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mais

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sterilized without aluminum foil
#13031029 - 08/10/10 10:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i may have messed up. sterilized my jars in a pc without aluminum foil on em. now the masking tape's all wet. do i need to start again?
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jugular69
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: mais]
#13031040 - 08/10/10 10:26 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does the inside of the jar look really wet? If its real wet you'll need to start over.
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Issius
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: mais]
#13031061 - 08/10/10 10:36 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would redo it.
I've never used masking tape, but I've heard that when using tyvek (assuming your masking tape is for GE?), if it gets wet it can wick in contams. Now, on that note, I have an LC with one layer of tyvek that I've gotten really wet from shaking and I still haven't had any jars contam and I've knocked up over 20 from it.
If the inside isn't really wet, you might be OK. Doing it again correctly is a good way to avoid problems though.
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xeallos
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: Issius]
#13031110 - 08/10/10 10:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should have started over after doing lids with masking tape, but definitely now as well
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mais

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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: xeallos]
#13031584 - 08/10/10 01:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you mean i should put masking tape on after the sterilization and not before?
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Doc_T
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: mais]
#13031607 - 08/10/10 01:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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As long as the inside of the jar has no standing water, you are fine. A little bit of condensation is ok, but no drops.
If that's the case, proceed as normal.
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Issius
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: mais]
#13031983 - 08/10/10 02:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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mais said: you mean i should put masking tape on after the sterilization and not before?
He means to say that masking tape sucks for jar lids. You are better off using tyvek for GE (free from UPS/FedEx drop boxes) and silicone for self healing injection ports.
But masking tape in all honesty is probably fine.
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Doc_T
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: Issius]
#13032096 - 08/10/10 02:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Issius said: tyvek and silicone .
Overkill for PF jars, yes?
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LazyCrash
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: Doc_T]
#13032252 - 08/10/10 03:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Overkill for PF jars, yes?
I agree. Micro pore tape to protect before inoc? I leave the holes open after injecting so the type of tape makes no difference to me...
I'd be off buying a pressure cooker before I put extra steps into pf tek.
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Doc_T
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: LazyCrash]
#13032335 - 08/10/10 03:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use micropore tape after I shoot, but that's because my place is laden with contams. In a cleaner place I wouldn't bother. No tape during the boil, I just make sure the foil is snug. And the jars are up out of the water.
But there's a lot of ways to get the same results.
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Issius
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: Doc_T]
#13032388 - 08/10/10 03:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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Issius said: tyvek and silicone .
Overkill for PF jars, yes?
I never did pf. Plus I rather enjoyed making my lids, for some reason.
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Doc_T
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: Issius]
#13032437 - 08/10/10 03:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Issius said: I never did pf.
But a newb coming here talking about jars with tape on them, he's doing PF tek, right?
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Issius
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: xeallos]
#13032510 - 08/10/10 04:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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Issius said: I never did pf.
But a newb coming here talking about jars with tape on them, he's doing PF tek, right?
I was simply clarifying this uncertainty:
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mais said: you mean i should put masking tape on after the sterilization and not before?
due to this:
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xeallos said: You should have started over after doing lids with masking tape, but definitely now as well 
I'm sure its overkill, but learning never hurt anyone (that's probably not true actually).
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mais

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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: Issius]
#13032613 - 08/10/10 04:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks for the help. yes, i'm doing the pf tek. i'm gonna try again tomorrow with some new jars and medical tape.
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Doc_T
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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: mais]
#13032647 - 08/10/10 04:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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If there's no standing water, these are fine.
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The White Rabbit


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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: mais]
#13032671 - 08/10/10 04:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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for my pf tek the tape is a waste of money. Get some tyvek mail envelopes from your local post office or mailing center for free. then cut them to fit the jar with a little overhang.
Load the jars top with dry verm place your lid on top of the jar and cover with a piece of tyvek. Put the lid ring on a screw it down. I don't worry about tightening them down because I have 4 1/8" holes in the lid and that lets out all the pressure. Otherwise tighten and then unscrew one turn to loosen for pressure relief. Place tin foil on top and PC. When you inoculate with spore syringe then just leave the holes open, that is what the dry verm layer is for. Just be sure to flame the needle till red hot and cool with a small bit of spore solution before injecting the next one.
Easy and no more spending money.
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Doc_T
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So you shoot through the tyvek? Why bother putting it there?
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The White Rabbit


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Re: sterilized without aluminum foil [Re: Doc_T]
#13032702 - 08/10/10 04:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your right never really thought about it. Just followed a bunch of teks and started using tyvek for all my jars. thanks don't think I will use it again for my pf jars.
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