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Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics).
    #13022707 - 08/08/10 05:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

10 BRF cakes. GT strain.  Shotgun FC w/ approx 4+ inches perlite.  FAE approx. 6 times per day, misting approx 3 times per day.  I let fully colonize and waited an additional week to birth.  Dunked all cakes but only rolled 6 and left 4 unrolled just to see the difference. 

Two weeks later: 3 of my cakes fruit and this is what I get....not that bad for my first time I don't think.  these cakes are now sitting in some water rehydrating
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4 of my cakes (3 un-rolled and one rolled) show very little fruit, a few very small pins but nothing beyond that so I re dunked and rolled and put them in their own Shotgun FC...we'll see how those pan out.

The other 3 cakes are still sitting in the FC.  The one un-rolled only has two tiny mushrooms coming off the side and they might possibly be aborts.  There are a few tiny pins but those look aborted too.  Any reason this cake looks like this?  It grew some aerial mycelium and then a few pins and then nothing.  Been in the FC for close to 2+weeks.
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The other 2 rolled cakes have ok growth but one cake looks like it aborted ALL the fruits and the other cake looks very stalled but not as aborted as the other cake.  Any suggestions on what to do with these and reasons why they ended up like this? 
This is the one that looks like all of them are aborted and Im not sure why
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This one looks better than the previous but still not that great.  Why are they so small and stalled?  It seems like they stalled just before the veil was to break.
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Here they are next to each other...
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Just really unsure why some cakes produced and some did not.  I guess I should mention that when I first dunked the cakes I did so in the 1/2 pint jars, not sure if that matters or not.  I also had to rebuild my FC after the first week b/c I realized I made it wrong.  I had standing water in the bottom 1-2" of the perlite and only holes on 4 sides.  I realized my mistake and corrected the problem after the first week the cakes were in there....could that have resulted in my poor fruiting?  Any help or ideas are greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: digitaljosh]
    #13022798 - 08/08/10 05:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

im going to offer limited knowledge and say it looks like a lack of humidity. I would doubt (tho I'm not a seasoned veteran) that it was lack of fresh air. what ratio of food/verm/water did you use?


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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: Wraistlingill]
    #13022887 - 08/08/10 06:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

My hygrometer was reading right around 95%.  I used 1/4 cup water.  1/4 cup brf.  2/3 cup verm. per 1/2 pint jar.

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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: digitaljosh]
    #13022903 - 08/08/10 06:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Seems like your cakes may have been a little dry. Next time when you mix up your jars do a 1/2 cup verm, 1/4 cup brf, and 1/4 cup water. Did you mist the cakes after you rolled them?


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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: sax220]
    #13022975 - 08/08/10 06:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Are you saying I had too much verm? So there wasn't enough moisture to begin with? 
yeah I did mist but was always unsure of how much water to use each misting.  Do I want to saturate the cakes first thing? should my misting change at all once pins form or once the fruit begins to grow substantially?

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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: digitaljosh]
    #13023124 - 08/08/10 06:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Usually for PF cakes, the formula I've heard over and over has been 2-1-1 verm, flour, water. From what I've read, you want to do a pretty good misting once you put them in your fruiting chamber, and then lightly mist when you mist the terrarium. Once your pins form, it's still ok to mist. You don't want standing water on them or they will abort. But if you mist kind of around them and then fan them, you should be ok. I'm still on my first grow, but since I've started doing this, my cakes pinned like crazy 2 days after rolling.


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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: sax220]
    #13023153 - 08/08/10 07:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the info.  It could be a number of issues I suppose.  Maybe since I had too much verm the cakes didn't have access to the water they needed BUT I did dunk them for 24 hours after birthing so shouldn't that have made it right?   
Also, I did build my shotgun wrong and had the cakes in there a full week before I realized it so that might have played a role I guess.  Thanks for the thoughts.

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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: digitaljosh]
    #13023164 - 08/08/10 07:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Dunking them probably did help a lot with the water. But yeah shit happens. My shotgun was messed up too, and my pins all stalled. Fixed the issue and now things are starting to look good.


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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: sax220]
    #13023194 - 08/08/10 07:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Im going to try casing on my next go round I think.  I also split up my cakes now.  So 5 cakes in one 60 L. tub and 5 cakes in another.  Are you using a hygrometer? I got a shitty plastic one that doesnt really calibrate all that well but Im fairly certain my RH is around 90-95%.  Ive heard that if you use the shotgun method correctly the RH will always be around 90-95%.

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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: digitaljosh]
    #13023240 - 08/08/10 07:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard people do really well with casing. I also have a shitty, plastic walmart one, BUT I do see humidity in the air and the sides, and it's reading at 99%. As long as you have holes in the bottom and 3-4 inches of perlite, it should keep your humidity up.


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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: sax220]
    #13023300 - 08/08/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

After these I pulled last which almost all were blackish heads and aborts, I wanna see it again lol. Cause they are some damn good shrooms.


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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: Fungal-one]
    #13023333 - 08/08/10 07:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Is it ok to eat the aborts? As you can see in the pics Ive got some decent sized aborts.  They are alright to eat?

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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: sax220]
    #13023340 - 08/08/10 07:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Those don't look like aborts to me they look pretty good just give them some more time to finish growing keep misting and fanning. extra dunks should only be done between "flushes". It will slow them down because of the cold Cubensis are a tropical species.


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Re: Help please. Cakes stalling and aborting (pics). [Re: MegaGoomba]
    #13023393 - 08/08/10 07:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think your cakes look great.  I would just wait.  It looks like the veils are coming in.


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