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Re: Hitler [Re: Skikid16]
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Doesn't Iraq have the 4th largest army in the world? I'm not sure, but I thought I heard that figure somewhere.


That's North Korea


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Hitler [Re: Cracka_X]
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After the first three largest armies in the world there's a real big fucking drop off. The Hare Krishna's have the fifth largest army in the world.

- Bill Hicks


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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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haha



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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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the only way to kill an Hare Krishna is with a healthy supply of duct tape...


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Hitler [Re: Innvertigo]
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yeah but germany never tried to attack us at that point.....Isn't that the same as the situation we're in now with Iraq?...Butting our noses where they don't belong.....

if saddam hussein was carrying out a systematic genocide, I'd demand and support any efforts to remove him. do you really think that we should not have entered world war two? do you really think that we should have allowed fascism to spread across an entire continent (and eventually, further), trailing genocide in it's wake? if so, i'd would suggest that that in itself makes you a nazi.

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Re: Hitler [Re: ]
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****you really think that we should have allowed fascism to spread across an entire continent ****

What difference does it make? That wasn't going on in our country nor our continent so it was none of our business....(you do know i'm trying to prove a point don't you?)

****(and eventually, further)****

Noone knew that at the time...similar to today

****i'd would suggest that that in itself makes you a nazi. ****

a nazi? yeah right, try again. No it's just me trying to show you that it seems funny that when europe is getting it's ass kicked it is somehow our responsibility to bail them out but when we are attacked we should do nothing...that was my point. If you couldn't see the sarcasm in my responses then that is your problem not mine.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Hitler [Re: Innvertigo]
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when we are attacked we should do nothing


when was the last time Saddam attacked the US exactly? Not including Iraqis shooting at US planes that could be argued shouldn't be there in the first place. I'm sure if there were Iraqi planes flying over the US every man and his dog would be firing at them.

(forgive me if I missed your sarcasm, it's so hard to read sarcastic comments)


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Re: Hitler [Re: MushyMay]
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****when was the last time Saddam attacked the US exactly?****

They didn't..i already said i'm against war in this instance, even though he's violated his surrender agreements which is all the reason the US needs for war.

how many germans were attacking the US at the beginning of the war? None...that was my point.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Hitler [Re: Innvertigo]
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Ok, Ok, maybe i'm not understanding you. do you think that the United States should have done nothing to stop the Nazi regime from systematically murdering millions of Jews?


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Re: Hitler [Re: Innvertigo]
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when europe is getting it's ass kicked it is somehow our responsibility to bail them out

When exactly did you ever bail out europe? In the first world war you were 3 years late, in the second you were 3 years late and it took Germany declaring war on america to get you involved. By 1944 the Russians had the germans on the run so America helped launch a desperate invasion to try and grab some of Europe before the russians drove the germans into the sea.

Maybe that's Bush's philosophy. Three years late for the last two world wars but he really wants to be on time for the third...


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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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uhh no, Russia wanted us to help them on their front, but instead we wanted to land on Normandy and open a new front to crush Germany from all over. The US freed the French, shit if it weren't for the US then Europe would be a Nazi Empire.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Hitler [Re: Cracka_X]
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No, the russians were rapidly advancing into Europe. The US panicked that if they didn't invade Russia would control all of Europe. They certainly didn't need any american help by 1944, the germans were in headlong retreat.


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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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It seems we have different interperations of what happened.

SOMEBODY BUTT IN AND SET THE STORY STRAIGHT. Where's Mr Mushrooms when you need em.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Hitler [Re: Cracka_X]
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Be aware that as an America hater, anything Alpo says should be taken with a very LARGE grain of salt.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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al. the first U.S. troops to enter the war arrived in britain on january 26th, 1942. at the time, the nazis were steadily advancing through the soviet union. it wasn't until february of 1943 that the germans were defeated at stalingrad and began to be pushed back. the U.S. entered the war against germany because their ally bombed us and they declared war on us. the united states did not enter the war to prevent a future soviet domination of europe. that only became a goal later in the war.

i don't think your facts are completely correct. without the help of the united states, the axis powers would have won the war. however, as an america hater, this much you should agree on... we attacked them because they attacked us. we had no interest in saving europe from the totalitarian nazis, fascists, or soviets. we were not in it to save the jews. we "stayed out of their business" as long as we possibly could. had we not been attacked, hitler would have won, murdered an entire race of people, and established totalitarian control of europe, africa, and much of asia. japan would have conquered the rest of asia and australia. and we would have just watched. eventually, they would have come for us, probably by then armed with nuclear weapons.

it's a damn good thing we got in that war. we saved the world al.

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Re: Hitler [Re: ]
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without the help of the united states, the axis powers would have won the war.

Do you think those 30 million dead russians had a little to do with it?

the united states did not enter the war to prevent a future soviet domination of europe

I said D-day was about preventing future soviet domination. By 1944 the war was over with the Germans in headlong retreat. There's no question about that.

as an america hater

I love america. Probably a lot more than you ever will. Don't confuse loving Bush with loving america. They arn't the same thing and never will be.

we saved the world al.

No, the russians did.


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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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Probably a lot more than you ever will


That's just silly.

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Don't confuse loving Bush with loving america


I think Bush was the better of two poor choices, doesn't mean I love him. I don't know why you feel the need to try and put words in anyones mouth. You're not very good at it.


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without the help of the united states, the axis powers would have won the war.

Do you think those 30 million dead russians had a little to do with it?


Do you not comprehend the meaning of the word help?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (02/16/03 12:48 PM)

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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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al, 13,600,000 russians soliders died in the war. not 30 million. and you do see the flaw in that sort of reasoning anyway, don't you? you don't win by getting killed. an incorrect and logically irrelevant statistic does nothing for your case.

historical facts are what you need to prove you're right, but i think you'd be hard pressed to find them. world war two was a close one. the russians did help alot, maybe without them, we couldn't have won. i'm sure that without us, they wouldn't have won either.

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Re: Hitler [Re: ]
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Thank you for shedding some light, but saving the Jews was a goal of the US, but instead of bombing the camps and killing Jews in the process they focused on the invasion of Normandy and then when everything is clear save the Jews. But that was a goal, just not a huge priority.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Hitler [Re: Xlea321]
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30 million dead russians




Table 2--ARMED FORCES PEAK STRENGTHS AND BATTLE DEATHS OF THE
PRINCIPAL ALLIED POWERS

Nation Peak strength Battle deaths
Australia 680,000 23,365
Belgium 650,000 7,760
Canada 780,000 37,476
China 5,000,000 2,200,000(1)
Denmark 25,000 3,006(2)
France 5,000,000 210,671
Greece 414,000 73,700(2)
India 2,150,000 24,338
Netherlands 410,000 6,238
New Zealand 157,000 10,033
Norway 45,000 1,000
Poland 1,000,000 320,000
USSR 12,500,000 7,500,000
Union of South Africa 140,000 6,840
United Kingdom 5,120,000 244,723
United States 12,300,000 292,131
Yugoslavia 500,000 410,000(2)

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Perhaps the rest of the dead were in the missing 50% of the British Empire.

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Edit: Oops.... forgot the link!
http://gi.grolier.com/wwii/wwii_16.html


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (02/16/03 10:55 AM)

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