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OfflineCrobih
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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Phred]
    #1319708 - 02/19/03 01:47 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

No. Democracy is a perfect form of a government. You are talking about oligarchy. Though, we got to keep moving toward democracy.

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OfflineEllis Dee
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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1319818 - 02/19/03 02:18 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Crobih, In part, I agree with you. For years I've said that representative democracy is merely an elected oligarchy. I believe this is the best available system. I strongly believe the masses are too easily led like lemmings to suicidal group actions, they're stupid and incapable of ruling themselves. Now, since a legitamate goverrnment derives it's power from the people, this requires the people's consent, which it has.


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And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1319823 - 02/19/03 02:21 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

you are dead on, the 2 party system is an illusion created by the elitest bastards.. aka nwo, aka illuminati, aka rockefellers, rothschilds, etc. i dont have the best of memories but its pretty clear what they would have in store for us. check out www.truthinmedia.org. Gore and Bush, niether was a choice for good. Their budget plans varied by only 2%, but here is the funny thing, guess who proposed more for defense expenditure? Gore. A country is truly sick when more money is spent on one plan than hundreds of thousands of impoverished people combined will ever see in their lifetime. And I'm as ignorant as any other who died in the depths of the hellhole known as public schooling. Can we say cortical fragmentation? I will have my revenge. muhahaha

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OfflineMushyMay
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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1319841 - 02/19/03 02:27 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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people who want to vote should have to get a "voter's license," just as they have to get a driver's license. The test for a "voter's license" would basically be exactly the same as the test that immigrants have to take when they want to become naturalized US citizens: it would test their knowledge of the US Consititution, the Bill of Rights, and major facts of US history. 


A truly brilliant idea.  As pinky said, it's sad that this will most likely never happen.  The only problem I can see with it is, who writes the test?  Other than that it's possibly one of the best ideas I've come across.  I would be interested in seeing how many politicians would fail such a test. :smile: 


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1319872 - 02/19/03 02:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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Democracy is a perfect form of a government.



"Democracy is the worst system of government there is, except for all those others which have been tried."--Winston Churchill


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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1319941 - 02/19/03 03:05 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner.
- Walter Block (I think)


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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OfflineCrobih
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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1320872 - 02/20/03 01:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Rail Gun. The governemnt can be reprenstative and much more democratic than it is in USA. All you need is full transparency (not closed sessions only) of the government, organised people wich is hard stuff for big USA (who do not depend on CNN stuff) , and off course the system wich is more proportional.

Anyway, it is comming the time of direct democracy. It will be possible because of internet techonlogy. The war is the only ecxcuse that can stop this let me say internet revolution.

I call it revolution, because it will make fundamental changes in the leading people. With the premise of higher good.

I know it sounds as I am mental, but I am in this stff for a while. And new speculations and infromations made me believe it so. Cheers :smile:

Anyway, no one wants war. So the war wont happen. In the e-democracy, off course :smile:.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Crobih]
    #1321385 - 02/20/03 06:10 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I think most of the federal gov's sessions are pretty transparent. You can watch them on c-span. Some things will never be public like the joint inteligence comitee's meetings or the presidents briefings and stuff. I think the problem is just with the a-holes the people choose to elect. And think about this, if it's this bad with the people the people pick, it would probably be a lot worse if the people themselves decided. Just my .02 cents.


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OfflineCrobih
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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1712275 - 07/13/03 06:42 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Its time to pick this topic again. BTW, in a last few months, my crew has made a big job toward the e-democracy.

We have THE PROJECT :laugh:.

BTW, rail gun. The true point of ed is much biger choice and no chancefor mass media to be an opinion maker. In the open source system, where infos are avaiable to everybody, where everybody can give his free time to the system, plus full transparency of the system, gives the full legitimacy to the government, gives the best ideas to get into the progress and much more.

All in all, this means the new era. It means turn into the true democracy.

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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: downforpot]
    #1713116 - 07/13/03 11:44 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I run with Asians, Latinos, and black kids, and thugs who live Communist.



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Re: Police state - the only way out... [Re: ]
    #1713186 - 07/14/03 12:28 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Democracy: Advancing society at the pace of a drunk snail on a salt-lick.


I can only imagine whats next..


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dismiss that which insults your soul." -Walt Whitman

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