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SmellyMushroom
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Coco coir
#13026983 - 08/09/10 02:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey,
I found coco coir at my local hydroponics store but it came as 50L bags. since all the threads about coir were showing it as bricks I was wondering what was the correct way to prepare the mix. I have 6qt jars of spawn so should i just pasteurize 15 qt of coir, 2qt of verm and 1qt of coffee?
thanks in advance!
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Naz
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depends on what size tub you wanna do.. i did an 18 gal tub with 6 quarts wbs, 8 quarts coco coir 1 qrt. verm 1 quart coffee grnds, 1/2 qt gypsum, 1 gal water and had much success...
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Re: Coco coir [Re: Naz]
#13027061 - 08/09/10 02:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hydroponic coir is notorious for being treated with tich. It does wonders for plants.
Pet store coir is best, and most commonly used.
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SmellyMushroom
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I couldnt find any in the pet stores I have around. Will trich cause a problem? even if I pasteurize everything?
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Numinosum
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Trichoderma is the growers arch enemy.
If you pasteurize correctly, you shouldn't have a problem.
But you need to be thorough.
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Hi, I had the same problem and I used the Pf formula, 3 parts dry material and one part water. In your case that would be 17qt dry material and roughly 5,5qt water. That is if you are using moist coffee grounds. Worked fine for me.
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SmellyMushroom
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ok well since I dont want to waste the money I just spent I guess I will just go with it. what would be the best way to pasteurize it then? I was planning to pour hot water on the coir in a bucket but I guess that wont be enough now..
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Numinosum
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Just bring your sub to field capacity, load it in an oven bag, in a pot, on the stove. Don't add coffee. Heat until the CENTER is 170F. Try to maintain 150-160 by playing with the heat. You should be fine.
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SmellyMushroom
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so I should add the coffee after pasteurization? can I use a pillow case instead of an oven bag? and I just use the right amount of water? dont even have to fill the pot with water? thanks for helping
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Numinosum
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In my opinion, don't use coffee at all. Wait a while before you experiment with additives.
If you do use it, yes it definitely needs to be pasteurized.
You can use a pillowcase, but then you'll need to adjust the water content afterwards. Plus its messy.
Yes fill the pot with water.
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SmellyMushroom
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great thanks,
wish me luck!
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Naz
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if you cant find coco coir at your pet store there is something wrong. its reptile soil, if they sell any reptile stuff at the pet shop it will be that...did you ask?? did you ask for tropical soil or coco coir? I asked for coco coir first time at pet smart and they didnt know what i was talking about. I had to say bed a beast b4 they got it...lol id return that block of trich and get what you need not what might work...for success sake...
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Re: Coco coir [Re: Naz]
#13029348 - 08/09/10 10:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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too late. the monotub started incubation. I pasteurize it during an hour and a half at 175 f. I'll let you know how it works out
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Numinosum said: Just bring your sub to field capacity, load it in an oven bag, in a pot, on the stove. Don't add coffee. Heat until the CENTER is 170F. Try to maintain 150-160 by playing with the heat. You should be fine.
Why'd you tell him 170? I think we were jsut having a discussion on how we dont want to confuse the noobs and give them misinformation.
Its 160, you dont want to go over 160 for very long at all. Its not the end of the world but you want 140-160 for 90 minutes.
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Numinosum
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I told him 170 for what I believe to be good reason. Pasteurization benefits are far less pronounced for coir. When you make any decision you need to weigh the risk with the reward. The pros vs the cons. In my opinion it is better for him to stay a bit on the hotter side and risk killing off a few more "beneficial bacteria" (if the coir even has any) then be completely overrun with trich.
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Numinosum said: Hydroponic coir is notorious for being treated with tich. It does wonders for plants.
Pet store coir is best, and most commonly used.
Bad info, no coir is "treated" with trich. Coir is coir, the only differences is in the grade, as in the way the coir is processed. All can be used, but it is easier for the myc if it is the ground instead of the chips or chunks.
This is a crossover from peeps using coir for plants, if you use coir for sub you pasturize and no trich
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Re: Coco coir [Re: choempi]
#13033857 - 08/10/10 09:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it was "treated" with trich, wouldn't the trich flourish while it sat on the shelf in a bag? Seems that would be a fairly good environment for it to take off and you would surely see it quite quickly.
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Thats a fairily good point PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Pffffffffffffffff thanks! lol
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Naz
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i just crumble my ingrediants into a bucket. then i boil water. then i dump in bucket and cover with lid. 30 mins later i stir with serile serving spoon. works everytime. if you dont stir it real good tho it dosent mix very well. oh yeah then i recover and let sit over night. i assure you it stays 170-180 for well over an hour. just make sure water is at a rolling boil
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Numinosum
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Quote:
choempi said:
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Numinosum said: Hydroponic coir is notorious for being treated with tich. It does wonders for plants.
Pet store coir is best, and most commonly used.
Bad info, no coir is "treated" with trich. Coir is coir, the only differences is in the grade, as in the way the coir is processed. All can be used, but it is easier for the myc if it is the ground instead of the chips or chunks.
This is a crossover from peeps using coir for plants, if you use coir for sub you pasturize and no trich
Ok, may it is poor choice of words, description.
The point is, Trichoderma is beneficial for plants, not for your reptile terrarium.
I may be wrong but I believe pet store coir is pasteurized.
But whether treated with trich or not, hydroponic coir has trich.
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Quoted from Empire Organics:
Naturally contains Trichoderma a natural rooting/ growth agent.
Now from my understanding, trichoderma spores do not readily germinate on coir.
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Also quoted from Empire Organics:
Mold and fungal resistant
So if it contains trichoderma, but it doesn't germinate on coir, I came to the conclusion it was treated.
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Pfffffff said: If it was "treated" with trich, wouldn't the trich flourish while it sat on the shelf in a bag? Seems that would be a fairly good environment for it to take off and you would surely see it quite quickly.
No because on the shelf it is dry. Thats like saying if you spawned mushroom mycelium to dry coir, it too would flourish.
In the end, I stand by my statement. People who use coir for hydroponic purposes LIKE trichoderma and is advertised to contain it.
People who use coir for their reptiles do not want trichoderma.
References: Here.
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