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MyceliumDelirium
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Just a couple of rookie questions...
#13037649 - 08/11/10 04:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I inoculated my first PF tek jars the other day and I have a few questions about incubation... Today i noticed that 6 of my 12 jars are starting to show mycelium development at the innoc points (wooohooo! success so far =D) I keep them in a tub inside another tub. The bottom tub has water which i keep an aquarium heater in on its highest setting and this keeps my jars at a constant 80 degrees.
My main question Im looking to have answered is, approx how long will it take for my jars to fully colonize at 80 degrees? Would they colonize dramatically faster if i raised the temp to 85 degrees?
Here are some pics of my incubation setup...
12 PF jars and 2 LC's
aquarium heater
mycelium development SHIIIIIIIIIT YES!! hehehe
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theshroom
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You could always just lose the heater and put em on your closet shelf. :p
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LeopardMan
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2-3 weeks. Do not go over 80 degrees. And take the foil off.
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rflnc
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: theshroom]
#13037687 - 08/11/10 04:59 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you're also supposed to take the foil off(provided you followed the tek and have a verm barrier.) As far as incubating, room temp is good. any hotter and your chance of contamination greatly increases.
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: rflnc]
#13037771 - 08/11/10 05:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let them breathe. And try to leave them alone.
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MyceliumDelirium
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: rflnc]
#13037774 - 08/11/10 05:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I knew was prolly making some kinda rookie mistake lol, taking foil off after this post... As far as just putting them on my closet shelf, doesn't seem as practical to me. One reason being that it's hot as hell outside and my thermostat keeps the AC around 69-70 lol. I like it cold. I figure the drop in temp will be perfect for when I fruit my cakes... Also, when I get to that point, do you guys suggest dunking and rolling? Is the increase in yield substantial enough to warrant the extra step or should I just put em straight in the terrarium after birthing??
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Its well worth the extra step.
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I have the exact same temps that you are describing: 80 degrees for incubation (I use an aquarium heater as well) and 68-70 ambient temp. Innoc'd 12 1/2 pints exactly 5 weeks ago (a little long IMO) and some of them are a few days from harvest. It very well may take you less time, depending on how good your strain is, but seeing as how we have pretty much the same conditions, expecting 3-4 weeks is reasonable. Keep it at 80 degrees, it won't speed them up to bump the temp and as said earlier, room temp works fine (find the warmest place in your house, luckily that is usually in a high, inconspicuous place anyways).
I found that 68-70 may not be "optimal" for fruiting, but it is working just fine for me - I assume you are using a SGFC. And yes, dunk at room temp for 12-24 hours (I made the mistake of dunking in the fridge once) and roll. Also, you can try fruiting some a week after full colonization, but try waiting for pins to form in a few of the jars before fruiting and see how that goes.
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MyceliumDelirium
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: Schmo]
#13038042 - 08/11/10 06:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Schmo said: I have the exact same temps that you are describing: 80 degrees for incubation (I use an aquarium heater as well) and 68-70 ambient temp. Innoc'd 12 1/2 pints exactly 5 weeks ago (a little long IMO) and some of them are a few days from harvest. It very well may take you less time, depending on how good your strain is, but seeing as how we have pretty much the same conditions, expecting 3-4 weeks is reasonable. Keep it at 80 degrees, it won't speed them up to bump the temp and as said earlier, room temp works fine (find the warmest place in your house, luckily that is usually in a high, inconspicuous place anyways).
I found that 68-70 may not be "optimal" for fruiting, but it is working just fine for me - I assume you are using a SGFC. And yes, dunk at room temp for 12-24 hours (I made the mistake of dunking in the fridge once) and roll. Also, you can try fruiting some a week after full colonization, but try waiting for pins to form in a few of the jars before fruiting and see how that goes.
Gracias... You lead me to another question however. You say that dunking in a fridge was a mistake. How come? I was under the impression that putting them in the fridge serves to cold shock the cakes.
As far as my FC, I was planning to use a seed starting tray filled with about 3 inches of perlite and topped with an 8 inch tall humidity dome. The dome has vents on the top and allows for GE at the bottom as well where it sit sits on the tray... Should I still shotgun the dome with holes?
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No need to cold shock cubensis, it's tropical. Some other species like it or require it.
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MyceliumDelirium
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: Doc_T]
#13038076 - 08/11/10 06:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: No need to cold shock cubensis, it's tropical. Some other species like it or require it.
Ah ok cool... So dunking and rolling basically just serves to rehydrate and add a casing layer to the cakes?
That's actually kindo of a relief to me since i can conceal cakes dunked in room temp water easier than in a fridge lol
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Who do you conceal cakes from? How are you hiding your fc?
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Schmo said: I have the exact same temps that you are describing: 80 degrees for incubation (I use an aquarium heater as well) and 68-70 ambient temp. Innoc'd 12 1/2 pints exactly 5 weeks ago (a little long IMO) and some of them are a few days from harvest. It very well may take you less time, depending on how good your strain is, but seeing as how we have pretty much the same conditions, expecting 3-4 weeks is reasonable. Keep it at 80 degrees, it won't speed them up to bump the temp and as said earlier, room temp works fine (find the warmest place in your house, luckily that is usually in a high, inconspicuous place anyways).
I found that 68-70 may not be "optimal" for fruiting, but it is working just fine for me - I assume you are using a SGFC. And yes, dunk at room temp for 12-24 hours (I made the mistake of dunking in the fridge once) and roll. Also, you can try fruiting some a week after full colonization, but try waiting for pins to form in a few of the jars before fruiting and see how that goes.
Gracias... You lead me to another question however. You say that dunking in a fridge was a mistake. How come? I was under the impression that putting them in the fridge serves to cold shock the cakes.
As far as my FC, I was planning to use a seed starting tray filled with about 3 inches of perlite and topped with an 8 inch tall humidity dome. The dome has vents on the top and allows for GE at the bottom as well where it sit sits on the tray... Should I still shotgun the dome with holes?
What DocT said. I grew 7 years ago, and back then, although I never did cakes, I remember cold shocking was recommended. Starting to get back into the hobby and that information has disappeared... for good reason. I dunked cakes in the fridge recently and I believe it slowed their growth.
Dunno about the FC w/o pics, and the other more experienced cultivators would have a better answer for you. Sounds like it could work. I guess in my mind as long as you have the same amount of space to allow FAE as RR's SGFC (1/4" holes spaced 2 inches apart) you will be fine. Just remember area of cirles is (pi)R^2 so a hole w/ a 1 inch radius is 1(pi)square inches while 2 inch radius is 4(pi) square inches. Basically, if you drill 1/2" diameter holes, they will be the same as four 1/4" diameter holes. So, if 1/4" holes should be 2" apart, you would want 1/2" holes 8" (2"x4) apart.
The more experienced guys around here could probably tell you why that wouldn't do as well, but to me it makes sense. Just get an estimate of how much space you have allowing FAE in and if you think you need more, drill some holes.
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IME, both cold-shocking and incubating at higher temps are outdated teks that are unneeded. Unless your grow area is usually below 60* F, heating during colonization is pointless. I've not seen any difference between jars grown at 65 and 80 degrees. Fruiting is usually improved by slightly lower temps, but cold-shocking does not "fool" the cakes into pinning more. I keep temps in the low-to-mid 70's for the whole process, and have great results. Awesome pinning comes from good genetics and good environment, not just one or the other. Get that agar tek down!
From start to finish, we are trying to mimic nature. The climate that cubensis thrives in out in the real world does not go from 80 degrees to 50 in a matter of moments.
Also, GE and FAE are not the same thing. An easy thing to get mixed up. Gas exchange is what you want during colonization; tiny holes that just allow a little bit of molecular exchange between inside and outside. Free air exchange is what you want in an FC; actual free-flowing air, bringing in O2 and taking out the Co2 that mushrooms produce. Mycelium likes a higher Co2 content, mushrooms like more O2.
A minor quibble, granted, but the devil is in the details. Just build a shotgun. By far the best "bang for your buck" FC. When set up and run properly, being away from home for 8-10 hrs is no problem.
Best of grows to you!
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MyceliumDelirium
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: mathias]
#13038671 - 08/11/10 08:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Who do you conceal cakes from? How are you hiding your fc?
Concealing the fc is not a problem, I pretty much keep everything in my room, but putting stuff in my fridge is a bit different... My parents and sister visit my apartment frequently and I babysit for my sisters kids alot. They know I use psychedelics but if they knew I was manufacturing them lol, I dunno if i would be able to explain that I was growing for personal use and not selling.
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mathias said: IME, both cold-shocking and incubating at higher temps are outdated teks that are unneeded. Unless your grow area is usually below 60* F, heating during colonization is pointless. I've not seen any difference between jars grown at 65 and 80 degrees. Fruiting is usually improved by slightly lower temps, but cold-shocking does not "fool" the cakes into pinning more. I keep temps in the low-to-mid 70's for the whole process, and have great results. Awesome pinning comes from good genetics and good environment, not just one or the other. Get that agar tek down!
From start to finish, we are trying to mimic nature. The climate that cubensis thrives in out in the real world does not go from 80 degrees to 50 in a matter of moments.
Also, GE and FAE are not the same thing. An easy thing to get mixed up. Gas exchange is what you want during colonization; tiny holes that just allow a little bit of molecular exchange between inside and outside. Free air exchange is what you want in an FC; actual free-flowing air, bringing in O2 and taking out the Co2 that mushrooms produce. Mycelium likes a higher Co2 content, mushrooms like more O2.
A minor quibble, granted, but the devil is in the details. Just build a shotgun. By far the best "bang for your buck" FC. When set up and run properly, being away from home for 8-10 hrs is no problem.
Best of grows to you!
Thanks for the info! Im learning alot in a condensed period of time lol. Actually already knew the diff between GE and FAE, just got the terminology mixed up.
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Just to be clear, you are NOT manufacturing anything. Nature is manufacturing a gift for you. You are simply allowing that to happen in your home.
There is no shame in accepting the things mother nature gives us, no matter what the law and society try to tell us. I would have that talk with with your niggahs asap, so they know what page your on. If they find out before you have 'the talk' they're gonna be all wailing at the top of their lungs and tearing at their clothes saying 'WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!!AARAGGAHHHARG!!'
I'm serious, dude.
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: Fungal-one]
#13038757 - 08/11/10 09:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fungal-one said: Just to be clear, you are NOT manufacturing anything. Nature is manufacturing a gift for you. You are simply allowing that to happen in your home.
There is no shame in accepting the things mother nature gives us, no matter what the law and society try to tell us. I would have that talk with with your niggahs asap, so they know what page your on. If they find out before you have 'the talk' they're gonna be all wailing at the top of their lungs and tearing at their clothes saying 'WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!!AARAGGAHHHARG!!'
I'm serious, dude.
Eh, I dunno. I would say don't tell them... don't tell anyone, especially those who have no clue about the hobby. 1st, they still won't understand. 2nd, they won't know how important it is to NOT tell people. Telling anyone is a bad idea. Would you rather they find out the hard way and say, "We don't even know you!!" or have them say, "That's our boy!" as you're carted off to jail?
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: Schmo]
#13038808 - 08/11/10 09:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Schmo said:
Eh, I dunno. I would say don't tell them... don't tell anyone, especially those who have no clue about the hobby. 1st, they still won't understand. 2nd, they won't know how important it is to NOT tell people. Telling anyone is a bad idea. Would you rather they find out the hard way and say, "We don't even know you!!" or have them say, "That's our boy!" as you're carted off to jail?
You misunderstand me. You don't go and tell them you're growing shrooms, you acquaint them with your beliefs so they aren't surprised if they find them. Although relatives that close should already know. Anyone that would be in my fridge knows me pretty well and aren't going to be shocked by anything they stumble across. My parents for sure would not be surprised. Luckily I realised at any early age that my parents weren't going to kill me and at some point I would be to old to boss around, so I stayed pretty honest with them. My mother took well to this my stepdad, not so much. My mom was always honest in return. For instance instead of saying 'drugs are bad m'kay' she said 'drugs are okay if they don't fuck up your life' I wasnt allowed to openly get high in front of them until I was taking care of myself out of their house. But, point being, you get the point.
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: Fungal-one]
#13038909 - 08/11/10 09:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fungal-one said:
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Schmo said:
Eh, I dunno. I would say don't tell them... don't tell anyone, especially those who have no clue about the hobby. 1st, they still won't understand. 2nd, they won't know how important it is to NOT tell people. Telling anyone is a bad idea. Would you rather they find out the hard way and say, "We don't even know you!!" or have them say, "That's our boy!" as you're carted off to jail?
You misunderstand me. You don't go and tell them you're growing shrooms, you acquaint them with your beliefs so they aren't surprised if they find them. Although relatives that close should already know. Anyone that would be in my fridge knows me pretty well and aren't going to be shocked by anything they stumble across. My parents for sure would not be surprised. Luckily I realised at any early age that my parents weren't going to kill me and at some point I would be to old to boss around, so I stayed pretty honest with them. My mother took well to this my stepdad, not so much. My mom was always honest in return. For instance instead of saying 'drugs are bad m'kay' she said 'drugs are okay if they don't fuck up your life' I wasnt allowed to openly get high in front of them until I was taking care of myself out of their house. But, point being, you get the point.
Ok, I did misunderstand you a little. But I would still be cautious with how much you talk about it. There are many people who are close enough to go into my fridge, but I don't think they need to know about my interest in mushrooms. In fact, since I started growing, I have talked about the general topic of mushrooms significantly less. There are only very few people that NEED to know, and that's usually limited to the people you LIVE with. In the end, to each his own... if you feel it is in your best interest for others to know about your fascination with shrooms, then go ahead and tell them. I just think that any chance of anyone getting a clue that you are growing should be avoided.
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MyceliumDelirium
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Re: Just a couple of rookie questions... [Re: Fungal-one]
#13039029 - 08/11/10 09:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOL well in my case it's a bit more complicated... I've already had the talk with my parents about my usage of psychedelics, and they understand that they are a pathway for my understanding of spirituality. They are fine with me using psychedelics under the stipulation that it is not right in their faces. In other words, outta sight outta mind.
But really a more direct reason i dont want them knowing Im growing is simply because I know the way they think. I put them through hell during my teen experimentation years and if they found a grow operation they would think I was turning into some crazy drug addict all over again lol. I mean, they know I do shrooms and what not, but im sure they think i just buy it occasionally, ya know. But whatever!
Tripping is a way of life so if they did find out it wouldnt be the end of the world! Hell I'm 25, its not like they can ship my ass off to rehab anymore lol
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