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OfflineCrobih
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Police state - the only way out...
    #1305753 - 02/13/03 12:18 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

..for your government which is typicall oligarchy to stay where it does not belong. Leading American people.

In other words.

Your government is not democratic. It is a choice between two same sides. Democrats and Republicans. They are not actual alternative. you can easily imagine they are one party. Oligarchy.
Now, in the era of the internet, the stuff that will bring us to direct democracy, the only way out is to stop this is "war". So they made up this war, to get the legitimacy for the censourship.

They will try to make you terrorist, if you try to avoid the censourship, or to use encryptic code, or anything "dangerous" (for them off course). If you keep it up, they will shoot you. In the complete silence.

This is the war for the freedom and democracy. This is not about osama or anything like that. bio weapon is a shit. Everybody has it, but it it is not going to be used. because it will mean dead for the civilisation. Wake up. this is IT.

Edited by Crobih (02/13/03 12:18 PM)

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1305819 - 02/13/03 12:45 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

New Zealand is starting to sound real nice.........


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Skikid16]
    #1305863 - 02/13/03 01:00 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

bout the censourship stuff

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1305873 - 02/13/03 01:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

To this day, I continue to wonder why people still regard "1984" as just "science fiction".


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1305896 - 02/13/03 01:11 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

we can fight it. we have internet

Edited by Crobih (02/13/03 01:11 PM)

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1305902 - 02/13/03 01:12 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Thats all fucked up.


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: MushyMay]
    #1305941 - 02/13/03 01:25 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

no its not. the e-democracy movement has taken solid roots in germany and even in us. That stuff will bring us to democracy. That was not posible before the internet, casue capital hold mass media. and mass media made the public opinion.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1309447 - 02/15/03 06:57 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Look man, America is ancient rome. Rome killed thousands of people to get land and resourses. That is what America is doing. Rome fell and so will america in a couple hundred years.


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: downforpot]
    #1309460 - 02/15/03 07:06 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

you are ignorant fool. this is the new age. when anybody can kill everybody. where more optimised system eliminates worse. the revolution is happening now. Even you are not aware of that, yet.

anyway, it is a question of day, not a century when the new order will happen.

yeah, its our decidion do we want democracy or 1984. I am giving my part. Cause knowing this I could not stand the fact I did not try.

Edited by Crobih (02/15/03 07:11 AM)

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1309878 - 02/15/03 11:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

shut up, america will kill thousands and it will fall. I dont care what age it is.


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: downforpot]
    #1309937 - 02/15/03 12:20 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

*millions.

and rome fell because it got too big for its own good. it was impossible to govern territories that were so far away in that day. with modern technology and a globalized economy, america can probably sustain an "empire" of unprecedented size indefinitely. i hope not though.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1310192 - 02/15/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Your government is not democratic.




look...you obviously dont know what a democracy is....

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1311036 - 02/16/03 05:02 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

how do you think decisions regarding public policy should be made if not by majority vote?

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: ]
    #1311389 - 02/16/03 08:28 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Decisions regarding public policy are not made by majority vote.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Xibalba]
    #1311546 - 02/16/03 09:51 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

perhaps that is so. but he was attacking the ideal of democracy. i was just wondering what he thinks a viable alternative is.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: ]
    #1312138 - 02/16/03 02:32 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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i was just wondering what he thinks a viable alternative is.



I believe there is none, currently, and for this reason we are shit outa' luck. I don't think we're intelligent enough to make near to flawless system of government.


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1312153 - 02/16/03 02:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

unfortunately, with mass media, it is very easy to manipulate public opinion. with huge corporations, it is easy to buy politicians. there are problems with the system, yes. i think there are ways it could be improved though... but i haven't the time to get into that right now...

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1312296 - 02/16/03 03:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

i was just wondering what he thinks a viable alternative is.



I believe there is none, currently, and for this reason we are shit outa' luck. I don't think we're intelligent enough to make near to flawless system of government.




Yeah, I agree. On the one hand, democracy is the only system of government that gives the governed a peaceful means of deciding who their leaders are and removing those leaders who are a menace both to their own country and to the rest of the world. On the other hand, in a nation of jackasses and morons and the easily brainwashed, democracy is an absolute disaster. It's putting power into the hands of people who are totally incompetent to exercise that power wisely, and who keep electing one lying, corrupt sheister after another.

So democracy is far from perfect, but I still believe it is absolutely essential because nobody has yet to put forth a system of choosing leaders that will not eventually lead to even worse forms of favoritism, corruption, etc. Democracy is bad, but everything else out there is even worse. The only hope for democracy, however, is an educated, informed, and engaged populace. I personally think that the politicians in the US, at least, DELIBERATELY keep public education in a state of perpetual disrepair, for two main reasons:

--a well-educated populace is far more difficult to manipulate

--well-educated people are less likely to accept low-paid, demeaning, dirty, and dangerous jobs. The harsh reality of life is that, without having millions of people willing to do those jobs, society would completely collapse in about twenty minutes. Of course, those people could be paid more, but that would cut into the profits and luxurious lifestyles of the elite (to which most politicians belong).

My own personal pipe dream is that people who want to vote should have to get a "voter's license," just as they have to get a driver's license. The test for a "voter's license" would basically be exactly the same as the test that immigrants have to take when they want to become naturalized US citizens: it would test their knowledge of the US Consititution, the Bill of Rights, and major facts of US history. It would also test their knowledge of who their current elected representatives are. My personal feeling is that if foreigners have to take this test in order to be allowed to vote in the US, why shouldn't everybody else? Why should some illiterate asswipe who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground be allowed to vote for the nation's leadership just because he was born on this soil? People who don't take or don't pass this test will still enjoy all of the other rights of citizenship, they will simply be ineligible to vote.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: ]
    #1312980 - 02/16/03 11:04 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Polititions should do no more than draft bills.Then the bill is put before the people in a referendem vote.It's still rule by majority,just a little more pure.


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1313117 - 02/17/03 01:47 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

EchoVortex writes:

Democracy is bad, but everything else out there is even worse.

Exactly. The only way to make it less bad is to strictly limit the areas in which government may involve itself, through documents such as the US Constitution. Unfortunately, history has shown that democratic governments tend not to pay much attention to such limits, so even THAT tactic works for only a short while.

My own personal pipe dream is that people who want to vote should have to get a "voter's license," just as they have to get a driver's license... (snip)...People who don't take or don't pass this test will still enjoy all of the other rights of citizenship, they will simply be ineligible to vote.

A truly excellent idea. Sadly, I agree with your opinion that it will forever remain nothing more than a pipe dream.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Phred]
    #1319708 - 02/19/03 01:47 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

No. Democracy is a perfect form of a government. You are talking about oligarchy. Though, we got to keep moving toward democracy.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1319818 - 02/19/03 02:18 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Crobih, In part, I agree with you. For years I've said that representative democracy is merely an elected oligarchy. I believe this is the best available system. I strongly believe the masses are too easily led like lemmings to suicidal group actions, they're stupid and incapable of ruling themselves. Now, since a legitamate goverrnment derives it's power from the people, this requires the people's consent, which it has.


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1319823 - 02/19/03 02:21 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

you are dead on, the 2 party system is an illusion created by the elitest bastards.. aka nwo, aka illuminati, aka rockefellers, rothschilds, etc. i dont have the best of memories but its pretty clear what they would have in store for us. check out www.truthinmedia.org. Gore and Bush, niether was a choice for good. Their budget plans varied by only 2%, but here is the funny thing, guess who proposed more for defense expenditure? Gore. A country is truly sick when more money is spent on one plan than hundreds of thousands of impoverished people combined will ever see in their lifetime. And I'm as ignorant as any other who died in the depths of the hellhole known as public schooling. Can we say cortical fragmentation? I will have my revenge. muhahaha

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1319841 - 02/19/03 02:27 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

people who want to vote should have to get a "voter's license," just as they have to get a driver's license. The test for a "voter's license" would basically be exactly the same as the test that immigrants have to take when they want to become naturalized US citizens: it would test their knowledge of the US Consititution, the Bill of Rights, and major facts of US history. 


A truly brilliant idea.  As pinky said, it's sad that this will most likely never happen.  The only problem I can see with it is, who writes the test?  Other than that it's possibly one of the best ideas I've come across.  I would be interested in seeing how many politicians would fail such a test. :smile: 


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1319872 - 02/19/03 02:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Democracy is a perfect form of a government.



"Democracy is the worst system of government there is, except for all those others which have been tried."--Winston Churchill


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1319941 - 02/19/03 03:05 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner.
- Walter Block (I think)


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1320872 - 02/20/03 01:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Rail Gun. The governemnt can be reprenstative and much more democratic than it is in USA. All you need is full transparency (not closed sessions only) of the government, organised people wich is hard stuff for big USA (who do not depend on CNN stuff) , and off course the system wich is more proportional.

Anyway, it is comming the time of direct democracy. It will be possible because of internet techonlogy. The war is the only ecxcuse that can stop this let me say internet revolution.

I call it revolution, because it will make fundamental changes in the leading people. With the premise of higher good.

I know it sounds as I am mental, but I am in this stff for a while. And new speculations and infromations made me believe it so. Cheers :smile:

Anyway, no one wants war. So the war wont happen. In the e-democracy, off course :smile:.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1321385 - 02/20/03 06:10 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I think most of the federal gov's sessions are pretty transparent. You can watch them on c-span. Some things will never be public like the joint inteligence comitee's meetings or the presidents briefings and stuff. I think the problem is just with the a-holes the people choose to elect. And think about this, if it's this bad with the people the people pick, it would probably be a lot worse if the people themselves decided. Just my .02 cents.


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1712275 - 07/13/03 06:42 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Its time to pick this topic again. BTW, in a last few months, my crew has made a big job toward the e-democracy.

We have THE PROJECT :laugh:.

BTW, rail gun. The true point of ed is much biger choice and no chancefor mass media to be an opinion maker. In the open source system, where infos are avaiable to everybody, where everybody can give his free time to the system, plus full transparency of the system, gives the full legitimacy to the government, gives the best ideas to get into the progress and much more.

All in all, this means the new era. It means turn into the true democracy.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: downforpot]
    #1713116 - 07/13/03 11:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I run with Asians, Latinos, and black kids, and thugs who live Communist.



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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: ]
    #1713186 - 07/14/03 12:28 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Democracy: Advancing society at the pace of a drunk snail on a salt-lick.


I can only imagine whats next..


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