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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1366139 - 03/11/03 01:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

So you admit your ignorance? :smile:


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1367416 - 03/11/03 10:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

no,
but i will concede your's.
:smirk: 


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1396572 - 03/21/03 12:13 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

hahah


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1396767 - 03/21/03 03:12 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

IMy friend tried salt once, it killed the green, but it popped up elsewhere. But the place where the salt was never grew green. i hate trich.


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1588376 - 05/29/03 11:58 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

dam hippie3 man i wished i would have read this thread about 2 hours ago..when i threw away my casing!!! :frown:  it seems that trich and i have became best friends cause it comes to visit me on every casing. I have tried everything and my friend still comes back usually after the first flush i start to see him. I usually am on a 50/50 tek with a bottom layer.

Cant wait to see him again. I HAVE A SURPRISE FOR HIM


THANKS


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ps. Why does trich appear? I try to be pretty good at steralizing the work area with oven open and I lysol pretty much everything. Just wondering why this badboy keeps commin back..


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Robbyrob]
    #1624674 - 06/10/03 10:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

trich likes excessive moisture, excessive co2, and hates a high pH. it can be introduced a myriad of ways but most likely from YOU. your clothes, your hair, your fingernails, your breath... the cleaner you are the less likely it is you will run into trich.


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: debianlinux]
    #1630738 - 06/13/03 08:38 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

excessive co2? by this do you mean the air exchange in the terrarium?

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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Robbyrob]
    #1631471 - 06/13/03 04:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, in this case, poor fanning creates a stalled air environment where the co2 released from the mycelium, which is heavier than O2, gets collected at the bottom and goes building up. If you don't exchange the air, the mycelium will virtually suffocate, it decreases its metabolic functions, results are well known, from no pinning to very small fruit bodies and also being more prone to contamination. Trich and cobweb are two good examples.

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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: MAIA]
    #1643273 - 06/19/03 01:54 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Trich will commonly parasite fruit bodies - if it doesnt do this, then again is probably aspergilus.


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1643924 - 06/19/03 08:43 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

bluemeanie said:
Trich will commonly parasite fruit bodies - if it doesnt do this, then again is probably aspergilus.





lol
trich will parasitize mycellia, period. i've never seen it on anything but living tissue, but it need not be a fruitbody,
it will eat plain mycellia.
besides, like i said before,
who really cares what the exact species ID is ?
green mold is always bad, be it trich, aspergillis or pennicilum,
and salt kills them all.
not just green molds either, but all molds.
bacteria, too.
makes no matter which kind,
just so it works.
that's my view, at least.


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1644391 - 06/19/03 12:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Unless you are EXTREMELY patient and VERY careful when dealing with trich, throw it out immediateliy!!! It takes over your casings, cutting off mycelium from top and bottom and then begins to break down it's cell walls into a goo-y mass of clear gell.

One little dime-sized patch of forest green means it's already released it's spores everywhere in that casing.

Spot it early if at all possible, relocate that casing to a totally new environment, and cut it out while it's still light green, cutting _at least_ 1/2 an inch if not 1 full inch away from the infected area. Salt, recase. Spray H2O2 on it before you even begin to insure spores don't fly around as you handle it! If you can, still keep that casing away from the others until you know for sure it's gone.

Unless you've gotten really good at handling contams, then do it the way you know best!


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: c_mathimatics]
    #1647439 - 06/20/03 07:57 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

good advice.
i prefer to use a dilute mist of bleach water [200 parts water to 1 part household bleach] instead of peroxide, to mist the casing to kill any mold spores. bleach seems far more effective than peroxide, ime. we have many reports of good results battling contams using salt and bleach on file at mycotopia if anyone's interested in researching this topic further.

and bluemeanie,
please accept my apology for my previous post, i sound a bit peevish and
there was nothing in your post that warranted my response.


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1692597 - 07/07/03 11:04 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Probably a dumb question. Can we store peroxide/water or bleach/water solutions? Will the H2O2 or bleach break down after a while of being stored? It's hard for me to mix just small amounts; if I store them will they be okay several days/weeks later?


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: neutralizer]
    #1692801 - 07/07/03 01:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

once mixed, they need to be stored in opaque containers with a tight lid else peroxide completely breaks down in about a week and bleach in 24-48 hours. perixide breaks into water and oxygen, bleach breaks into water and salt.


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1716321 - 07/14/03 11:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

you can spray bleachwater right on your casing surface??? that seem like it would be somewhat poisonis


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: HarvestTheBrain]
    #1717525 - 07/15/03 07:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well, it ain't.
do some research.
start here-
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/10346.html?1048188759


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1726297 - 07/17/03 11:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i use this to store and apply peroxide solution. works unbelievably well.


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: debianlinux]
    #1729713 - 07/19/03 08:07 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

thanks debianlinux, defenitly have to get one of those


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: cd666cd]
    #1730540 - 07/19/03 06:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

nice link,
linux.
thx


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Re: the use of salt in fighting trich [Re: Hippie3]
    #1749492 - 07/25/03 10:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No need to apologize Hippie. I was being an anus as usual :smile: I remember a friend was working at a mushroom farm and i was quite surprised when he told me that they combat pretty much most contaminants with salt - and they will sometimes harvest off partially contaminated substrates.


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