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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: Raadt]
    #1320588 - 02/19/03 07:47 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Ive grown pans at temperatures ranging from 70-77 normallay around 22C and the only difference ive noted is that they tend to pin faster at higher temperatures. Certainly i cannot see any reason who slightly colder temps would cause the casing to 'fail'.
Quite the opposite infact when you consider that most contaminants are more prolific in higher temperatures. As long as the temperature is maintained at a steady level and air exchange is provided they will perform.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1320718 - 02/19/03 10:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Psssssttttt.....A seed mat warmer works perfect....  :cool: 


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: BlueJay]
    #1320769 - 02/19/03 11:17 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I have been using an aquarium heater in a container directly below the fruiting chamber. This it not adequate though. I have now added insulation around the chamber and placed a heated seed tray filled with wet perlite below the fruiting tray (inside the fruiting chamber). I will be monitoring the temperature closely.

Thanks everyone for the advice.  :smile: 
 


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1321101 - 02/20/03 04:23 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Temp has stabilised between 75 ? 79. It worked :smile:.
Slower and less fluctuation in temp also. 


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1321106 - 02/20/03 04:26 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

awesome, can't wait to see the results. You're sure you're getting enough air exchange? that's the only reason left to fail.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: Raadt]
    #1321126 - 02/20/03 04:34 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I calculated the required air exchange using the formula in the Mushroom Cultivator and checked the amount of air my pump was shifting by filling a plastic bag with a known volume for a set period of time.

My calculations where about 1.7 exchanges per hour, the required is 2 exchanges according to the Mushroom Cultivator, but the chamber is not constantly sealed so I think this would be adequate.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1321544 - 02/20/03 07:20 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

wow, good job.

best of luck to you friend =)


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print:Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1326285 - 02/22/03 09:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Update:

First pins have appeared :smile:. It?s a wonderful day. 

See picture in first post  :grin: 


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print:Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1327606 - 02/22/03 09:58 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Congradulations!!  Your temps at 77C right?  My second casing looks identical to yours but no pins yet.

I have to take my hat of to you mate (i've been cultivating for 10 months and grown 4 types of cubs)  and I still have'nt nailed Pans!

5 stars to you ! well earned. :cool: 

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print:Florida) [Re: mix_up]
    #1327731 - 02/22/03 11:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Mix up,

My temp is now between 76 - 84 F.

More pictures coming soon.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print:Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1329830 - 02/23/03 07:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Looking Great!!! That's an awesome job, especially considering this is your first try. My friend is pretty experienced and his only got to be a bit taller than those pins, and that's when they grew at all. You are already a talented cultivator. Where did you get your straw? Was it a particular brand name or type (wheat, etc)?

Thank you.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Wild print - Florida)**Update Feb 24** [Re: maxphun]
    #1329956 - 02/23/03 09:18 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Update

The pins are developing nicely. They seem very thin, but as I have read this can be expected with Pan cyan. I love the cameral colour heads. I am very pleased.

3 New pictures added  :smile: . See first post..... 
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> Where did you get your straw?

Pet shop (no brand name).


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1332844 - 02/24/03 08:59 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Update:  :laugh:

Cropping section has been added to the log.

Still more pins are developing and the shrooms are growing nicely.

Concerns   :confused:

There is no humidity gauge so I am concerned that the humidity is too high for good fruit body formation. All surfaces in the grow chamber have large water droplets. Ocaionally water droplets land on the casing surface.   


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1333507 - 02/25/03 05:25 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Update: 3 More Pictures added (see first post).

What do you all think?



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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1334337 - 02/25/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

jeasously, coming over me. No seroiusly YOU BA'STAD. Seriously take a pic of your air circulation system AKA computer fan. Thats the ony difference between your set up and mine! I come home every night full of expectactions and Nout!!! then I look at your log and feel like crap !!! aHHHHHHHHaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, well done !!!"! keep the pics coming

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1334416 - 02/25/03 10:17 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

great job and dont mist them babes much or they wont put out for you......They will abort fast...One or two squirts of very fine mist a day are the max...


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: BlueJay]
    #1334439 - 02/25/03 10:27 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Id suggest not misting them at all. They tend to mature fast and its not worth the risk. The few times ive misted bm fruitbodies they have gone dark blue within 24 hours.
They look very yummy!
Ill have to try Bluejay's straw methods - im used to manure, but it sounds interesting.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1336364 - 02/25/03 10:58 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I have never misted them. The humidity is very high because of the heated seed tray, which is filled and surrounded with perlite. I feel this is providing too much humidity, some of the smaller Shrooms are covered with fresh mycelium. I am going to try a few things to lower the humidity without lowering the temp.

The heated tray filled with wet perlite would be perfect for cakes as it provides perfect temp and very high humidity.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: maxphun]
    #1336379 - 02/25/03 11:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Air exchange and circulation system

Computer fan - attached on the top of the camber lid.



Computer Fan housing - directing the air across the casing surface.



The bubbler is placed directly below to computer fan, so fresh air is circulated.



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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (wild print from Florida) [Re: BlueJay]
    #1337617 - 02/26/03 10:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Some bad news !!    :frown:

Some of the shrooms are turning black I assume they are aborting. It?s probably due to the high humidity. I have removed some of the wet perlite to see if this helps reduce the humidity. I hope they pull through..

Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. ...


 


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