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OfflineJssMthrFcknChrst
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Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms
    #1307747 - 02/14/03 10:46 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Picked up a questionable tip on another board. They recommened pressure cooking fresh mushrooms to preserve them for longer amounts of times. Supposedly this would allow fresh mushrooms to be stored as-is with out potency loss.

The theory behind this is that the decompostition of the active substances is caused mainly by an enzymatic reaction rather than heat/light/air/moisture . The heat of pressure cooking for 15-20 minutes would destroy these emzymes, preventing further breakdown of the goodies.

Has anyone ever tried this? Make sense to anyone? Perhaps this will be attempted just for the hell of it.


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1307762 - 02/14/03 10:51 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

They're full of shit.


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1307983 - 02/14/03 12:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Its heat that destroys the actives....

Dont be so gulible! :mad:

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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1309332 - 02/15/03 07:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

So then you deny that enzymes have any effect on the breakdown? Or is heat just more of an important factor?


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1309385 - 02/15/03 08:17 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Don't think enzymes have much to do with it. Air and moisture and the two things you need to avoid to preserve potency.


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1309395 - 02/15/03 08:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

>Its heat that destroys the actives....

Are you aware of the temperature psilocybin decomposes at?


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Xlea321]
    #1309542 - 02/15/03 09:46 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

We know that psilocybin contains a phoshate ring that prevents oxidation, and that psilocin, missing this ring, is easily oxidized. It seems to me that something would need to occur within the tissue of the mushroom to allow psilocybin to breakdown as easily as some people believe it does.

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Psilocybin is biotransformed to psilocin in the body by the enzyme alkaline phosphatase which acts to dephoshorylate psilocybin. (Source)



If the human body contains such enzymes, is it unreasonable to assume that the mushroom might at least contain a similar enzyme that may act in a similar fashion?

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Sub-boiling or lightly boiling water does not noticably reduce the activity of dried Psilocybe cubensis. Many people ingest their mushrooms as tea without needing to increase the quantity used. We know of people who regularly boil their mushrooms for up to 30 mins before drinking the resulting liquid. All fully active. The hotter the water, the better. (Source)



Alright, so 100?C is not enough to significantly decompose psilocybin in 30 minutes, will 130?C for 15-20 minutes have a great effect? In fact, Erowid lists the melting point at 180-220?C (Source), almost 400?F, well beyond the range that a pressure cooker can provide. I don't know that the melting point is the same as the temperature at which it will decompose, anyone care to clarify?

-- Interesting factoid discovered while searching for all of this --

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All of the psilocybin species described herein may be most conclusively identified by an enzyme that occurs with the psilocybin. This enzyme turns blue thru an oxidation process after the flesh of the mushroom is damaged. Crack the stem to check for the reaction, which takes from 20 to 120 minutes to occur. The blue is similar to blue ink, unless the flesh of the mushroom is yellowish, in which case the color will appear blue-green. All psilocybin mushrooms (with the exception of one uncommon species that is not covered in this manual) turn blue in this manner. A few chemicals will speed up the oxidation/bluing process but are not readily available. Because these chemicals are unstable and are difficult to work with, to hassle with them in the field, for most people, is not worth the trouble. (Source)



This is interesting because it states that the bluing reaction is NOT caused by the oxidation of psilocybin, but by an enzyme that is found with psilocybin. Therefore, we could conclude, that brusing does not directly corrolate with a decline in potency of the mushroom. That is, of course, unless this enzyme, when oxidized, breaks down the psilocybin.

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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1313260 - 02/17/03 06:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Does no one have any more input on this? Please realize I'm not try to start an argument for the sake of arguing, I'm trying to come to a scietific conclusion on this. It just seems to me that many of us take what we read as fact, even if there is evidence to support alternative views. I've just seen too many explainations for the decompostion of psilocybin to know for a fact what the cause is.

Thanks for any input
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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1313347 - 02/17/03 07:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

how would u normally dry them? ive heard about this pressure cooker, and i thought it was legit. im no cultivator though... anyone info?


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: BlowMiNose]
    #1313409 - 02/17/03 08:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Xlea321]
    #1313807 - 02/17/03 11:35 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Please don't use speculation to perpetuate urban myths. The scienctific literature frequently mentions that enzymatic action is responsible for much of the breakdown of psilocin and psilocybin. Psilocybin by itself is quite stable even at the temperature of boiling water. The oxidation and/or breakdown of psilocin has often been attributed to simple oxidation HOWEVER a recent article by Sasha Shulgin (and other articles by scientists in the past) have suggested that psilocin may actually often be present in larger quantities than previously thought but that is more difficult to extract than previously realized.

The enzymatic decomposition is widely discussed in scientific literature but not well-understood or studied. There has been the suggestion that the enzymes can be destroyed by a brief pressure cooking (of dried mushrooms but I suppose fresh would work, too) without damaging the psilocybin or psilocin. A typical pressure cooker only gets to 250 degrees Fahrenheit -- which is 150 degrees F lower than the melting point of psilocybin. It is a temperature that certainly won't destroy the psilocybin if it is only done for 10 minutes or so.

It certainly is worth a test if you have a supply of shrooms. Just do it to some and not to other and then compare their potency.


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1314694 - 02/17/03 05:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Lets use some common sense, please. What happens when you heat something and what happens when u freeze something. Ok, thank you.


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1315755 - 02/18/03 03:41 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Are you saying that the fruitbody would fall apart, turn to mush?


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1315770 - 02/18/03 04:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yes, what is your point?


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: mohican]
    #1316059 - 02/18/03 07:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

lol
psilocybin is gone at 120F
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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Bilge]
    #1316064 - 02/18/03 07:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

his point is that when you freeze something, breakdown occurs much more slowly. when you heat something up, it will promote molecules to break down. now, boiling mushrooms would increase the rate of breakdown leaving you with a pile of non active mush.


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Eightball]
    #1316147 - 02/18/03 08:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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psilocybin is gone at 120F




where did you hear that?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info7.shtml

Psilocybin and Heat by Erowid

"I'd say the question of Psilocybin + Heat is no longer a controversy, its a misunderstanding coupled with incomplete data. I think the open question is whether all dried mushrooms can be boiled without significant loss or whether some types react better or worse to this treatment.
Sub-boiling or lightly boiling water does not noticably reduce the activity of dried Psilocybe cubensis. Many people ingest their mushrooms as tea without needing to increase the quantity used. We know of people who regularly boil their mushrooms for up to 30 mins before drinking the resulting liquid. All fully active. The hotter the water, the better. The water should be at least slightly acidic, but psilocybin is highly water soluable.

So, the experience of many people says it works. Smoking mushrooms can work, but most mushrooms aren't terribly potent so you need to smoke a lot of mushrooms to get a strong effect (imagine smoking 2 grams of mushrooms ! yuck!). But many reliable sources report a mild effect at smoking a bowl or two and this is potentiated by other entheogens (LSD specifically).

However, this is not to say that psilocin, another active chemical, won't break down quickly in boiling water (it probably will). Different types of mushrooms contain differing ratios of psilocybin to psilocin, so it seems quite possible that different strains would fare differently with boiling or hot water extractions. There is evidence to suggest that some degree of potency loss occurs if Psilocybe cyanescens are heated by a method such as boiling."


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Re: Pressure Cooking Fresh Mushrooms [Re: Bilge]
    #1316556 - 02/18/03 11:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This is an interesting thread and all but to solve the initial problem you are talking about I was told by a guy I used to know that preserving in gelcaps, packed to the brim so there is virtually zero air was a surefire way to maintain basically full potency. I guess that relies on the fact there is zero air, so one would assume 02 is definitely needed to break down the actives.

Not that there aren't many people who already know this here, but I believe that process is somewhat redundant.

Still, why not try it (whoever suggested it).



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