Ganoderma lucidum - reishi
The ganoderic acid is one thing that is very harsh on bacteria. If your fuzzy little legs have been eroded off, you can't move around, reproduce or breathe. Bacteria are pretty easy.

BTW Doc7 - I emailed your three books, and I have one hardcopy to send in your sampler. The hardcopy is "Healing Mushrooms" by Georges Halpern, MD PhD


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