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Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style"
    #13035709 - 08/11/10 09:59 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ive got alot of grain spawn.. and im ready to make my medium size mono tubs.. the only thing is.. ive been searching for a good ratio for a substrate that will have most nutes and produces HUGE fruits..
  is horse poo,coir,straw,verm and gypsum too much ?? ive got spent coffee grounds, but was told they dont have alot of nutes.. ???
  if anyone could give me their opinion on the best substrate mix, id greatly appreciate it..  thanx

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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: kingpsilo281]
    #13035724 - 08/11/10 10:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Genetics is your key ingredient here.


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: kingpsilo281]
    #13035729 - 08/11/10 10:06 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think a bulk substrate Consisting of H.poo,Coco Coir/Vermiculite/Straw,gypsum would be a great bulk substrate...just so long as everything is pasteurized properly.


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Doc_T]
    #13035731 - 08/11/10 10:07 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

gosh darn it! i dont like it when everyone hides behind the genetics card. even if it is true...


Myself i think rye spawned to straw and cow or H/poo is the best

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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Don Juan]
    #13035740 - 08/11/10 10:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Don Juan said:
gosh darn it! i dont like it when everyone hides behind the genetics card.




Without isolating a good culture, or at least a clone, there's no way to say much about resulting fruit size, potency, texture, etc.

That said, people brag on hpoo.


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: kingpsilo281]
    #13035798 - 08/11/10 10:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The simplest substrate blend I use with good results is, Coir, Used Coffee Grounds, Drywall Gypsum, and of course Water.

The mixture is: 70% Coir
                            20% Used Coffee Grounds
                            10% Drywall Gypsum
                            Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'


However, I have better results with this: 50% Straw
                                                                        20% Cow Manure (bags bought in the store)
                                                                        15% Coir
                                                                        10% Drywall Gypsum
                                                                          5% Used Coffee Grounds
                                                                        Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: nexus1946]
    #13036100 - 08/11/10 11:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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nexus1946 said:
The simplest substrate blend I use with good results is, Coir, Used Coffee Grounds, Drywall Gypsum, and of course Water.

The mixture is: 70% Coir
                            20% Used Coffee Grounds
                            10% Drywall Gypsum
                            Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'


However, I have better results with this: 50% Straw
                                                                        20% Cow Manure (bags bought in the store)
                                                                        15% Coir
                                                                        10% Drywall Gypsum
                                                                          5% Used Coffee Grounds
                                                                        Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'




Maybe my english is not good enough but what is "Drywall Gypsum"?. Do you crumble or pulverize a piece of drywall and use that?

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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: madman2001]
    #13036111 - 08/11/10 12:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Word up:thumbup:
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madman2001 said:
Quote:

nexus1946 said:
The simplest substrate blend I use with good results is, Coir, Used Coffee Grounds, Drywall Gypsum, and of course Water.

The mixture is: 70% Coir
                            20% Used Coffee Grounds
                            10% Drywall Gypsum
                            Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'


However, I have better results with this: 50% Straw
                                                                        20% Cow Manure (bags bought in the store)
                                                                        15% Coir
                                                                        10% Drywall Gypsum
                                                                          5% Used Coffee Grounds
                                                                        Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'




Maybe my english is not good enough but what is "Drywall Gypsum"?. Do you crumble or pulverize a piece of drywall and use that?




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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Doc_T]
    #13036133 - 08/11/10 12:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Add some chicken manure and some gypsum to your bulk substrate mix.  I have an unfinished writeup in my journal that explains how much to use.  :thumbup: ~P~


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: madman2001]
    #13037139 - 08/11/10 03:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

nexus1946 said:
The simplest substrate blend I use with good results is, Coir, Used Coffee Grounds, Drywall Gypsum, and of course Water.

The mixture is: 70% Coir
                            20% Used Coffee Grounds
                            10% Drywall Gypsum
                            Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'


However, I have better results with this: 50% Straw
                                                                        20% Cow Manure (bags bought in the store)
                                                                        15% Coir
                                                                        10% Drywall Gypsum
                                                                          5% Used Coffee Grounds
                                                                        Water - Enough to bring the mix to 'field capacity'




Maybe my english is not good enough but what is "Drywall Gypsum"?. Do you crumble or pulverize a piece of drywall and use that?




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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: nexus1946]
    #13037169 - 08/11/10 03:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

meh, straight poop or straight coir. whatever really.

additives shmaditives. large fruits are genetics.


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Frizzle]
    #13037210 - 08/11/10 03:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

can dry grass clippings substitute for straw?

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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Frizzle]
    #13037211 - 08/11/10 03:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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meh, straight poop or straight coir. whatever really.

additives shmaditives. large fruits are genetics.




For me it's more about performance than fruit size really.

The second mixture I posted out performs the first one in many ways, for me anyway.


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: nexus1946]
    #13037243 - 08/11/10 03:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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meh, straight poop or straight coir. whatever really.

additives shmaditives. large fruits are genetics.




For me it's more about performance than fruit size really.

The second mixture I posted out performs the first one in many ways, for me anyway.




i agree, a tub that puts out a lb of medium/high potency fruits is 10x better than a tub that puts out a lb of 20-30 huge ass fruits like this:



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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Frizzle]
    #13037281 - 08/11/10 03:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i agree, a tub that puts out a lb of medium/high potency fruits is 10x better than a tub that puts out a lb of 20-30 huge ass fruits like this:






Well, I'm glad you agree.....nice pic though! :smirk:


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: nexus1946]
    #13037437 - 08/11/10 04:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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ive got spent coffee grounds, but was told they dont have alot of nutes




Nobody with a clue would have told you that.  Coffee grinds are very high in mushroom food.  If you want huge fruits for some reason, add up to 5% chicken manure to your other substrate ingredients.
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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Frizzle]
    #13037896 - 08/11/10 05:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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meh, straight poop or straight coir. whatever really.

additives shmaditives. large fruits are genetics.





:thumbdown:

In actuality fruit size, density of mushrooms, even potency can/will be affected by not only what food is available, but also what environment they are growing in (temps, air exchange, for example). 

To any new readers here, there is DAILY misinformation like this about genetics, or claims that multispore inoculations resulted in a substrate not fruiting (when that is not necessarily the case).  Ignore it. ~P~


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Psuper]
    #13038840 - 08/11/10 09:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

nobody mentioned the obvious?

make your substrate deep enough. that's most of the battle.

mushrooms are roughly 90% water. by worrying ingredients and additives and all this, you're focusing on the 10%. if you want em big, they need plenty of water to draw on. the way to have plenty of water to draw on, is simply to have a lot of properly hydrated substrate. :smile:

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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Frizzle]
    #13040283 - 08/12/10 06:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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meh, straight poop or straight coir. whatever really.

additives shmaditives. large fruits are genetics.




Im not going to say i agree, but i just follow Damions5050 tek, it is great and easy, coir and verm, sometimes i use a little gypsum, sometimes i dont, i forget sometimes.

I use to do straw and coffee with the coir and verm, but these contaminate so damn easy for me, i had to cut them out, and my substrate is about 4 inches thick

Edited by kechlesurf (08/12/10 06:33 AM)

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    #13040960 - 08/12/10 11:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Frizzle said:
meh, straight poop or straight coir. whatever really.

additives shmaditives. large fruits are genetics.





:thumbdown:

In actuality fruit size, density of mushrooms, even potency can/will be affected by not only what food is available, but also what environment they are growing in (temps, air exchange, for example). 

To any new readers here, there is DAILY misinformation like this about genetics, or claims that multispore inoculations resulted in a substrate not fruiting (when that is not necessarily the case).  Ignore it. ~P~





obviously if your conditions are poor, your yield will suffer, but for every picture of your "great grow with 7 different additives that you grew under the full moon when venus was eclipsing uranus etc etc", i can show you a picture of big ass yields/fruits coming out of nothing but 4 bricks of coir spawned with 4quarts of rye that i spend about a whopping 10 seconds checking once a day.






I think all the additives are overrated, and complicate things. this is a personal opinion, and i'm in no way saying they are necessarily "useless"

To any new readers here, save your time and money on additives, get down the basics, and then work on isolating qualities you find desirable. if you do add anything, i believe that they should only be ones that assist in keeping out competing molds and bacteria.


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: creamcorn]
    #13041320 - 08/12/10 12:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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nobody mentioned the obvious?

make your substrate deep enough. that's most of the battle.

mushrooms are roughly 90% water. by worrying ingredients and additives and all this, you're focusing on the 10%. if you want em big, they need plenty of water to draw on. the way to have plenty of water to draw on, is simply to have a lot of properly hydrated substrate. :smile:




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Good genetics or not, your mushrooms will be bigger when there is more substrate available.


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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: FooMan]
    #13041559 - 08/12/10 01:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

My friend got a B+ syringe from TheHawksEye. (A very domesticated strain with potential to produce the fruits you're looking for)

He did WBS spawned to coir + coffee grounds. 35 gallon mono-tub with a  4 1/2 inch substrate.

The biggest fruit he got weighed 225 grams wet and was as long as his forearm to the tip of his fingers and the average fruit was 80 to 100 grams.

Granted, the flushes weren't wall-to-wall shrooms, but the pure massiveness of the shrooms made up for it.

So, what he learned from that experience was to get a syringe with good potential genetics. Go through the correct processes, then put it in a large tub with a deep substrate depth with a well hydrated substrate. Dunk in between flushes to keep it hydrated. Watch the giants grow. Isolate and clone the most giant of the giants (what he did), and then watch those grow more consistently.

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Re: Whats the best substrate mix for HUGE fruits.."mono tub style" [Re: Frizzle]
    #13041563 - 08/12/10 01:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Nice pics Frizzle, good argument with pics to baxk it up.  I only use coir and verm, and gypsum when i remember it.  Were those pics just traight coir?

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