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    #13013815 - 08/06/10 06:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ok i just recently ( week ago ) put my first ever pf cake in the fc. Anways i cut my holes way too close and way too many. I have tried to get the humidity up by taping holes, adding more perlite, moving to areas that have better air flow, calibrated hydrometer using damp cloth method etc,etc. Temp in house is at 76 degrees all the time day and night. My fc is a very small plastic storage container just like the big ones only smaller. I figured it would be a waste to use my other fc 58qt until i have a few cakes to fruit so thats why i bought the small one. Anyways, would it be worth it since i screwed up my small fc to go ahead and use my full 58qt for just 1 cake? Or maybe a 2 liter bottle?

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13013878 - 08/06/10 06:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Also im misting 3 times a day and fae around 5 times a day.

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13013982 - 08/06/10 06:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If you continue to mist 3 times a day and not let it dry out at all you should be fine without moving it to a new fc.

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Re: FC. [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13014022 - 08/06/10 06:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Oh its definitely not dry. I usually mist heavily in morning and heavily at night and throughout the day i mist slightly if i see its getting dry. The problem,well one of the problems, is the fc i messed up when i put shit ton of holes in it. My friend was the one who actually drilled the holes and turns out his idea of 2 inches seems like half an inch. I know there are a TON of post on humidity but nothing has worked so far. Most i can get out of it is 80-85% humidity. Oh and i also have 4 to 5 inches of wet perlite in bottom as well.

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13014069 - 08/06/10 06:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Make sure there's no standing water in the perilite. You should be fine with that level of humidity.

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Re: FC. [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13014088 - 08/06/10 07:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

For sure, ya theres no standing water, but i thought, and read you need 95-100% rh for fruiting brf cakes?

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13014128 - 08/06/10 07:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

That's optimal but I personally wouldn't freak out about 80-85% better to let them run there course in my opinion then handle them a bunch and move um around.

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13014154 - 08/06/10 07:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Just remember DO NOT SPRAY THE FRUITS DIRECTLY!!
You're already gonna get a ton of aborts(sorry)
but you should get a few fine specimens as long as you primarily spray the walls and a fine mist ABOVE the chamber.  Never spray the fruits, my friend.

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Re: FC. [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13014155 - 08/06/10 07:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah i agree that handling the cakes should be only done when you absolutely have to. I suppose ill just keep doing what im doing and see what happens. This is my first grow so i really want to wait until my other jars are done before i use my big fc. Hopefully ill be seeing some pins soon seeing how its been a week and a day since i put the cake in fc.

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13014162 - 08/06/10 07:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Don't set yout expectations too high for a single cake in a shotgun.
Your primary concern should be getting a spore sample, maybe a dose.
Just keep on truckin' brother!

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    #13014167 - 08/06/10 07:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Just remember DO NOT SPRAY THE FRUITS DIRECTLY!!
You're already gonna get a ton of aborts(sorry)
but you should get a few fine specimens as long as you primarily spray the walls and a fine mist ABOVE the chamber.  Never spray the fruits, my friend.



Geez I keep hearing conflicting info lol. I thought you should spray cakes with a fine mist every now and again? Well if thats the case maybe thats the one of my problems. I never do soak the cake though. I have a spray nozzle that i use that sprays a VERY fine mist so hopefully if i stop that now ill be ok.

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Re: FC. [Re: pipe dope]
    #13014168 - 08/06/10 07:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I have to disagree with not misting directly, I mist directly, and very heavily, and this is what happens. Direct spraying does not cause aborts.


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Re: FC. [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13014176 - 08/06/10 07:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Thats basically what im doing, just hoping for a few fruits to take prints and a dose for me. Im not getting into anything else until i have this down forst.

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Re: FC. [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13014183 - 08/06/10 07:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

F'n beautiful bro!!
But that's not a cake.
The mushers on my cakes aborted like crazy when I directly misted them, even though I rolled em in verm.

I stopped misting directly and FINALLY!! a few mushers matured.  I wanted to quit this hobby next day.

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Re: FC. [Re: pipe dope]
    #13014186 - 08/06/10 07:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yea I'll give you that, I started with pf tek but found them to be much to sensitive, you let them dry a tiny bit and your back to square one, casing layers are so much more forgiving when it comes to humidity.

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13014193 - 08/06/10 07:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Geez I keep hearing conflicting info lol. I thought you should spray cakes with a fine mist every now and again? Well if thats the case maybe thats the one of my problems. I never do soak the cake though. I have a spray nozzle that i use that sprays a VERY fine mist so hopefully if i stop that now ill be ok.




Welcome to the shroomery.  I think the number 1 reason people mess up their first times is because of all the damn misinformation on these boards.  The idea is to find a method that works for you and stick to it.  Goodluck.

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Re: FC. [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13014198 - 08/06/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hopefully in the near future i can start getting into casing but for the moment im still learning basics and the hardest thing to learn of all......patience.

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Re: FC. [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13014204 - 08/06/10 07:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Man you got that right.
I tried PF tek again to test the shotgun terrarium, which is still a pretty new idea.  If someone told me to put holes in my fc 5 years ago I woulda said they were crazy.

I'm only doing casings from now on.

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Re: FC. [Re: pipe dope]
    #13014249 - 08/06/10 07:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Just remember DO NOT SPRAY THE FRUITS DIRECTLY!!



Direct misting does not cause aborts. I hose down substrate blocks outside with a garden hose and the mushrooms just laugh at me. Inadequate fresh air exchange after misting, and the lack of associated evaporation, is the real culprit behind aborts caused by misting.


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Re: FC. [Re: pipe dope]
    #13014273 - 08/06/10 07:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Just remember DO NOT SPRAY THE FRUITS DIRECTLY!!
You're already gonna get a ton of aborts(sorry)
but you should get a few fine specimens as long as you primarily spray the walls and a fine mist ABOVE the chamber.  Never spray the fruits, my friend.




That is absolute nonsense. 

You can spray the fruits directly.  For crying out loud, I blast mine with a garden hose.  Exactly how do you think mushrooms grow so well in the rain if they can't get wet? :shrug:

Some total moron posted not to spray fruits about ten years ago and people for some reason have kept repeating that horrible advice ever since.
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    #13014292 - 08/06/10 07:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up R.R. Whats a good way to know if you cakes have or need more water? I know sometimes when i spray mine they might turn a bit blue, not bad but you notice it, is that one way?

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Re: FC. [Re: Teezy]
    #13014328 - 08/06/10 08:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The easiest way to judge moisture content when you're new is to pick the cake up.  You can tell by the weight if it's dry or not.  You want to mist a few times daily.  When water is evaporating from a substrate, it's a major pinning trigger, but that water needs to be replaced.  Your 85% humidity will be fine if you'll just mist more.  The key is to make sure all the water is evaporated off the fruits themselves within 15 minutes.  If not, it means you need more air exchange.

Your small terrarium isn't going to work as well.  I'd consider a 58 quart tub to be minimum size.  Build a shotgun terrarium per the tek and it will work great.  If you want to watch a video of one under construction, it's part 3.
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    #13014432 - 08/06/10 08:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ok thanks a ton. Yeah i watched the videos a few times over and i guessed it would work better if i had a small fc for just one cake. I see now that i should have just done it per instructions. And i do have a 58qt fc ready with holes and all, so i guess ill just let this cake do its thing, but after my other jars are ready ill put directly in my 58qt fc. Again thanks for all your help.

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Re: FC. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13014524 - 08/06/10 08:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I coulda sworn I read you say that, alone with a million other people.  I was under the impression that droplets on the fruits made them abort and that was the main reason we're supposed to fan after misting.

I feel stoned right now but if RR is saying it I'll believe it.  :blush:  :frown:

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