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Plants to offset co2 in chamber
    #13035982 - 08/11/10 11:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hi,
First time, wondering if putting a medium sized house plant (that doesnt require direct sunlight to photosynthesize) in the chamber would be beneficial. I know this has been covered before, I understand that at night plants produce co2 but Im planning on doing this only during the day because Im not home to fan out the excess co2. Just looking to offset it for while Im gone during the day.

Think it would be beneficial? The tank is in indirect sunlight for about 8-10 hours a day, and I have a medium sized plant in a small pot that wont mind the humidity. No bugs either. What are your thoughts?
Oh, and two half pint brf cakes.

Thanks

Edited by FLuxuate (08/11/10 11:41 AM)

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: FLuxuate]
    #13036049 - 08/11/10 11:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm no expert, but wouldn't that bring in a whole load of contaminants?

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: FLuxuate]
    #13036053 - 08/11/10 11:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a bad idea.  You don't know whats crawling around in the plant's soil or on the plant itself.  Where did it come from?  Has it been sitting out in your house?  Mold spores could be on the leaves or in the dirt or there could be bacteria living in the soil that could escape into your substrate.

Just fan it and use the shotgun tek for FAE.  You don't need to get all the CO2 out of the chamber.  Especially for your first time, just follow a tek.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Issius]
    #13036098 - 08/11/10 11:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Plants use CO2 to create sugars, and later produces oxygen. Both being beneficial to shroomies.

I'd try it definitely, and I'm pretty sure someone already has. But maybe with a small plant that quickly grows and can have root in the perlite, sucking up it's himidity. Similar to a seed in a paper towel.


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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: FLuxuate]
    #13036134 - 08/11/10 12:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

one word ..TRICHODERMA


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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13036156 - 08/11/10 12:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

if you can find a mycorrhizal fungi that produces psylocybin i'd say go ahead. But you would have a BUTLOAD more work to do to create the right parameters for growth and symbiotic relationships, ward off contaminants and your chance of screwing up is that much higher.

If you feel that it's absolutely necessary to supplement your shrooms with O2 go into any industrial welding supply shop and buy a tank of O2. First expenses are going to be LARGE, but the refills are cheap.

I suppose you could set up a "sealed grow chamber" that has no fresh air exchange, but maintains a steady level of O2 while eliminating CO2 buildup. I don't have a clue how that would work out, i would be interested to see something like that.
Not that there is the need for a sealed chamber, i'm just wondering why you need to supplement O2 if fresh air exchange does just that for you?


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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13036177 - 08/11/10 12:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well its in its own pot, and the cakes are pretty resistant to contamination once they are fully colonized i believe. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but they are only susceptible to contaminants when they are colonizing in their jar.

Im mainly concerned about the gas exchange. Would it be beneficial or pointless? Any expert opinion would be great. Im not trying to spend any money on a professional grow. Just hobby, and only putting the plant in there while im gone to help offset the co2. Not trying to create any symbiotic relationships.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: rave420]
    #13036190 - 08/11/10 12:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

From what I've read on this board, it wouldn't convert NEARLY enough CO2 and would add an extra contamination risk.  Always thought it was an interesting idea, but IMHO a SGFC in a room with a fan running will be more productive and less risky.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Schmo]
    #13036207 - 08/11/10 12:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

thanks, yeah thats what i read, but i figure that some co2 offset is better than none right? at least for the period of time where i wont be able to fan it out. I dont really want to invest in a fan or anything.

Not so worried about contamination, the small amount of soil in the pot is nowhere near the perlite or the cakes.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: FLuxuate]
    #13036234 - 08/11/10 12:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #13036303 - 08/11/10 12:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

why the surprised face ricky? and what about trichoderma?

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: FLuxuate]
    #13036422 - 08/11/10 01:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"Invest" in a $10 desk fan?  If you're that tight on money, how did you get to this point?

If I understand the concept correctly, FAE is more about circulation of air than CO2/O2 conversion.  I have also read that evaporation is a major pinning trigger.  A plant will not provide this.  I would say that even if you decide to use a plant, it is still a good idea to have a fan circulating air as well. 

I am frequently gone all day... I mist before I leave (maybe fan a little if I feel like it) and mist again when I get home.  I just have a small fan pushing air in the same viscinity as my FC's.  I have casings and cakes pinning right now.  BTW, I live in a desert and still have good enough RH.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Schmo]
    #13036488 - 08/11/10 01:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

yes, dick. a ten dollar desk fan is too expensive.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: FLuxuate]
    #13036539 - 08/11/10 01:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Wow... check the attitude.  I offered the best advice I had - you're welcome.  Since my response isn't what you wanted to hear...

Yes, your plant will provide plenty of O2 and FAE and will absolutely not add any risk of contams.  There is no need to look into a fan.  This is exactly why so many trusted cultivators use plants in their grow areas.  Your idea is pure genius and I think you've convinced me to start doing the exact same thing.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Schmo]
    #13036665 - 08/11/10 01:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

A household plant will not work...well.

Will you be able to grow shrooms with a plant in the same container?  Possibly.
Will you increase your chances of contamination and other unforseen problems?  God yes.
Are you experienced enough to read your mycelium and fruits and be able to tell if they are doing well, or what they need changed?  Doubtful.

The point is, plants are simply not a good idea.  Other things might work out like some symbiotic fungi that were mentioned.  However, there's no real reason to introduce so much room for failure if you haven't even grown something successfully yet.

I don't want to say don't try it, because experiments are always good and you can learn something.  But right now, just stick to a tek.  Fan/mist as much as you can and you'll be fine.  Don't put your plant in the container.


Also, you mentioned that colonized substrate is harder to contam.  It certainly is, but its still possible.  Check out some other grows that became contaminated well after full substrate colonization and see for yourself.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: FLuxuate]
    #13036717 - 08/11/10 02:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Placing plants into a fruiting chamber will not produce enough O2 for the mushrooms to receive any benefit from them being in there. And on the flip side, the mycelium will produce much more CO2 than the plants can metabolize. Also, the plants don't do well in the high humidity, and that will invite bugs and other contamination.


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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Schmo]
    #13036736 - 08/11/10 02:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

any one who has read a book or two an studied would tell u its a good idea. How do u think mushrooms grow outside. I wouldn't worry about contams . The only thing I would do different is put that plant next to casings.
It's a good idea . Let us know how it works out.
I'm just wondering Wat kind of plan u got. Nothing that would release pollen or air particles I'd hope. Also plants don't attract bugs. Unless fruits are growing on it.  It's the soil being used that attracts them.  Unless ur talking about flowers .  Gnats in particular love the smell of potting soil. I had the problem . But if ur house is bug free I see no problem


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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Anarchyfest]
    #13036785 - 08/11/10 02:09 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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any one who has read a book or two an studied would tell u its a good idea. How do u think mushrooms grow outside. I wouldn't worry about contams . The only thing I would do different is put that plant next to casings.
It's a good idea . Let us know how it works out.
I'm just wondering Wat kind of plan u got. Nothing that would release pollen or air particles I'd hope




If I've read correctly, it works outside because of the unlimited amount of FAE that provides protection from contams.  Without FAE, contams will be able to settle and ruin a grow.  That's why I recommended to at least use a fan if he chooses to introduce other, unknown organisms that will come with a plant.  The idea is a solid one, but IMO too complicated to get right.

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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Schmo]
    #13036858 - 08/11/10 02:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If putting plants in the grow room worked, people would do it.
Lots of people ask about it. Nobody reports back.

That's all you need to know, right there.


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Re: Plants to offset co2 in chamber [Re: Doc_T]
    #13037221 - 08/11/10 03:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If your not going to put it in the chamber, at least put it in the room or close to your babies.

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