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killuminati420
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Brown Naphtha & STB??? 1
#12090328 - 02/24/10 05:13 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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The first time i did a DMT extraction, i ordered pre-powdered...i used the STB tek pictorial EXACTLY what it said to do, and my VM&P Naphtha floated up BROWN pretty badly...Sometimes i couldnt even see where it was seperating... And when it did seperate enough to pull with a turkey baster(brownish reddish), it precip'd out a bunch of brown and red gunk with barely noticable crystals on the bottom... I had to do several sodium carbonate cleanings on this BROWN naphtha to get it clear enough to not freeze precip the gunk goop, but brown crystals formed(ALOT) and a re-xstalize with new naphtha got me clear crystals.... That powdered bark was POTENT too...wish i would have done A/B with it...i will never do STB with pre-powdered again Any input?
Edited by killuminati420 (02/24/10 06:13 PM)
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notapillow
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if it frozwe that means it was not naptha or at leased mixed with water what brand of naptha did you use
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Re: Brown Naphtha & STB??? [Re: notapillow]
#12090483 - 02/24/10 05:33 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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i've read about this brown naptha problem quite a bit and it seems to be a trait of using pre-powdered. try shredded or whole when ordering next time if you are planning an stb.
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killuminati420
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Re: Brown Naphtha & STB??? [Re: notapillow]
#12090516 - 02/24/10 05:37 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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i mean "precipitated"
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notapillow
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i have never seen that happen with powdered
it should stay clear. maybe a slight yellow color change.....but not brown and cloudy
somthing is wrong
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killuminati420
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Re: Brown Naphtha & STB??? [Re: notapillow]
#12090790 - 02/24/10 06:19 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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Something "was" wrong...it was my very first extraction attempts, and sodium carbonate did clean it up REALLY well along with a re-xstal...ever since then ive ordered whole....but im about to order a kilo of pre-powdered and if i get that problem ill just do A/B extractions...
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Harri


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killuminati420 said: Something "was" wrong...it was my very first extraction attempts, and sodium carbonate did clean it up REALLY well along with a re-xstal...ever since then ive ordered whole....but im about to order a kilo of pre-powdered and if i get that problem ill just do A/B extractions...
Could you point me in the direction of a good A/B tek, I have some powder and I don't want any complications
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killuminati420
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Re: Brown Naphtha & STB??? [Re: Harri]
#12091081 - 02/24/10 07:06 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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Well like notapillow said, he has never seen it happen...but a few other people and I have had it happen BAD so i don't know... Just simmer 50-100grams bark in water acidified with lemon juice or vinegar, until it evaporates down to a little bit and strain the liquids off through a paper towel into a qt sized jar...do that like 4 times or until you think ALL the DMT is fully simmered into the liquids in the qt jar....Add all the simmers to the jar and try to get the amount to be about 400ml's in the jar...Now add 50-100grams NaOH to 200ml's of water in another jar and wait and stir it until its FULLY dissolved...add that NaOH concentrated water to the mimosa mix slowly and test for PH if you can(should be 13.5)...(I heard adding NaOH straight kills some DMT)....wait a couple hours and add 150ml's VM&P naphtha and stir for 24hours, then let it seperate all the way and pull with a turkey baster as normal to freeze and recycle naphtha as normal ....i just thought of that as i read your reply...let me know if you actually do it
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killuminati420
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Or try out this non-toxic tek that dont require NaOH http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11776426 Or just look up all A/B extractions on the DMT Nexus A/B forum
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notapillow
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what amount of lye did u use per gram of bark?
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Harri


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Seems like it work. When you said you just thought of that, does that mean you just made that tek up? or has it been verified as successful by other users?
 Thanks alot man for writing that, looked like it took some time. +5
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killuminati420
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Re: Brown Naphtha & STB??? [Re: Harri]
#12091207 - 02/24/10 07:29 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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Thanks...I just thought of that off the top of my head when you asked for a good A/B tek...its real simple..i haven't tried it yet, but that is what im going to do on my next extract...tell me how it goes if you do it
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killuminati420
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But to get on topic, what is up with the brown naphtha and STB? What specifically is it ? Is the brown goop that gets precip'd still smokable or does it contain lye or something?
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with each pull your naphtha will get darker as the bark get thrashed by sitting in the lye longer and more goodies get released into the solvent. if you are careful not to skim anything other than the naphtha you should not have any lye. granted its gets harder and harder to distinguish the layers as time passes. remember to roll not shake depending on how violent you mix it, the longer it will take for the layers to separate.
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Edited by epicsessions (08/12/10 06:36 AM)
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killuminati420
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epicsessions said: with each pull your naphtha will get darker as the bark get thrashed by sitting in the lye longer and more goodies get released into the solvent. if you are careful not to skim anything other than the naphtha you should not have any lye. granted its gets harder and harder to distinguish the layers as time passes. remember to roll not shake depending on how violent you mix it, the longer it will take for the layers to separate.
no i mean its BROWN and precips a bunch of brown gunk....im actually oredring some more prepowdered,...and im doing A/B because of the same stupid problem
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You've let it sit for 5 months?
Do a sodium carbonate wash!
I've had brown-red naphtha before. Much darker than yours.
After a pinch of sodium carbonate and 5 100 mL additions of distilled water, it was sooooo clean.
The best DMT I've ever had as well. Color, taste, intensity.
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killuminati420
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Angel_Above said: You've let it sit for 5 months?
Do a sodium carbonate wash!
I've had brown-red naphtha before. Much darker than yours.
After a pinch of sodium carbonate and 5 100 mL additions of distilled water, it was sooooo clean.
The best DMT I've ever had as well. Color, taste, intensity.
lol...no..that was an old pic...even in my old house...lol...i did sodium carbonate washes on those exact jars and i got the most DMT i ever had out of an extraction...same here....it was the best dmt ive had...
somebody just bumped my thread
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Quote:
killuminati420 said:
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Angel_Above said: You've let it sit for 5 months?
Do a sodium carbonate wash!
I've had brown-red naphtha before. Much darker than yours.
After a pinch of sodium carbonate and 5 100 mL additions of distilled water, it was sooooo clean.
The best DMT I've ever had as well. Color, taste, intensity.
lol...no..that was an old pic...even in my old house...lol...i did sodium carbonate washes on those exact jars and i got the most DMT i ever had out of an extraction...same here....it was the best dmt ive had...
somebody just bumped my thread
Ah. I just saw you said "it's" so I figured you meant presently.
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Man...the black naphtha of death is such a pain in the ass. i don't think anyone knows why it happens exactly, only that its more common with prepowdered bark extractions
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