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jokefox
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yes that is a great method akira mad a mod of it i guess with a 50 gallon rough neck instead of a drum and instead of the sacks he used 3ml bags
i like the 3ml bags more , because you can seal them after and store them
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: jokefox]
#13025018 - 08/09/10 02:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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sure thing just read that tek this morning, when i got more space, and need more edibles, am deffo gonna build one of them, totally fool proof.
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Some great ideas here.
I am doing something much like Hamloaf right now.
(but I am adding putting the bag *through* the weight is a good addition ;0)
When I have the dough, something like the immersion heater might be interesting.
(what was the "akira" device? ....I will Google)
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: Javadog]
#13025542 - 08/09/10 08:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its on here some where JD.
Akira is a member, been around a long time. I think I saw a link to it before, cant remember what it was now.
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: Base Icks]
#13025549 - 08/09/10 08:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah, I see. I will keep an eye open for it. THX!
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: Javadog]
#13025655 - 08/09/10 09:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: Numinosum]
#13025825 - 08/09/10 10:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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FractalXplora said: you simply cant go wrong with water at 170oC, pour onto sub, chuck it in a big bucket lid on 2 hours? will pasterize perfect every time and sit at 150 for ages!
forget the oven, too expensive and pointless:)
Can you explain to me how you have water at 170 deg C?
Yeah,so Fractal...you pasteurize at 338° F huh...I mean after all,you DID say to use 170° C water!
170° C converts to 338° F,only 88° F hotter than 250° F....so basically you say you can sterilize your horse poo and not get contaminants huh....man I bet a lot of plastics would melt with a temp of 338° F.
170° C to pasteurize 
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: hamloaf]
#13025949 - 08/09/10 10:37 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay I had to come back and apologize for my douchbagness...
I understand you meant 170° F and not celsius (I at least hope so) and I only went off like that for the fear of some poor noob trying to pasteurize at a ridiculous temperature that would literally sterilize their bulk substrate.
But still,I wouldn't recommend someone try to sterilize their horse poo/coffee with the boiling water in a bucket method.For that I would recommend either big jars or PC'able bags with filter patches and bringing the bulk substrate/mix to field capacity before loading in jars or bags,then just place in an open PC and keep the water temp around 140° F to 160° F for 1-2 hours,don't let it get above 170° F the whole time.
^ That would be proper pasteurization.
For coir/vermiculite....boiling water in a bucket works just fine,as coir it self is very resistant to contamination.
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: Okay I had to come back and apologize for my douchbagness...
I understand you meant 170° F and not celsius (I at least hope so) and I only went off like that for the fear of some poor noob trying to pasteurize at a ridiculous temperature that would literally sterilize their bulk substrate.
But still,I wouldn't recommend someone try to sterilize their horse poo/coffee with the boiling water in a bucket method.For that I would recommend either big jars or PC'able bags with filter patches and bringing the bulk substrate/mix to field capacity before loading in jars or bags,then just place in an open PC and keep the water temp around 140° F to 160° F for 1-2 hours,don't let it get above 170° F the whole time.
^ That would be proper pasteurization.
For coir/vermiculite....boiling water in a bucket works just fine,as coir it self is very resistant to contamination.

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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: hamloaf]
#13025998 - 08/09/10 10:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: Okay I had to come back and apologize for my douchbagness...
I understand you meant 170° F and not celsius (I at least hope so) and I only went off like that for the fear of some poor noob trying to pasteurize at a ridiculous temperature that would literally sterilize their bulk substrate.
But still,I wouldn't recommend someone try to sterilize their horse poo/coffee with the boiling water in a bucket method.For that I would recommend either big jars or PC'able bags with filter patches and bringing the bulk substrate/mix to field capacity before loading in jars or bags,then just place in an open PC and keep the water temp around 140° F to 160° F for 1-2 hours,don't let it get above 170° F the whole time.
^ That would be proper pasteurization.
For coir/vermiculite....boiling water in a bucket works just fine,as coir it self is very resistant to contamination.

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Okay I had to come back and apologize for my douchbagness...
LOL, i was just comin back at ya to read the whole thread.
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But still,I wouldn't recommend someone try to sterilize their horse poo/coffee with the boiling water in a bucket method.For that I would recommend either big jars or PC'able bags with filter patches and bringing the bulk substrate/mix to field capacity before loading in jars or bags,then just place in an open PC and keep the water temp around 140° F to 160° F for 1-2 hours,don't let it get above 170° F the whole time.
3 years worth of monotubs with mainly poo tell me this works man, believe it or not.
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Gypsum can go in the bucket too with your coir/verm. Additives and manures must be properly pasteurized (I use water as a heat medium), then mixed together when cooled to room temps. HL
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Okay I had to come back and apologize for my douchbagness...
LOL, i was just comin back at ya to read the whole thread.
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But still,I wouldn't recommend someone try to sterilize their horse poo/coffee with the boiling water in a bucket method.For that I would recommend either big jars or PC'able bags with filter patches and bringing the bulk substrate/mix to field capacity before loading in jars or bags,then just place in an open PC and keep the water temp around 140° F to 160° F for 1-2 hours,don't let it get above 170° F the whole time.
3 years worth of monotubs with mainly poo tell me this works man, believe it or not.
Again,I am not saying that the boiling water in a bucket method hasn't worked for you and your horse poo.BUT IW OULD NOT RECOMMEND IT TO ANYONE IF USING POO/COFFEE.
For that it is best to properly pasteurize as Hamloaf and I have said.RR and any TC will tell you the same thing.
Again,I am not saying it hasn't worked for you,but I would not recommend it to anyone unless using just coco coir/vermiculite,and neither will any TC.
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RR said;
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2. Don't use liquid coffee in anything that doesn't get sterilized. Liquid coffee will contaminate easily if it's not kept totally sterile until fully colonized. Spent coffee grounds are OK in a bulk substrate, but not liquid coffee. RR
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For that it is best to properly pasteurize as Hamloaf and I have said.RR and any TC will tell you the same thing.
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I pasteurize my manure(s) and other additives using water as my heat transfer medium in 4 gallon spawn bags inside of my P23 pot on top of my stove. I slip the spawn bag through the hole of a 15 pound weight so that when the water boils, the substrate and the bag do no shift around during pasteurization and allowing extra moisture to get into my bag and ruin field capacity.
I then place a meat thermometer through the hole of the weight and into the core of the substrate in the bag.
I then turn the stove onto high and wait for my meat thermometer to read 170 degrees Fahrenheit, then I turn my stove off and put on the lid. When I come back 90 minutes later, my thermometer reads 150 degrees every time.
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But still,I wouldn't recommend someone try to sterilize their horse poo/coffee with the boiling water in a bucket method.For that I would recommend either big jars or PC'able bags with filter patches and bringing the bulk substrate/mix to field capacity before loading in jars or bags,then just place in an open PC and keep the water temp around 140° F to 160° F for 1-2 hours,don't let it get above 170° F the whole time.
I say, theres no difference, apart form the bag.
And yes I often use coffee to this way never had a problem.
Bag or no bag 140 - 160 oF tell me the difference?
Check with thermometer and your good to go.
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Are you having that hard of a time understanding that I am not saying it hasn't worked for you?!
I am glad that it in fact has worked for you,but I would not recommend pasteurizing poo or coffee grounds that way to anyone.
Nice quote from RR,don't know what it has to do with this though.Yes SPENT coffee GROUNDS are ok in a bulk substrate,but not liquid coffee...but no where in that quote did RR mention that it's wise to pasteurize poo or coffee grounds using the boiling water in a bucket method...no,no he did not.In fact I bett RR would recommend using jars or filter patch bags in a large pot or PC and to set you stoves temperature so that you pasteurize between 140° F and 160° F for 1-2 hours,without going above 170° F for too long.
I am not going to argue with you any longer and all I am saying is that while it may have worked for you,you should not be spreading that advice around.
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this all sounds way to complicated, i rather mix my sub / casing to field capacity, load it into oven bags, put a thermometer in there and heat it to 140 - 160 for an hour, that removes all doubt from my mind and seems SIMPLE ENOUGH!
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: jokefox]
#13026753 - 08/09/10 02:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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jokefox said: if i was to seal the bags after pasteurization should i suck the air out or leave some in
should i seal it before or after it cools and then how should i store it after i seal it
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Re: pasteurization problems [Re: rave420]
#13026764 - 08/09/10 02:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats my point rave420,
Im having trouble understanding what the difference is between keeping you sub at 140-160 F in a bag @ filed capacity on a pot for 1 half hours, compared to keeping it in a bucket of water at 140-160 F for 1 half hours, with a drain to get to right capacity?
If I am wrong, or missing the point can someone please correct me with an explanation.
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