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Is my cell phone tapped?
    #13028200 - 08/09/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

My phone has been acting funny lately, I told a friend about it.  He tells me its easy to find out if it is.  All I have to do is enter the #,s 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 88 99 into the phone & call  it. If it goes to the pollice station , then my phone is tapped.  I try it & it goes str8 to the local police station. I've tried it on about 10 other cell phones & all of them say "This call cannot be completed."   
WTF?

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13028217 - 08/09/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Thats fucked up, is there any reason why they would tap your phone? do you deal or something

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: Ram Dass]
    #13028274 - 08/09/10 06:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Nada!  Some  idiot I know got busted pretty good & was out in less than 24 hrs with no money & I presume he has tried to implicate me in something.  I was wondering if ne 1 has heard of this before.

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13029586 - 08/09/10 11:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

this does not pass my bullshit detector...

im not calling you out personally... (yet :smile:)  but double check your buddies haven't pulled a prank on you by adding anything to your phone book...

it doesn't make sense things would work this way on several levels...

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: creamcorn]
    #13044444 - 08/12/10 11:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Hey can anyone name some key words that the people "who tap phones" would be listening for? Like "Shrooms" for instance. Are mushrooms or mushies hot words that should be avoided?

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: ShadowYogi]
    #13044569 - 08/13/10 12:35 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

there are no magical key words.

if your phone were really tapped, it's because they're investigating you already. you have been singled out, and they listen to it all. people will listen to it. not machines.

there is no magical ability to just listen for "key words" out of thin air. nor would such a thing be legal. yeah the patriot act gums that up a bit. but still.

caveat, it would be entirely possible with text messages to hunt down keywords. scanning text data is simple for a computer; however it would still be illegal. picking out words or phrases from voice with perfect accuracy is still too much for current technology. there is certainly speech->text technology, but it's imperfect, and neigh on impossible to monitor large swaths of people simultaneously to pick out key words. there would be many misses, there would be many false alarms. it would require so much cooperation from so many different parties... etc. it's not practical.  the day may come when it is practical, and our liberties have eroded enough that it IS done. but that day isn't today.

if you're not being investigated for something, you aren't being listened to. being discrete doesn't hurt though.

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: creamcorn]
    #13053191 - 08/14/10 11:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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there is no magical ability to just listen for "key words" out of thin air. nor would such a thing be legal. yeah the patriot act gums that up a bit. but still.




I would be surprised if the NSA had to pay people to transcribe phone calls anymore.  When you call AT&T or Verizon the computer can recognize what you say just fine, the NSA/CIA software is not so different.

It may be less like certain keywords cause flags and more like an analyst sifting through the contents of millions of phone calls with grep for certain interesting things.

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caveat, it would be entirely possible with text messages to hunt down keywords. scanning text data is simple for a computer; however it would still be illegal.




The government doesn't care if its illegal.  They have a long history of breaking wiretapping laws and will continue to do so for a long time.

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picking out words or phrases from voice with perfect accuracy is still too much for current technology.




Correct, but picking out words with 99% accuracy is no problem.

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13065539 - 08/17/10 05:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i want to know if there is any truth to dialing those numbers and getting the police station. someone with some knowledge of cell phones and what not should look into this. ill give you a cookie.


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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: corallus88]
    #13067874 - 08/18/10 07:23 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'm curious to know this too.


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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #13068752 - 08/18/10 12:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

:tinfoil:


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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: creamcorn]
    #13069771 - 08/18/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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there are no magical key words.

if your phone were really tapped, it's because they're investigating you already. you have been singled out, and they listen to it all. people will listen to it. not machines.

there is no magical ability to just listen for "key words" out of thin air. nor would such a thing be legal. yeah the patriot act gums that up a bit. but still.

caveat, it would be entirely possible with text messages to hunt down keywords. scanning text data is simple for a computer; however it would still be illegal. picking out words or phrases from voice with perfect accuracy is still too much for current technology. there is certainly speech->text technology, but it's imperfect, and neigh on impossible to monitor large swaths of people simultaneously to pick out key words. there would be many misses, there would be many false alarms. it would require so much cooperation from so many different parties... etc. it's not practical.  the day may come when it is practical, and our liberties have eroded enough that it IS done. but that day isn't today.

if you're not being investigated for something, you aren't being listened to. being discrete doesn't hurt though.





Not to discredit you, but it is a public fact that our phones are monitored by computers to look for key words, but that is on a National Security level. Try talking about your plans to take out the president over the phone and I promise you will trigger a recording though 'key words'.

Especially after 9/11 it was made public that emails and phones are to be checked for 'National Security purposes'.

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13080797 - 08/20/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I would be surprised if the NSA had to pay people to transcribe phone calls anymore.  When you call AT&T or Verizon the computer can recognize what you say just fine, the NSA/CIA software is not so different.





Well, be not surprised. It's definitely done, within the last few years for certain, possibly still. There's been a couple whistleblowers in the last few years who spoke out that the NSA/military was actually intercepting things they shouldn't have been. Those whistleblowers had the exact job I described: sitting around in a room, listening to phone conversations, transcribing them, and translating them. Google "Adrienne Kinne" - perhaps the most high profile whistleblower. She appeared on several news shows explaining exactly how this worked. She served until 2004; so we can say they still did it as of a few years ago. I'm doubtful they've replaced them all with super smart machines yet, but I've been wrong before. :wink: 

Even still, machines may be able to pick out items of interest. It narrows the stream. Ultimately, human intervention has to double check for accuracy, and do something machines can't do - gauge the intent. Is it somebody joking around and happened to trigger some word or pattern? Or is it a serious credible "threat" that needs to be acted on? Machines deal in yes and no; not so much in judgment calls.

You also mentioned the legality issues not stopping the government before. This is true. This Adrienne Kinne woman is an example that as long as humans are involved somewhere in the chain, there's a good chance somebody with a conscience will blow the lid off, though. If we're talking about some kind of mass scale surveillance conspiracy, there's still going to be many people involved. All it takes is one honest person. We're not doomed yet. :wink:

I'm not saying this so called software doesn't exist. It probably does. It's probably being refined and improved right now. I'm not convinced it's in wide scale use, listening in on large numbers of innocent people just 'cause, is all...

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Not to discredit you, but it is a public fact that our phones are monitored by computers to look for key words, but that is on a National Security level. Try talking about your plans to take out the president over the phone and I promise you will trigger a recording though 'key words'.

Especially after 9/11 it was made public that emails and phones are to be checked for 'National Security purposes'.




Well you haven't discredited anything, unless you've got a credible reference? If it's public fact and all, should be easy to provide, no?... I'm not being a smart ass with you. I'm genuinely curious.

Again, it would be illegal. Things like the patriot act kinda screwed up the boundaries of what is legal. Call 'em a terrorist and you don't need a warrant. But still. In theory at least, you can't legally listen to a wide cross section of people that aren't suspected of any wrongdoing, just because there's technology that can (and I'm still dubious on the technology). You still need probable cause of some sort, even if that's been stripped down and torn apart. That's not to say our government hasn't broken laws before; the whistleblower example I cited above proves it has. But to catch somebody slinging weed or something? I don't think so...

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My whole point here, is that it is an inefficient way to "fight crime." It doesn't make sense. I'm not convinced the technology is there. And my example shows these sorts of technology weren't used as recently as a few years ago. Even if there is some magic keyword finding system, they would still point their electronic ears towards suspects. Not towards everybody. It's all about the signal-to-noise ratio. When you include everyone, almost all of it is "noise" - innocent people talking about innocent things. Intelligence agencies are concerned with intelligence. Not with you calling your grandma, ordering a pizza, arguing with your girlfriend. It just doesn't make sense on a couple levels... and again that has my BS detector lit up like a christmas tree.

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: creamcorn]
    #13080811 - 08/20/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

wow thats messed up.. i thought my phone was tapped one time too it used to make some weird beeping sounds and  it scared the hell outa me.. just watch what you say from now on..


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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: AnimaSoulBlue]
    #13081716 - 08/21/10 04:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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just watch what you say from now on..




Especially on a cell phone. Cops don't need a warrant to listen in on one, last I heard.

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13082825 - 08/21/10 01:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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My phone has been acting funny lately, I told a friend about it.  He tells me its easy to find out if it is.  All I have to do is enter the #,s 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 88 99 into the phone & call  it. If it goes to the pollice station , then my phone is tapped.  I try it & it goes str8 to the local police station. I've tried it on about 10 other cell phones & all of them say "This call cannot be completed."   
WTF?





of course people have their phones tapped, but this number thing is simply a prank

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100606122927AADK8cB
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&&sa=X&ei=XyJwTMqEOoGC8gaChOGwCw&ved=0CBEQBSgA&q=enter+the+%23,s+11+22+33+44+55+66+77+88+99+into+the+phone&spell=1&fp=728ef3750cf3a29c

nice spice anon

oh, and by the by, when the feds or the cops 'tap' a cell phone, its not like back in the old days when they would have to break in and stash a device in your phone or the phone line somewhere (or even listening in from the telephone box), they simply intercept the call or have the telecom company record the whole thing.

they can do this for text messages as well


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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #13082976 - 08/21/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

yeah its in the telephone companies user agreement. something like they will work with law enforcement if your being investigated or something..


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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: creamcorn]
    #13083316 - 08/21/10 02:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This is close.
ECHELON

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: The Monkey God]
    #13105734 - 08/26/10 02:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, its a reasonable assumption, particularly post nine eleven and substance use. If you think your phone is tapped, it probably is. If you think that you are being watched by LEO, you probably are, its their job and the only thing you can do about it is stay in legal territory. At some point they will let you know, in a covert yet obvious way, that you are an item.Change your behavior accordingly, and they will lean on you less.

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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: iam23]
    #13112232 - 08/27/10 11:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone coughing up with these theories ever actually wrote a program?
While the NSA may scan a random SAMPLE of calls for keywords... The odds of you not being overheard are more than likely.
How many phone calls do you think are made everyday?
Lets make up a number... say 1,000,000,000.
Alright, now how many words do you think are said combined from each party during a call? Lets say... 100. So now we've got 100,000,000,000 words to scan in raw audio...
We're talking epic length MP3 at this point... Now we've got to convert that to text, and since 2/3 of the words will be useless (the, and, him, her, etc), we'll have to sort them too before we can provide anything presentable to a human being to scan manually for "suspicious" words.

Now imagine doing all of that with random length phrases or sentences.. After all, a keyword is nothing without context, the word "kill" and "president" could appear easily within a few words of each other and mean nothing. Some redneck could be going on about killing a deer and his buddy might respond that he hopes the president doesn't change gun laws...
Keeping track of who said what adds x10 more layers to this whole process.....

Point being; If you say a phrase on the telephone such as "I'm going to assasinate someone" or "blow up mcdonalds", you're going to need to say a LOT if you wanna be heard.





The poster is bullshitting by the way. The idea that any system to tap a persons phone would IMPLANT a line of code that made those specific numbers route to the main line of your local police station? How much sense would that make... It's illegal to alter a cell phone under contract on both sides.
If the phone company is cooperating with the police, why would they need to modify the software on your phone?
I still wouldn't see why any software modification would goto the local police station and not the party tapping the phone..

PS: We'll need quantum processors before Echelon is possible.


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Re: Is my cell phone tapped? [Re: anarchOi]
    #13114021 - 08/28/10 12:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It sounds like you have technical expertise, more than me, anyway, so I dont want to say your wrong. But, I think they havr echelon now and that it or something similar is and has been in place for years. I know the very idea is paranoid, but the technological ability for it is there now. Every government in the world has experimented on their populace in some form or another. People are aware of these things, particularly people that get high. If you wonder about the late 60's turmoil, it was more than about viet nam, people became aware of what the govt. was doing, because it was so outrageous most people didnt give details, wouldnt do much good. Instead they just said stuff like: Turn on, tune in, and drop out, Be Here Now, etc. wrote songs that were cryptic and obscure(Blackbird and other songs by the Beatles). While the medium was not the message, per se, music is/was a social comment. The Govt.is looking for anything and everything, have science fiction type technology, expendable manchurians they use against political rivals etc. Fortunately,there are people in Govt. that dont agree,(Democrats and  Republicans, some have been victimized by manchurians) we live in the USA, we are the good guys. look at whats happening in mexico, russia, etc. Their peoples and culture are stultified by overt and covert government control. People leave the states in hope of relief and are sadly dissappointed. People leave their country for America and find some relief. Ever wonder why there are so many immigrants here? All govts. practice the same surreptitious things to some extent,if there is a haven, its not well known and probably costs a fortune to go there and live, in likely worse living  conditions, than the United States.If you're an American citizen,be cautious and BE THANKFULL!

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