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 BuzzDoctor
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 New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous 
#1302847 - 02/12/03 01:22 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.nysun.com/sunarticle.asp?artID=529
"So the New York City police could do worse, in the end, than to allow the protest and send two witnesses along for each participant, with an eye toward preserving at least the possibility of an eventual treason prosecution."
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: BuzzDoctor]
#1302908 - 02/12/03 01:46 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: pattern]
#1302916 - 02/12/03 01:49 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: BuzzDoctor]
#1303233 - 02/12/03 03:54 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't practically fall ill after reading that first paragraph of the Sun article:
I hope you diiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
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 carbonhoots
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 Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: BuzzDoctor]
#1303522 - 02/12/03 06:18 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for posting that little piece of work.
Wow.
It's exceptionally twisted. It actually makes me feel cold and afraid inside...like it was written by a Stepford reporter.
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: carbonhoots]
#1304411 - 02/13/03 02:53 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I especially liked the part where the author referred to the coming war as "the liberation of Iraq". Now THAT'S what I call spin. 
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: BuzzDoctor]
#1304829 - 02/13/03 05:43 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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This proves just how fucked up the media is. Treason my ass. And all this talk about "liberating Iraq", as if we're stopping something other than the death of thousands of our own people, and of the Iraqi people. Most of the Iraqi people like it the way it is. If it aint broken, don't fix it! If you wanna liberate Iraq, give them shrooms, peyote, and marijuana. I wish people would wake up.
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: Demon]
#1304872 - 02/13/03 05:59 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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> If you wanna liberate Iraq, give them shrooms, peyote, and marijuana.
LOL!!! I like it! Carpet bomb them with mushrooms. How ironic that would be.
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Demon
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: pattern]
#1305465 - 02/13/03 10:16 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, you hav to liberate your mind before you can liberate your body. ever seen the matrix? 
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: Demon]
#1305529 - 02/13/03 10:44 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Too true!
The iraqis are going to see this "liberation" as an invasion and attack on them and thier way of life.
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: Azmodeus]
#1305691 - 02/13/03 11:54 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
The iraqis are going to see this "liberation" as an invasion and attack on them and thier way of life.
This is how a "terrorist" is born. We create them. The cycle is redundant. I don't think it will ever stop.
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: ]
#1305761 - 02/13/03 12:20 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't feel ill at all.
Rather I am filled with outrage.
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: Demon]
#1305956 - 02/13/03 01:30 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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you are propagating usage of nuclear weapon?
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pattern
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: Demon]
#1306515 - 02/13/03 05:41 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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> Yeah, you hav to liberate your mind before you can liberate your body.
Cuz the mind is part of the body. 
> Ever seen the matrix?
Many times. 
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: BuzzDoctor]
#1306911 - 02/14/03 12:03 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do
is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering, at the
Nuremberg Trials after World War II
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: Demon]
#1309025 - 02/14/03 11:08 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most of the Iraqi people like it the way it is.
C'mon now. They like the death penalty for saying the wrong thing or seeing the wrong thing?
Has anyone here listened to what the poeple who have defected or otherwise managed to leave Iraq have to say. Saddams ex mistress who fled from Iraq tells how he shot the guy who drove her to see him because he now knew where Saddam was. Or her recount of how as a young woman, Saddam took her down into a prison and make her watch a man get shut into a box and 40+ spikes slowly pushed through his body. She said that his screams where the worst thing she has ever heard.
The scientist, Khidhir Abdul Abas Hamza, said that before he fled Iraq in 1994 he helped train a cadre of young scientists who, working with more senior scientists involved in other projects, would be capable of quickly resuming Iraq's atomic weapons program if the United Nations cuts back on its inspections and, ultimately, lifts economic sanctions. He said his colleagues were lavishly rewarded for their successes and tortured by the secret police when they failed to deliver. On the eve of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, Hamza said, Iraq had completed all the research and testing needed for an atomic weapon and was feverishly trying to make at least one crude bomb using uranium from civilian reactors. This effort, Hamza said, could have produced a bomb in a few months, but it was disrupted by the allied bombing campaign. Saddam tightened his grip over the growing nuclear program in 1974, Hamza said, secretly naming himself chairman of the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission -- a fact that Iraq has denied to U.N. inspectors. He also began controlling every aspect of the scientists' lives, ordering them to divorce foreign wives and marry Iraqi women, while forcing them to report any contact with foreigners. Scientists ignored such orders at their peril. In January 1980, Saddam had Iraq's most senior nuclear scientist, Jaafar D. Jaafar, jailed and tortured until he agreed to work on an enrichment program that would separate uranium particles and make bomb-grade fuel. "Jaafar was so badly beaten that he still jumps out of his chair at the slightest scare," Hamza said.
Hamza said he found it surprisingly easy to negotiate nuclear cooperation agreements with the former Soviet Union, India, Brazil, France and others to buy nuclear technology that could be used for bombs under peaceful cover. "If you go with the money and some brains, it's easy to acquire the stuff," he said.
Among other things, Iraq bought a French reactor and an Italian fuel reprocessing facility, an IBM mainframe computer from the United States, and machine tools to make centrifuge components from the Swiss. In 1987 it almost bought for between $110 million and $120 million a complete foundry to forge uranium and other bomb-related components from Leybold and Degussa, two West German companies. Hamza, who monitored the negotiations in Germany from a room next to the meeting room, said the companies had offered to supply not only the foundry but, for $200 million, a complete installation that they promised could be built within months.
Hamza witnessed the intensive American and allied bombing campaign in the Persian Gulf War and was stunned at how little the Americans and their allies knew about Iraq's program. More than half of Iraq's major nuclear installations, most notably the sprawling Al Atheer complex, the program's busy new weapons center, were left largely untouched by the bombing raids.
Ultimately, Hamza's long-running bureaucratic feud with another leading bomb scientist, the terror of working inside the Iraqi police state and finally the killing of colleagues in the secret program persuaded him to flee.
The final straw came when the body of Adil Fayadh, one of Iraq's chief nuclear procurement officers, was found near Hamza's farm. "He had a farm next to mine," he said. "They killed him and put him in the ditch on his farm. It got me very worried. It had to be Iraqi intelligence. That night, about two dozen people came to my house, pale-faced and worried. They didn't know what was going to happen."
Hamza defected soon after, and he continues to anxiously follow the Iraqi nuclear program from afar. He insisted that Saddam remains determined to reconstitute the chemical, biological and nuclear programs in which he invested so much. "Without these props, he would lose power," he said
And recently he has said that any inspections are a joke and they will not find anything that Saddam does not want them to find. He is now allowing the U2 flights because he is confident in his ability to hide everything. And that the scientist who are being interviewed are low level, marginal scientists with no real knowledge.
Oh, but none of that matters to you moral high-grounders. Innocent people are dying in Iraq RIGHT NOW!!
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: BuzzDoctor]
#1309198 - 02/15/03 03:22 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president...."
Teddy Roosevelt
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: Demon]
#1309219 - 02/15/03 03:44 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most of the Iraqi people like it the way it is.
I highly doubt it. Saddam has caused incredible hardships for the people of Iraq, by causing economic sanctions, and getting them bombed to shit in the Gulf War.
Its also against the law for an Iraqi citizen to speak out against the government at all.
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: mntlfngrs]
#1309225 - 02/15/03 03:50 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice post.
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carbonhoots
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Re: New York Sun: Anti-war demonstrators are treasonous [Re: ]
#1309491 - 02/15/03 07:18 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most of the Iraqi people like it the way it is.
I think they like it better the way it is now, compared to the way it will be...if the USA attacks
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