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strangedays_indeed
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Mimosa Hostilis Shipping
#13040967 - 08/12/10 11:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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whats up, hope everyone is well. im new to posting on this forum, but have lurked it for a while yada yada.
ive been doing research for the past few days about the laws surrounding mimosa hostilis rootbark in the US. i am experienced with the down side of the law, and do not want to repeat that time in my life, thus i am being as cautious as possible with my endeavors now a days.
so, i have some mhrb at a friends house, about 20 hours away from my current home. i would like the have it to make dyes for clothing and use it to treat my burns.
if i were to carry it onto a greyhound bus (in a suitcase or something), what do you think the likely hood of security making a fuss about it (maybe not knowing what it is, etc.) or thinking it is a illegal substance, which it IS NOT.
i know that it is uncontrolled, but i do NOT want to be put in jail or even remotely hassled for trying to take my bark via bus.
i plan on having a binder full of the legal information about mimosa hostilis and its legal status, disclaimers about it being not for human consumption, etc. etc.
ive never taken the bus so i dont know if the security is the vigilante type who would see that and call the local LE officers.
im just trying to avoid a sticky situation, ive had enough of those in the past years with the very flawed legal system that we are a part of here. any advise, yay or neigh, would be awesome.
~ thanks so much for the help, peace and + energy ~
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Edited by strangedays_indeed (08/23/10 09:47 AM)
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why not just have it shipped? are you really going to take a 20 hour bus ride there just to pick up the root bark? If your going there to visit and just want to take it back with you, ship it home anyway and dont worry about it.
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: Hoobashank]
#13043326 - 08/12/10 07:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow.
didnt even cross my mind, ahahaha. yeah shipping it seems so much less of a risk now that i think about it more. it was shipped from mexico so im sure shipping through two states would be alot less risky.
ok, thats a good plan; but which company is the least nosey and most lax about sending unidentified packages?
my plan is to just put it into a box and ship to a home address... anyone have better ideas.
i know that it is legitimately unscheduled right now but its a decent amount of it and i just want absolutely NO trouble.
so... what company, i'd think USPS would be the worst idea...
ok thanks so much ~
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Use USPS.
Read this thread:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7724870/fpart/all
Unless you act sketchy I doubt anyone will care if you have root bark. Its just a plant. I wouldn't go out of my way to let them know which plant it is though.
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strangedays_indeed
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ok great! nice thread link thanks for the help. im just a bit skeptical of things.
you'd recommend using USPS over a private company (UPS, FEDEX etc.) is it safer?
and how should i go about packaging this in a very non nonchalant manner? ie. should i package it alone, with some white shirts for dying, etc.?
i dont like to be so naggy / paranoid but i was to ensure that nothing goes wrong while shipping this package?
any sugestions on what to package it in / the best carrier to use ?
thanks so much for the help !
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Send it first class or priority and they can't open it without a warrant.
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: Stonehenge]
#13094138 - 08/24/10 05:33 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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> any sugestions on what to package it in / the best carrier to use ?
I'm assuming that what you are shipping is legal. Use USPS and pack it like you would anything else. Do not do anything special. Be sure you have a valid return address on the package. Don't go overboard taping it up or making it difficult to open. Since you are shipping an incense ingredient, I would recommend shipping some other incense ingredients in the same package, such as frankincense resin, sandalwood, pine needles, etc.
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: Seuss]
#13094142 - 08/24/10 05:37 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dont sell DMT and you will not have a problem... and keep your clothes on if your a a noob smoking it, So you dont run outside naked,,
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: orison]
#13104917 - 08/26/10 11:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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"> any sugestions on what to package it in / the best carrier to use ?
I'm assuming that what you are shipping is legal. Use USPS and pack it like you would anything else. Do not do anything special. Be sure you have a valid return address on the package. Don't go overboard taping it up or making it difficult to open. Since you are shipping an incense ingredient, I would recommend shipping some other incense ingredients in the same package, such as frankincense resin, sandalwood, pine needles, etc. "
If they need a warrant to open it, why bother sending other incense ingredients? That would be irrelevant even if they did open it. MHRB does not have a strong smell so masking odor would not be a factor either. Use usps and go first class or priority. Parcel post or express do not have the same protections nor does mail going over the border. Good point about the valid return addy. They sometimes check that.
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: Stonehenge]
#13108630 - 08/27/10 05:14 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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> If they need a warrant to open it, why bother sending other incense ingredients?
To ensure that there is no misunderstanding on intent.
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: Seuss]
#13108824 - 08/27/10 06:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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ya just mail it...
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: P-O]
#13110204 - 08/27/10 02:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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>To ensure that there is no misunderstanding on intent.
Either they seize it because it's on a banned list or they don't. Spending good money to send other items with it is not going to make any difference. If they have to get a warrant to open it, that is your best protection. Do that and forget sending a bunch of other stuff with it. First class usps or priority only. You could have them label it dye or craft materials but i doubt it will make any difference. Labeling it the rootbark of another plant might help. They will probably be looking for obviously illegal things anyway or have a tip.
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: Stonehenge]
#13111444 - 08/27/10 07:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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> Spending good money to send other items with it is not going to make any difference.
I feel that a few bucks spent on other items, which I will use anyway, as a bit of risk mitigation, is money well spent. And it might make a difference... if some asshole decides to prosecute because of the n,n-DMT in the root bark, then the other items provide an out via mens rea. I seem to recall a huge post between you and John on that subject, so I shouldn't need to explain.
You claim the items make no difference... then using the same logic, it shouldn't matter if I ship the root bark with instructions on how to extract n,n-DMT along with a copy of Title 28. For a prosecutor trying to show intent, certainly you can see that one of these methods is better than the other... and if so, then obviously it does (or perhaps 'can' is a better word) make a difference.
> Labeling it the rootbark of another plant might help.
Unless it is going through customs, you don't have to label it at all. If it is going through customs, I would avoid anything agricultural as those items are often destroyed (due to worry about spread of crop pests). I don't know if root bark would fall in this category or not, but why take the chance when "incense" works fine.
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Re: Mimosa Hostilis + Greyhound [Re: Seuss]
#13113482 - 08/28/10 09:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Including instructions on how to extract dmt would be proof of illegal intent, in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of the jury. Unfortunately, instructions on how to make dye or incense would just be a likely story. It would not hurt to include such a set of instructions. It would be cheaper than sending sandlewood or other expensive incense items which your source probably will not carry. Plus shipping on all those items. We are talking about domestic shipping which requires a warrant to open. Since a dog will not alert to mhrb, if they have a warrant they already know what you are up to and tossing in some nag champa is not going to get you off the hook, sorry. You can tell it to the judge and jury, show them the incense and hope it makes a rats ass of difference.
IMO, the best defense is to not get the package opened in the first place using usps first class or priority. I do like the idea of instructions sent with it on making incense or dye. Cheap and provides you the same defense. My point is the cost benefit ratio.
-------------------- “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835) Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755
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