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    #13088223 - 08/22/10 09:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i recently found out i am not myself.
a part of me is, the one with my name, face, identity etc. my everyday persona is the sum of all parts. it is what has developed since my physical birth into this life.

BUT

in recent years i've felt another soul or being inside of me, which is hard to explain. it is formless and does not talk to me with words. i don't sense it as something with form, more like a force or a presence as an elemental force (huge fire, earthquake, a tsunami). it is immensely powerful and old, ancient. it moves inside me as a sleeping animal and it is emotionless. its cold and wise. i sometimes get in contact with it, sometimes it is unreachable. it has its own mind and sometimes i let it "Possess" me. it watches through my eyes as through windows and sees this human world. it will survive my physical death and carry all it learns over to the other side and incarnate in someone else. it has probably lived on this earth before. it is in touch with archetypes and angels. i feel it protects me and tries to act through me. i tried to tell a close friend and he thought i sounded like a schizo.

i tried to search the web for this but came up with nothing. it is in the back of my mind observing, always.

its not a negative force, just inhuman like nature.


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #13088259 - 08/22/10 09:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You might what to check in with a head doctor just in case.:satansmoking:


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #13088281 - 08/22/10 09:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i'm pretty sure i'm smarter than they are :cool:


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Icelander]
    #13088283 - 08/22/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How did it get in?

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b0red5tiff said:
i'm pretty sure i'm smarter than they are :cool:




You might be surprised. I had voiced to my girlfriend the feeling of being ancient. As though I were an entity that was extremely old with loads of experience contained within it. When she voiced this to the counselor she was seeing at the time, the counselor responded that often times kids who grow up through troubled times within a family will express this sensation and feeling.

It isn't an assumption of what that means, it is just an observation. 


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Icelander]
    #13088327 - 08/22/10 09:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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You might what to check in with a head doctor just in case.:satansmoking:




Not saying you're crazy but most all crazy people think their the smart one.:lol:


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Kickle]
    #13088332 - 08/22/10 09:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

feels like its always been in me... in fact it feels like most people have them but are unaware and they tag along as passengers.

the psychologist i saw for a few years didn't know as much about psychology as i did so it ended up with me  introducing her with ideas & concepts in psychology in general. and yeah i've had a a rough time growing up. if you see it through a psychological reality tunnel it points to having to grow up quickly etc, through a spiritual reality tunnel it can mean its an old soul that picks a life to enter before birth etc


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Icelander]
    #13088336 - 08/22/10 09:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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You might what to check in with a head doctor just in case.:satansmoking:




Not saying you're crazy but most all crazy people think their the smart one.:lol:



i know that also and it doesn't bother me :cool:


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #13088368 - 08/22/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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feels like its always been in me... in fact it feels like most people have them but are unaware and they tag along as passengers.

the psychologist i saw for a few years didn't know as much about psychology as i did so it ended up with me  introducing her with ideas & concepts in psychology in general. and yeah i've had a a rough time growing up. if you see it through a psychological reality tunnel it points to having to grow up quickly etc, through a spiritual reality tunnel it can mean its an old soul that picks a life to enter before birth etc





The two views are not necessarily at odds. But IMO the observation that such views are shared by children with troubled pasts has a validity to it. I seemed to have weathered my own troubled youth rather well, but that doesn't mean I came out unscathed. A wounded healer has still been wounded. TBH part of my healing was about getting over that feeling of being ancient and finding the freshness anew. I still have the experience within me, it hasn't left, but rather than it using me, I use it.


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Kickle]
    #13088439 - 08/22/10 10:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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feels like its always been in me... in fact it feels like most people have them but are unaware and they tag along as passengers.

the psychologist i saw for a few years didn't know as much about psychology as i did so it ended up with me  introducing her with ideas & concepts in psychology in general. and yeah i've had a a rough time growing up. if you see it through a psychological reality tunnel it points to having to grow up quickly etc, through a spiritual reality tunnel it can mean its an old soul that picks a life to enter before birth etc





The two views are not necessarily at odds. But IMO the observation that such views are shared by children with troubled pasts has a validity to it. I seemed to have weathered my own troubled youth rather well, but that doesn't mean I came out unscathed. A wounded healer has still been wounded. TBH part of my healing was about getting over that feeling of being ancient and finding the freshness anew. I still have the experience within me, it hasn't left, but rather than it using me, I use it.




i know what you mean. it feels like its trying to merge and make me stronger and more able to learn, to let go of my emotions (fear of heights, for example) and value human relationships on a deeper level (what is most important in life? having a connection with others) etc.its not telling me to start fires or stuff.


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #13088465 - 08/22/10 10:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well if your journey through is anything like my own, good luck. It wasn't easy for me. The wound had to become present before it could be moved beyond. And it didn't become present in some nice imagined way that doesn't really fucking sting, it manifested into reality in the form of relationships and self doubts.


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #13088481 - 08/22/10 10:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Burn him!


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #13088699 - 08/22/10 11:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

In Jung's Memories, Dreams, Reflections he describes exactly what you are describing. He had what he calls the No. 1 and a No. 2 personality since childhood, and describes dealing with such a thing in some detail. I think he may have even referred to the No. 2 personality as a higher-self type thing at one point.

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Re: a being inside of me [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13088731 - 08/22/10 11:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the tip, cosmo! i did a quick search and found this:

If psychoses resulted from some corruption in a person's psyche, so the life of a sane person would be shaped by internal myths and complexes. The goal of what Jung termed 'individuation' was the uniting of inner opposites, or recognizing the many contradictions within yourself. This self-knowledge would allow a sense of unity of purpose about your life and your personality to emerge. Jung recounts that, as a boy, he realized that there were two basic aspects to a person's being, which he termed personality No. 1 (what we usually think of as the self) and personality No.2 (the 'other'). His own No. 1 was the boy who did his homework and got into fights, but he also sensed a No. 2 which rested upon a 'timeless, imperishable stone' of wisdom.

Jung went out of his way to listen to this part of himself because he felt it to be his most valuable, and though most people never even want to recognize the 'other' within themselves, his lifetime's work in exploring the various sides and dimensions of the self means that today we are not afraid of talking about this No. 2 personality (variously called 'the shadow', the 'higher self', the 'true self'). We appreciate that its integration is necessary for a sense of wholeness. Without doing so, we tend to project onto other people or things what we do not recognize in ourselves, with often harmful consequences.


i just might have to get that book.


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #13088788 - 08/22/10 11:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: If you want the PDF PM me your email... too big to post here.

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Re: a being inside of me [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #13088812 - 08/22/10 11:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like awareness shining through ego - the ego being the number 1 personality, number 2 being the selfless awareness the ego casts a shadow upon


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Re: a being inside of me [Re: lolwut]
    #13088880 - 08/23/10 12:17 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I've had a similar experience, I call him "the other" and it seems to me, believe it or not, this guy is your "future self". Think about it, if we can dream 100 years in one night, then we can develop a future personality in this dream. What if we can use this future personality his skills and knowledge in real life?

"Awareness shining through ego, the future self being the selfless awareness our personality the ego casts a shadow upon" would be a nice way to put it and it woudl explain how and why these personalities are seperated. In another thread you said you have two types of breath. I also noticed this, I call it normal breath and the dream breath.

In the books of Carlos Castaneda, Don Juan refers to this as "The dreamer and the dreamed".

What are your thoughts on this? How would you get in touch with the other?

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Re: a being inside of me [Re: lolwut] * 1
    #13088895 - 08/23/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This is totally normal.

Its your Delta witness.

Our brains produce brainwaves, and Delta is the deepest.
Associated with dreamless sleep.
Usually residing, and emanating from the ancient reptilian brain/cortex.

If we can shut off our other brainwaves in meditation, and remain aware, in Delta, we reach this part of ourselves.

The ancient witness.
The Void.
The Eternal Prescence
The Higher Self
A guardian "angel"
whatever you call it...
Its all the same thing.

Realizing God is one up from that.

In which you realize that this ancient "being" within you, isnt a being at all.  Or a prescence.
But it is you.  It is life itself.
The prescence feels eternal, and wise because it literally is.
It is the electricity of life.
Flowing through us.

When we stop seperating that witnessing, into things like "higher selves" "ancient beings" "channeled spirits" "guardian angels"
We realize God, because we realize that its not a seperate being, or incarnation, we are it, it is us, and both are God.

Without that witness, life ceases.
Because the witness is the flow of life within us all.
That is God

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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Holoverse]
    #13088910 - 08/23/10 12:27 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Funny you mentioned the Delta waves... the article I posted in this forum on Lucid Dreaming talks about how scientists have discovered our brain waves change in lucid dreams and what not. I think it all has to do with frequency, the brain is like a radio-tuner which can tune into different channels of consciousness. In the book Seth Speaks the channeled entity Seth talks a lot about this too.

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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Holoverse]
    #13088913 - 08/23/10 12:28 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Nice words holoverse, but the real question still remains unanswered. How do we get into touch with it? It is seperated for a purpose, what is the purpose, and how do we overcome this seperation, how do we "use" the other?

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Re: a being inside of me [Re: Diaboleros]
    #13088918 - 08/23/10 12:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I've had a similar experience, I call him "the other" and it seems to me, believe it or not, this guy is your "future self". Think about it, if we can dream 100 years in one night, then we can develop a future personality in this dream. What if we can use this future personality his skills and knowledge in real life?

"Awareness shining through ego, the future self being the selfless awareness our personality the ego casts a shadow upon" would be a nice way to put it and it woudl explain how and why these personalities are seperated. In another thread you said you have two types of breath. I also noticed this, I call it normal breath and the dream breath.

In the books of Carlos Castaneda, Don Juan refers to this as "The dreamer and the dreamed".

What are your thoughts on this? How would you get in touch with the other?




haha... i've been thinking about it since childhood. there is a sense that time does not exist... well it exists for the persona & human mind but the "true self" like all the archetypes are universal and outside of time. so basically i have achieved individualization (reached the promised land). that true self is this manifesting in me from childhood, communicating with the ego and growing on me by spiritual means. basically this true self is only limited by my current perception. as it guides me in life to expand my consciousness and experiences it grows (in reality its manifesting in time&space, its whole and connected to the creator fully).

i've gotten in touch with it through repetitive action mostly, like taking a long bus ride or a walk, or doing hard physical labour. repetitive action short circuits the rational, ego mind and subdues it. its basically a form of meditation where you turn off the background noises in your mind to hear the true self.

still lately i have been hearing it more prominently, without any exercises... there are periods when it is almost dominating: everything becomes clear, i am as focused as a laserbeam (in contrast to the every day candle light that dimly lits my surroundings evenly) and i fear nothing or no one. its like i'm a soldier or a messiah in the land of the slaves, where i have woken up and others are asleep. i get a different look in the eyes, posture changes and the way i talk changes. it is a powerful feeling yet it doesnt expand the ego. it sees into others, their fears and hopes and possible futures become clear, even their illnesses. it often expresses itself through vague prophecies which i have to translate into human tongue. it is like a great dragon, a power so incomprehensible i fear letting it out.


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