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RCMP at my door
#13035791 - 08/11/10 10:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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So my shipment from Sporeworks got intercepted by the RCMP and they decided to show up at my place I got off with a warning, just a heads up my fellow canadians importing spores from the states :/
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That must have made your day take a downward turn.
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Indeed it did, I was looking at a year just for the spores but I was able to pass it off as sporeworks shipping me the wrong stuff when I ordered King Oyster spores ^.^
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Wow, I guess I would say that address is burned for growing anything now. At least you didn't leave in handcuffs.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: dokunai]
#13037970 - 08/11/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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why the fuck are spores illegal in canada?
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You didn't order prints did you...
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since when are spores illegal in canada?
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I just read the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, and it didn't mention shit about spores. You should have told them that they tampered with private mail and you have a good mind to call the cops and have them arrested. Then you should have gotten their names and sued them. Also, complaining to their supervisors would be good. Raise hell, man. 
Searching on the Department of Justice Canada for spores and mushrooms comes up essentially empty: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SimpleSearch
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: nooneman]
#13040187 - 08/12/10 05:00 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I just read the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, and it didn't mention shit about spores. You should have told them that they tampered with private mail and you have a good mind to call the cops and have them arrested. Then you should have gotten their names and sued them. Also, complaining to their supervisors would be good. Raise hell, man. 
Searching on the Department of Justice Canada for spores and mushrooms comes up essentially empty: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SimpleSearch
Uh, they are the cops, or did you miss that part?
And could you please elaborate on what grounds you would sue them for?
This post and ones like them just feed misinformation and ignorance, please don't post things like this without atleast citing the law you rely upon so people at least can decide for themselves if your claims make sense.
Regardless, lets say spores aren't banned in Canada, so what? How does this mean he should make an ass of himself? You think rolling papers are illegal? You think that helps when they charge you with possession of drug paraphernalia or possession of drugs?
People need to get over this notion they have that if something isn't prohibited per se that this means they cannot be charged due to or as a result of them possessing it. This has never been the case, ever, and the sooner people realize this the sooner they start making better decisions (like not making an ass of yourself after you've ordered materials to manufacture controlled substances)
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: johnm214]
#13042566 - 08/12/10 05:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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nooneman said: I just read the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, and it didn't mention shit about spores. You should have told them that they tampered with private mail and you have a good mind to call the cops and have them arrested. Then you should have gotten their names and sued them. Also, complaining to their supervisors would be good. Raise hell, man. 
Searching on the Department of Justice Canada for spores and mushrooms comes up essentially empty: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SimpleSearch
Uh, they are the cops, or did you miss that part?
And could you please elaborate on what grounds you would sue them for?
This post and ones like them just feed misinformation and ignorance, please don't post things like this without atleast citing the law you rely upon so people at least can decide for themselves if your claims make sense.
Regardless, lets say spores aren't banned in Canada, so what? How does this mean he should make an ass of himself? You think rolling papers are illegal? You think that helps when they charge you with possession of drug paraphernalia or possession of drugs?
People need to get over this notion they have that if something isn't prohibited per se that this means they cannot be charged due to or as a result of them possessing it. This has never been the case, ever, and the sooner people realize this the sooner they start making better decisions (like not making an ass of yourself after you've ordered materials to manufacture controlled substances)
He can't be charged for it, and they opened his mail. As far as I know, you can't just open random people's mail in Canada, even if you are a cop. What are the cops going to do, arrest him for nothing? Bullshit. It's your kind of misinformation that's wrong, this guy needs to stand the fuck up for himself and his rights. They had no right to open his mail, he should raise hell. They can't charge him with possession of anything, because he didn't have anything illegal. Read the fucking law before posting next time, newb.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: johnm214]
#13042743 - 08/12/10 05:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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under johns theory, driving a car may as well be illegal. because you might attempt be attempting a hit and run everytime you get into it.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: danielx]
#13045016 - 08/13/10 05:24 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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danielx said: under johns theory, driving a car may as well be illegal. because you might attempt be attempting a hit and run everytime you get into it.
Please explain how you derive this from what I've said.
Despite yourself, you may have made an interesting point though- the situation isn't so distinct from that which we have here: the fact that a car and teh driving of it aren't per se prohibited doesn't mean you have nothing to fear of the law when operating one. Likewise, just because a spore syringe is not per se prohibited does not mean it cannot be used to convict you or raid your pad. A "legal" item doesn't somehow prevent prosecution all acts associated with it, a point contrary to the message of some on these boards.
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nooneman said: I just read the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, and it didn't mention shit about spores. You should have told them that they tampered with private mail and you have a good mind to call the cops and have them arrested. Then you should have gotten their names and sued them. Also, complaining to their supervisors would be good. Raise hell, man. 
Searching on the Department of Justice Canada for spores and mushrooms comes up essentially empty: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SimpleSearch
Uh, they are the cops, or did you miss that part?
And could you please elaborate on what grounds you would sue them for?
This post and ones like them just feed misinformation and ignorance, please don't post things like this without atleast citing the law you rely upon so people at least can decide for themselves if your claims make sense.
Regardless, lets say spores aren't banned in Canada, so what? How does this mean he should make an ass of himself? You think rolling papers are illegal? You think that helps when they charge you with possession of drug paraphernalia or possession of drugs?
People need to get over this notion they have that if something isn't prohibited per se that this means they cannot be charged due to or as a result of them possessing it. This has never been the case, ever, and the sooner people realize this the sooner they start making better decisions (like not making an ass of yourself after you've ordered materials to manufacture controlled substances)
He can't be charged for it, and they opened his mail. As far as I know, you can't just open random people's mail in Canada, even if you are a cop. What are the cops going to do, arrest him for nothing? Bullshit. It's your kind of misinformation that's wrong, this guy needs to stand the fuck up for himself and his rights. They had no right to open his mail, he should raise hell. They can't charge him with possession of anything, because he didn't have anything illegal. Read the fucking law before posting next time, newb.
I see you disagree and yet you've neglected to answer the questions posed to you. I suspect that's because you can't answer them, because your claim is wrong.
Your latest post asserts again that cops can't just open people's mail. Once again I ask "so what?" You might feel better whilst sitting in jail knowing that some cop broke the law, but I wouldn't, and in no case will such knowledge assist you in obtaining your release. Anyways, I doubt the inspection of the package was at all illegal under the circumstances, though it doesn't seem we have enough knowledge to judge this, which makes your assurances particularly irresponsible even if your later claims of legality et cet were true.
The remainder of your post makes such claims as "they can't charge him with possession of anything, because he didn't have anything illegal" and advises me to "read the fucking law before posting next time, newb". Ignoring th ad hominem, the point seems to be that the spore syringe is not illegal, which certainly isn't true. Even ignoring this claim, however; the point is irrelevant. As I said previously, just because something isn't per se prohibited doesn't mean its possession cannot constitute an offense under the circumstances nor does it mean it can not be tendered as establishing some element of an offense or establishing evidence of an offense. As such, even if we presume the syringe is "legal", this hardly matters. As a practical matter, I seriously doubt the original poster or the average syringe-orderer would come out well after having a search warrant executed on the premises to which the syringe was ordered.
Laws prohibiting criminal tools, drug paraphernalia (the laws a bit different in Canada I believe than the general ones in the states), manufacturing, et cet could all be used to convict someone recieving a spore syringe, and its best not to make a conspicious ass of yourself. Most people would be a search warrant away from conviction- it only takes the will of the cops to do something about it, something you don't want to provoke.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: johnm214]
#13045066 - 08/13/10 05:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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As far as I know, you can't just open random people's mail in Canada, even if you are a cop.
Customs opens and inspects incoming mail in Canada. And the USA, and everywhere else advanced enough to have a Customs Agency.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: Doc_T]
#13048549 - 08/13/10 09:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Johnm has always provided valuable information in the security and safety forum. I'm from Winnipeg and a cop friend has always told me they only need a warrant for first class mail and any other type of mail sent they may open if it is suspicious.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: nooneman]
#13049012 - 08/13/10 11:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I just read the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, and it didn't mention shit about spores. You should have told them that they tampered with private mail and you have a good mind to call the cops and have them arrested. Then you should have gotten their names and sued them. Also, complaining to their supervisors would be good. Raise hell, man. 
Searching on the Department of Justice Canada for spores and mushrooms comes up essentially empty: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SimpleSearch
These Spores grow magic mushrooms, which ARE illegal. Customs can and DOES open mail all the time. Especially if it is commercial in any way. If there are goods to charge duty, you'll get the bill.
In this case, the spores could raise the suspicion of a person growing illegal drugs. So, they hand em over to the RCMP, who in turn go knock on the door to see what they can find out.
Police in Canada can lie. They will to leverage information from you. I don't see why they would not be allowed to personally present you the "evidence" they were given. Threaten you will trouble that doesnt exist, Hoping for you to lay down and give em' all your shrooms.
But yeah, If you called the station and demanded your shit back, they would give it back.. and keep an eye on you hence forth.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: Dickhead]
#13049478 - 08/14/10 05:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awebig said:
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nooneman said: I just read the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, and it didn't mention shit about spores. You should have told them that they tampered with private mail and you have a good mind to call the cops and have them arrested. Then you should have gotten their names and sued them. Also, complaining to their supervisors would be good. Raise hell, man. 
Searching on the Department of Justice Canada for spores and mushrooms comes up essentially empty: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SimpleSearch
These Spores grow magic mushrooms, which ARE illegal. Customs can and DOES open mail all the time. Especially if it is commercial in any way. If there are goods to charge duty, you'll get the bill.
In this case, the spores could raise the suspicion of a person growing illegal drugs. So, they hand em over to the RCMP, who in turn go knock on the door to see what they can find out.
Police in Canada can lie. They will to leverage information from you. I don't see why they would not be allowed to personally present you the "evidence" they were given. Threaten you will trouble that doesnt exist, Hoping for you to lay down and give em' all your shrooms.
But yeah, If you called the station and demanded your shit back, they would give it back.. and keep an eye on you hence forth.
Exactly, well put.

Pleople somtimes kid themselves that if the evidence doesn't in-and-of-itself establish proof of a crime that the cops have nothing. This is unrealistic and silly.
9 times out of 10 the person will themselves confess to sufficient details to secure a conviction or a search warrant that will. Simply knocking on the door, as you mention, will usually get them enough evidence to procede, and this is presuming the cop is honest and obeys the constitutional limits on his testimony and search.
In the US and most states, the syringe in this case is itself illegal- it is drug paraphernalia and a criminal tool. The person ordered it to commit a crime and to manufacture and consume drugs, which would not be difficult to prove given a motivated cop and prosecutor. It is best not to put the fuzz to their proof in a situation such as this where you are guilty and they appear inclined to not make a huge stink of it. Shut up, say nothing, and don't make an ass of yourself.
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: johnm214]
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I wonder how much cocaine was involved in this photograph?
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Re: RCMP at my door [Re: nooneman]
#13053177 - 08/14/10 11:35 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nooneman said: He can't be charged for it, and they opened his mail. As far as I know, you can't just open random people's mail in Canada, even if you are a cop.
This was international mail, customs probably opened it.
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What are the cops going to do, arrest him for nothing? Bullshit.
They wouldn't arrest him for nothing, they could use the order as probable cause to get a warrant and arrest him for manufacturing a controlled substance.
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It's your kind of misinformation that's wrong, this guy needs to stand the fuck up for himself and his rights. They had no right to open his mail, he should raise hell.
Since when does customs not have the right to open mail?
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They can't charge him with possession of anything, because he didn't have anything illegal. Read the fucking law before posting next time, newb.
He never said he had nothing illegal, and I would be surprised if that was the case. He probably has some drugs and maybe psilocybin mushrooms growing.
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Essentially.
There is a lesson to be learned.
Just because spores are legal, doesn't mean you WILL get away with growing shrooms.
Police look for loopholes, just as you do.
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Hey Johnm214 its nice to see you here!
Nice to see you as well, hope everything's peachy with you
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