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Bucket Dunk Tek
    #13051624 - 08/14/10 07:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This is a tek that I have created for dunking a number of brf/verm cakes at one time, easily.

I believe that if you suspend the cakes 10 feet under the surface of the water, they are able to absorb more water
(pressure, pay attention, this is science).
Makes sense, right? So anything is better than floating on the surface.
Here is an easy way to fully submerge your cakes.

Look around and find:
one 5 gallon bucket (clean)
one 3.5 gallon bucket (like for drywall mud, cleaned thouroughly)

I didn't have to look far.


Using a hole saw or spaid bit, remove the center of the 3.5 gallon bucket. Like this.


Now you have two buckets that look like this.


Fill the 5 gallon bucket about 3/4 full with cool, clean water.
Remove your cakes from their jars, clean, rinse then drop in water bucket.
(Don't currently have cakes to birth so I'll demonstrate with jars)


Place 3.5 gallon bucket on top of your cakes in the bigger bucket.
Almost no water is displaced out of the bucket, the smaller bucket fills with water and sinks.


The weight of the smaller bucket (and the water in it) will hold your cakes suspended about a foot and a half under the surface of the water.
The dotted line represents the depth of the smaller bucket / your cakes.



Edited by Slappy McCrackin (08/14/10 08:06 PM)


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: Slappy McCrackin]
    #13051648 - 08/14/10 07:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: Numinosum]
    #13051789 - 08/14/10 08:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

you might be onto somehting regarding the depth of the cakes and the presure of the water.


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: rave420]
    #13052769 - 08/14/10 11:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

rave420 said:
you might be onto somehting regarding the depth of the cakes and the presure of the water.




My ears told me this was true last time I went swimming.


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: Slappy McCrackin]
    #13052797 - 08/14/10 11:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Would it be possible to get a similar result from putting a heavy plate that's just a bit smaller than the bucket on top of the cakes and letting it sink down into the water?


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: Slappy McCrackin]
    #13052809 - 08/15/10 12:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Nice write up and pictorial.  Clear, concise, and consistent, I always like to research injanuitive members of the community's tips and teks.  I do something similar (yet more primitive) involving an 18 gallon storage tote, a 10 gallon storage tote lid, 20 inches of water, and 2 5 pound free weights when I do five quart spawn blocks of grain.  With BRF cakes I use the five gallon bucket, a dinner plate, and 1 5 pound free weight filled to capacity with water enough so the cake, plate , and weight stay submerged yet the water level comes to the brim of the bucket.  I agree that the deeper into water the cakes/substrates are submerged, the more penetrating power the water has into the cake/substrate. 
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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: hamloaf]
    #13054359 - 08/15/10 12:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the kind words.
Hope people can find use in this.


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: Slappy McCrackin]
    #13055143 - 08/15/10 03:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

well, what we need to do is establish some comparison.

Let's say you dunk half your cakes normally, and the other half you submerge a foot or two, for the same amount of time.

Then you put them in the FC and observe if you can see any changes.


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek *DELETED* [Re: rave420]
    #13055778 - 08/15/10 05:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: tehshyt]
    #13055932 - 08/15/10 06:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

the shorter the dunk the better I think, so if u can optimize the hydration time, then I guess you're doing something benefichttp://http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/incrediblegifts_2119ial.

so, you're saying if I take 2 sponges, submerging 1 only an inch and the other say 1 foot, the amount of time it takes for the sponge to fill up will differ significantly.

I wonder if I could use those toys that expand in water to test this. Drop one in a a shallow glass and the other in a 5 gallon bucket.

oh check this, water expanding boyfriend, 5 bucks, expands 600% over the course of 72 hours. Anyone got 10 bucks to donate to science?



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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: anonjon]
    #13056049 - 08/15/10 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

what the hell, I got 5 on it.
I say the one a foot under expands to full capacity quicker, if it can in fact be held one foot under the entire time.


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek *DELETED* [Re: anonjon]
    #13056060 - 08/15/10 07:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: tehshyt]
    #13056987 - 08/15/10 10:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure that judging them by how well they fruit is going to give an accurate picture of how much water the cake absorbed because of other variables like genetics.

Measuring the missing water could work but I agree that evaporation would be a problem over such a long period of time. Instead, the time could be held constant and the depth varied. There would still be a problem with the cakes not all being identical. I think something like weighing the cakes before and after dunking and finding out what percent the weight increased by would give a decent picture of how much the depth affects the cakes.

I'd expect that the density of the cake before dunking would affect its ability to absorb water so a large sample size would probably be necessary to get valid results.

A big concern I'd have about doing this would be that it could really damage a cake. The deeper something is put under water the more pressure it will be under by the weight of the water above it. If the pressure is too much it will probably break the cake into pieces. Small depths won't create too much pressure but I don't think that putting a cake under 10 feet of water would be a very good idea.


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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: tehshyt] * 1
    #13057032 - 08/15/10 11:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My guess would be that the pressure at 10ft would be enough to implode the mycelial cells to the point that it would kill them. At a depth of 10 ft the pressure would be 4.3psi, much more than you need to make a mushroom bruise blue(which indicates cells rupturing).

If you dropped it down very gradually, sure, that might work... but how do you know how slowly you should drop it? Also, how the hell are you gonna drop it to 10 feet? Do you happen do have a 10 foot deep container that isn't full of chlorine or bacteria(e.g.: pool or lake)?


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    #13057120 - 08/15/10 11:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Bucket Dunk Tek [Re: tehshyt]
    #13057150 - 08/15/10 11:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Is it really worth that much effort? Why not just let them soak overnight instead of building a tower of cake-imploding buckets?


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    #13057192 - 08/15/10 11:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

How about exposing the cakes to a vacuum for a small amount of time and allowing the water to fill in the air that was removed. Like someone pointed out, this is a very forceful way of forcing moisture into the substrates but which would be more appropriate? I'm not in a position to experiment at the moment so I'm only offering ideas. I tend to find the other ways of seeing things.
If a marshmallow is put in a vacuum it will expand but a cake will allow the air to escape, which will allow water to enter when returned to normal atmosphere. I've seen easy ways to turn jars into vacuum chambers by making a valve with paper from the back of a postal label and pulling the air out with a cheap vacuum sealer.
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Re: Inverse thinking [Re: conformist]
    #13057388 - 08/16/10 12:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Why not use some sort of surfactant to make the water "wetter" and more readily available for absorption? I read a thread where Polysorbate 80 was used in the soaking process.

it took a little searching, but here is the link:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9372927#9372927

Wiki Polysorbate 80:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80

Also, in RR's videos, he uses dish soap as a surfactant to lessen the time needed to soak his straw for pasteurization. I'm not suggesting that you dunk your cakes in dishsoap/water, since i'm not all that sure about what it would do to the myc. I'm curious to see results. I see an experiment in my future. . .:grin:


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Re: Inverse thinking [Re: danstice]
    #13057478 - 08/16/10 01:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I submerge my cakes normally in 5 big gulp cups from 7/11(one in each cup) and a smaller cup with the hole and a small stone. A mini version of your tek.

I might go out and get 2 buckets like those now, though. Deeper and more space efficient.


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Re: Inverse thinking [Re: mukhail]
    #13058280 - 08/16/10 10:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I like the bucket tek because it's simple and convenient, but what possible point could there be to making it any more complex than that?

Ok, you accomplished an 8 hour hydration in 4 hours or a 4 hour soak in 2...so what?


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