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agua
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Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help.
#13021557 - 08/08/10 12:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to make a small monotub from a small food container. Here's a pic to give a sense of the dimensions:

Since I haven't found a tek (yet) that explains monotubs with specific language, or that deals with anything this small, I have no idea where to begin.I'll just explain what is intended here.
1. BS: Probably popcorn or BRF cakes
2. Casing: 50/50 is as far as I will go with casings. I just do not have the time or resource involve in casing more complex than this. The most important thing is if it works keep it simple.What I don't know is how the monotub itself is to be built:
(a) The lid is not clear. Not completely opaque but not clear and may not allow sufficient light. I am thinking to cover with Saran-wrap and use the lid itself for the 12/12 cycle.
(b) Tape outside, or plastic inside (?)
(c) Most importantly - hydration, FAE and humidity. This is a small tub, so I don't imagine (at least) that polyfill holes are needed, yet I don't imagine it can hurt(2" holes on each side?). Before I order polyfill I want to NEED it.
Any and all guidance more than appreciated.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13021571 - 08/08/10 12:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can do it in milk jugs too, works like a charm. so that should work. holes in the top 2 holes on the long side go for it.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13021585 - 08/08/10 12:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have tried with hpoo bulk and found holes necessary. Don't do casing because its not needed.Just spawn popcorn in some coir/coffee/verm mixture and wait until it colonizes. I would recommend tape outside but many other will tell you plastic inside to do what suits you the best. Fan 2-3 times a day by opening the lid and mist when needed.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: Hacendado]
#13021707 - 08/08/10 01:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks. Don't mean to put you off but I need as a rule to work within the means immediately available. I want to keep things as simple as possible. I know nothing about spawn and even if I did it is not within my time or means, which is why the intent is to use 50/50. If 50/50 works (which is what I want to know) that's what I'll use. I don't know anything about coffe/coir/verm and unless someone can tell me specifically what to do and how to do it, I just don't have time to experiment-i.e. with manufacture of molds and bacteria as a result of introducing new material or conditions for them.
I didn't think fanning and misting would be necessary, which is why I want to do this at all, to free up the time it takes to manage and maintain.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13021725 - 08/08/10 01:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13021726 - 08/08/10 01:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
agua said:
I didn't think fanning and misting would be necessary
your shrooms will not grow up to be big girls and boys unless you do.
also a 50/50 spawn to bulk is good.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13021746 - 08/08/10 01:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
agua said: I know nothing about spawn and even if I did it is not within my time or means, which is why the intent is to use 50/50. If 50/50 works (which is what I want to know) that's what I'll use. I don't know anything about coffe/coir/verm
You my friend need to read more. A lot more.
I read on here for 4 months hours a day before I tried bulk.
Some people start off with bulk right off the bat, most fail.
You should start with the PF tek. Learn sterile procedure, and see how it all works.
Learn the basics, and while you do PF, read about bulk.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: k00laid]
#13022165 - 08/08/10 03:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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The main hype noted reading monotub teks has been "no fanning- no misting, ever". I've seen this again and again, which is the only reason I would think such a thing. If that information is incorrect, then those who are saying so in their teks need to retract such statements.
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The body of the human being stands up straight
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: Base Icks]
#13022269 - 08/08/10 03:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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*sigh* -on partial quoting-
My statement "not knowing anything, etc." has nothing to do with not reading or learning abc-pft. I emphasize working within the means I have available and doing things the way I am already familiar with specifically to avoid additional costs and wasted time and resource on experimental failures. I've read all about coir, and - it is NOT an option at this time, so "I don't know anything about it." WHy? For the exact reasons mentioned, time, resource, and above all else risk. I am not willing to risk onging projects by introducing unfamiliar processes to the environment. To do so would be irresponsible and foolish.
What I am asking is for general instruction in making a BS monotub with the means and by the method specified. So far it seems to be workable, but I still don't know exactly what to do. Per example- how do I prepare the tub? Do I mix the spawn with the 50/50 or treat it as a normal casing? These are the kind of details and distinctions I'm asking about since I know my intention to use 50/50 is not necessarily a standard for monotubs, and which no amount of reading may answer exactly.
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The mind of the human animal crawls on all fours.
It only eats, sleeps, fucks and fights.
The body of the human being stands up straight
The mind of the human being stands up straight.
It intuits, perceives, creates and evolves.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13022296 - 08/08/10 03:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I personally havent seen anyone use 50/50 mix as a bulk substrate. Someone might have some it, but for the most part its used as a casing layer. Its used as a casing because its though to be mostly not nutritious and the mycelium wont colonise it. Manure/straw/coir are thought to be nutritious and thats why they are used.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: Base Icks]
#13022350 - 08/08/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never mist nor fan... but I had a small tub with humidity high at all times. If u fan u need to mist. I'm happy just having a fan in the same room. It worked pro and humidity never went down unless the tub was opened . n nothing wrong with going straight to bulk . Use horse or cow poo if u don't want to mess with coir. Pasteurize it and mix ur cakes or rye and ur done. A plastic bag isn't needed just recommended. 50/50 is a casing layer that is applied after colonization .
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: Anarchyfest]
#13022387 - 08/08/10 03:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: Anarchyfest]
#13022580 - 08/08/10 04:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the links...read them a long time ago. I've no need for 5 quarts of coir or anything else at this time-in which case these teks, as informative as they may be, are of no immediate use, as long as they don't explain anything about volume or ratio to suit various sized projects. So I buy a brick of coir and have no time to use it = overhead storage of materials liable to waste.
I'm only interested in a tub the size which is shown and the most efficient procedure within the available means. IF I must use coir/verm/cofee then the question is how much of this mixture should be made to suit this volume?
Again I aappreciate the links but I'm really not into experimenting with failure on a scale that great, nor can I accommodate such a scale.
-------------------- The body of the human animal stands up straight
The mind of the human animal crawls on all fours.
It only eats, sleeps, fucks and fights.
The body of the human being stands up straight
The mind of the human being stands up straight.
It intuits, perceives, creates and evolves.
The human animal must be trained with religion
To believe what an animal cannot know.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13022667 - 08/08/10 05:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do have a question about something...
On these monotubs what is the placement of the polyfill holes? It doesn't seem as though the entire tub is very deep- so the whole mix is only three or four inches in depth?
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The mind of the human animal crawls on all fours.
It only eats, sleeps, fucks and fights.
The body of the human being stands up straight
The mind of the human being stands up straight.
It intuits, perceives, creates and evolves.
The human animal must be trained with religion
To believe what an animal cannot know.
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Re: Portotub (mini monotub) plan - 1st time, need help. [Re: agua]
#13025389 - 08/09/10 07:08 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you need to do a mini mono. AKA MSG =mono/shotgun hybrid.
Drill holes every two inches starting at the substrate level and going up. all four sides around and the lid.
Dude just get a block of coir. It cost less than 5 bucks. If you have extra and never grow again. give it away. Its not that big a deal. You could buy a small thing of hay at the pet store that they use for rabbits and the like, but honestly if your already at the pet store, get some coir.
you could use this for your substrate measurements.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11501203#11501203
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