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Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek * 15
    #1300760 - 02/11/03 07:53 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

first of all this tek is meant for people who enjoy cake growing, bag growing or are just too damn lazy to cook grain or make bulk substrates. this is also for people who only have one pf jars worth of mycelia.  1 jar can easily turn into 100 in a 2 weeks time.  this basically is spawning with brf using ziplocs and no flowhood!!!!!!!

1 pf jar was turned into 25 bags in 2 weeks. that is 100 jars worth of substrate from 1 pf jar.  now, take into consideration g2g(grain to grain transfers) with the limitations of this tek.  a friend did this for 2 months straight with no contamination, however it is highly suggested after 2-3 transfers or 1 month renewing the mycelia. after 3 transfers you want to start from scratch again with fresh culture.


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1. 1 colonized pf jar
2. 4 uncolonized but pced sterile pf jars.
3. 1 ziplock bag
4. 1 needle

procedure:

1.  turn off your ac 30 minutes prior to any work. clean your work area using alcohol and lysol bleach wipes.  wear a mask and gloves.  do not touch the any of the pf cakes on the inside. you only want to touch the outsides of the jars.
2.  get 4 uncolonized but sterilized pf cake jars and 1 colonized pf jar. Turn them upside down and pat them until they are loose from the jar.
3.  open lids and dump off excess verm layer then dump 1 jar in. you can close the bag between the time you are about to dump the next cake in. dump all 4 uncolonized cakes into ziploc with colonized bag.( this needs to be done very quickly, less airtime the less chance for contams)
4.  now seal ziploc and crunch up all cakes, making sure the colonized cake gets spread evenly throughout the bag.  this way colonization takes place quickly.
5.LASTLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY.
Poke holes with an 70% iso wiped needle.  use a small sewing needle so that a few holes are poked along the top of the ziploc.  and MAKE SURE you place your colonizing bags in a draft free area on a clean shelf.
6.  let incubate for 3-6 days and full colonization occurs.  no shaking necessary. 

included below are some pics. the first is 1 day after incubation, the second is 3 days after incubation.  this is an incredible discovery in brf.  it is a simple newb way of multiplying spawn ten fold in 2 weeks.  all you have to do is keep making brf jars.  and then renew inoculations once a month or every few weeks.
here is a pic a the next day after spawning


here is a pic 3 days after spawning


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #1300783 - 02/11/03 08:08 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

that is beutiful


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1301543 - 02/12/03 05:46 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

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5.LASTLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY POKE HOLES USING A NEEDLE! use a small sewing needle so that a few holes are poked along the top of the ziploc.




How much air exchange is really required when colonizing cakes? If poking several holes in this method is very important, what would one do with a jar? Just leave the original holes in the tinfoil from inoculation?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek *DELETED* [Re: eatyualive]
    #1301646 - 02/12/03 06:37 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: sever]
    #1301661 - 02/12/03 06:43 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

From what I saw he means that you just dump the contents of the PF jar itself into the bag. So this means that you would use the entire contents of the PF jar, not just brown rice flower.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: LockNTross]
    #1302022 - 02/12/03 09:55 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

LockNTross,

the real key to this is the air exchange. if you don't poke the holes you get some soure smelling bags after a few days.

yes, you use the contents of pf jars. you would still have to make the jars but you don't have to multispore inoculate so often.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1302105 - 02/12/03 10:35 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

hey this seems like an interesting tek and i was thinking that instead of using the colonized jar if you could just directly inoculate the brf in the ziplock bag, i'm assuming you used brf, and add a coulple hose at the top of the bag and put like filter paper over the hole to kep out contams and i was just wondering if someone has tried it and if they had any success using ziplock bags instead of jars i imagine it would work like a grow bag but if anyone out there has tried it let me know


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Capt_Nemo]
    #1302397 - 02/12/03 12:24 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

interesting tek.

it sortof reminds me of the hippi3 oven bag tek, but a bit simpler. this is a plus considering that the oven bag idea has been turnd against. this would be good for BRF growers to create out door patches, i would imagine. that is wha ti was looking for. thanks for the post, and again i will most likely be checking back to see what other have to say.

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: mike]
    #1302438 - 02/12/03 12:37 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

ya if you try directly inoculating the bags and substrate let me know if it works good cuz if you use brf in the ziplock bag you can boil it to sterilize it but you'll have to try and find out and let us know of the results


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Capt_Nemo]
    #1302478 - 02/12/03 12:57 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

hey this seems like an interesting tek and i was thinking that instead of using the colonized jar if you could just directly inoculate the brf in the ziplock bag, i'm assuming you used brf, and add a coulple hose at the top of the bag and put like filter paper over the hole to kep out contams and i was just wondering if someone has tried it and if they had any success using ziplock bags instead of jars i imagine it would work like a grow bag but if anyone out there has tried it let me know



Heh, A.K.A. a "Mycobag"?

It works fine as long as you have a sterile innoculation area, a vacuum sealed bag, and a filter patch exchange hole.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Seeka]
    #1302497 - 02/12/03 01:05 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

ya i know it is basically a myco bag but i believe mycobags use grain instead of brown rice flower and if you have a ziplock bag it seals pretty much air tight and for the filter patch you could as well use a pice of filer paper over the inoculation hole or you wouldn't have to but filter paper over the inoc hole if you use spore prints but i guess you'd need some holes for gas escape so you'd need filter paper over those holes i believe. but i dunno it is an idea someone will have to try and find out


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1302519 - 02/12/03 01:15 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

aye bigjohnson get on aim fool


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1302523 - 02/12/03 01:18 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

this is great... i only have one colonized jar too! i gotta try this.. has anyone else here tried it yet??


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Capt_Nemo] * 1
    #1302825 - 02/12/03 03:15 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

i was thinking that instead of using the colonized jar if you could just directly inoculate the brf in the ziplock bag




May I add something to what seeker said?

My thoughts are that it might be a bit risky, I mean spore germination takes a lot more time than it does for myc to spread and colonize the same area, does it not?

And having a zip-lock bag (that is far from airtight in the first place) with holes punched in it would be fine for myc as it would both colonise quickly and fight off a few contams here and there. With spore innoc it may be a different story, thats wy properly made myco-bags are made so well.

But hey give it a go, I think your just as likely to succeed as fail. And as they say, without experiments there could be no progress.

And great tek by the way eatyualive. I must try it soon.  :smile: 


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1302857 - 02/12/03 03:27 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

Now that you have all that, what's next? What tek are you going to use to fruit? Are you just going to leave it in the bag or are you going to case it?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1302869 - 02/12/03 03:30 PM (18 years, 26 days ago)

this belongs in the faq


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1303093 - 02/12/03 04:58 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

yea putting this in the fag's is a good idea, but arent there a few teks that resemble this? its a great tek im going to try it soon.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eleutheromania]
    #1303288 - 02/12/03 06:16 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

eleutheromania is right, multispore takes to long to colonize a large substate like this. it may encounter contams easier this way. this is similar to spawning and you want to colonize the bag asap. so 3-4 day colonization is key and ideal!

mycotopian the foaf uses flatcake tek, linked at the bottom of this reply. here are some updates updateshttp://www.nansnook.com/forum/index.php?s=67531076a55e7d20de6cbbc865ba97dd&act=SF&f=32

now this tek is similar to hippies bag tek. a foaf has tried hippies tek a few times. it is different in that you use hippies to inoculate the substrate and this is like spawning. the foaf had one bag do very well on hips bag tek but the rest contamed. brf isn't really ideal for shaking as you would do to grain to spread the colonized kernals and the foaf thinks this is the downfall of hip's tek. not to knock his tek bc it is a great idea and the basis for this tek. one problem my foaf encountered was moisture content. either too much or too little and it is hard to judge in large amounts of brf like this. using the jars makes it simpler in that you have a little leeway on moisture content.

now this tek was invented by a a foaf. it is something that just happened and worked and i thought i would share it with everyone.

now the basic idea of any incubation chamber is to make it sterile so no foreign contams enter. this is why the tek works so well bc it is kept in a sterile room or box during incubation.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1303584 - 02/12/03 08:47 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

well with that said, i would like to thank you again for a great idea.

this is like some sort of intermediate step between casing, and bulk poo.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1303599 - 02/12/03 08:52 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Great job eatyualive keep coming up with new teks and ya what are you gonna do with all that spawn.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1303766 - 02/12/03 10:02 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Wow omg i just read the first post without getting to any replies yet but someone i know actually just did this and he was worried about it not working out, except he put 50/50 ontop with only 2 uncolonized jars thou and in tupperware, basicly made a premature casing, i was wondering if it was gunna work out for him i didnt think it was because the ratio, basicly a latch ditch effort LoL, anyway the shit is colonizing quite faster and it looks like he might have a nice casing soon SAVOR EVERY JAR when yer doing fucking pf-tek he says  :grin:


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: deprave]
    #1303774 - 02/12/03 10:04 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

Im sorry if the above bost is fucked up i smoke a lot of white rhino  :tongue: :tongue:


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: deprave]
    #1303783 - 02/12/03 10:08 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

anyway i am thinking it might be a better idea to have put the peatmoss, lime, verm over the top i dont know thou ill let u know of his results its looking good thou [EDIT: ITS BEEN THREE DAYS SO FAR HE SAYS]


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: deprave]
    #1303798 - 02/12/03 10:16 PM (18 years, 25 days ago)

U should rename the TeK thou because i was unintrested at first and avoided the post for a while heh


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1304303 - 02/13/03 03:48 AM (18 years, 25 days ago)

two questions

1. do you need the dry verm layer on the uncolonized pf jars?

2. could you use 2 pint uncolonized pf jars?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: bigslick]
    #1304723 - 02/13/03 07:10 AM (18 years, 25 days ago)

deprave, sounds like your friend might get some contams. not wise to put casing on uncolonized substrate.

1.you don't need the top verm layer and i would suggest to throw it off not touching it with your hands.
2.if you use 2 colonized jars, colonization will occure much quicker.

my first ratio was 2colonized/4uncolonized.

seems to work just as good 1/4. so i use this bc the more the merrier.

and what am i going to do with all the substrate, give it back to the earth of course!!


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1309044 - 02/15/03 01:33 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

yea i think your right eatyu, he wasnt expecting results or anything just gave it a shit


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: deprave]
    #1310080 - 02/15/03 04:05 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

The Man Says: "In the near future im going to try this with Creepers. I already have 12 BF/verm jars going. One of them done on 02/07, is nearly 50% colonized. I believe this would be a fast colonizer. I want to case this with verm/coco coir, and hope it turns out nice :smile:


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: bjkroll]
    #1312261 - 02/16/03 05:46 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

here is another idea. use these bags and just birth them and make huge cakes. i am trying this tonight and will keep you posted!


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1312477 - 02/16/03 07:24 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

What the hell :smile:
I think I might try that too, that'd be sorta nuts... and lazy :smile:


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: bjkroll]
    #1314892 - 02/17/03 06:18 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

the flatcakes that a foaf made out of these bags colonized in 2 days. that is the fastest they have colonized ever!!!!!!! wonder if it is the birdseed causing this or the high moisture content that all the cakes produce once the colonization in these bags are complete?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1316800 - 02/18/03 01:47 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

^^^
birdseed? how did u use that in there..
how did u make flat cakes put pf the stuff from the bag?


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    #1316815 - 02/18/03 01:54 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Look at his quote.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1317307 - 02/18/03 05:16 PM (18 years, 19 days ago)

Personally, I'd reccommend everyone to use a bulk tek, such as straw or poo or combined.

You can use a 1:10 or even less spawn:substrate ratio. Straw is very convienient and readily availible. So is manure. You can have great results with one 1/2 pint PF cake.

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    #1322259 - 02/20/03 01:46 PM (18 years, 18 days ago)

A mycologist i know is in the process of performing this experiment to determine contamination rates compared to average jars.... 2 days and definitely some colonization...


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1325435 - 02/21/03 08:58 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

correct you are...
neways, the bags have been 1/2-3/5's colonized... DEFINITELY not 3 days like the tek says, more like 5-6 days (projected).


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: daba]
    #1325551 - 02/21/03 10:39 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

ya this tek was for the lazy mofo who is using pf jars


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Joker902]
    #1325588 - 02/21/03 11:21 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)


is it me or does this sound like casing ?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Joker902]
    #1332702 - 02/24/03 09:11 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

well, if it hasn't colonized in 5 days then you did something wrong bc unfortunately for you it only took a foaf 3-5 days to colonize 5 jars worth of substrate. maybe my foaf is just lucky. here are some pictures of the bags in effect!



Daba, em is right. if you read above this tek is for people who havn't tried poo or have trouble with it. believe me i like poo,straw but this is much easier!!!!!

21p, you will be amazed in 2 weeks when you have like 20 bags of colonized mycelia from 1 pf jar. you won't even know what to do with so much. hehe. Also, I had 3 bags contam from 50. This is because the jars i used were from a batch that 50% of the jars wiped out anyway. otherwise if you have clean habbits this is definitely the way to go. I have some pics of flatcakes fruiting from these bags coming soon.....

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1333843 - 02/25/03 09:30 AM (18 years, 13 days ago)

One of the bags had a sour smell, but no visible contamination growth. He took some of the stinky chunks out and recrumbled the good ones. How long till recuperation, and is it even possible?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: 21p]
    #1334459 - 02/25/03 12:36 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

sour smell is bad, throw it out. did you poke needle size holes in the bag. and did you clean the area well. check out this post at www.nansnook.com. there are some positive results posted. a few of them say colonization in 3 days!


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1335462 - 02/25/03 05:25 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

DUDE!!!! looking great!!!! i'm goint to try this ASAP. you said 3 bags contamed out of 50? so you have 47 left? how many jars used? and be sure to post your total yield. also i was thinking instead of mixing 1 colonized jar to 3 sterile uncolonized jars, could'nt you just sterilize and innoculate all your jars and then sterilze large amounts of BRF or bird seed via some mugeyvering a vegie steamer just before you want to mix in the bag. i'm striving for least amount of work and most yield here so i might be cutting corners, but is it possible to sterilize large amouts of BRF in a veggie steamer or even in a large metal pot with water and large container full-o-the stuff. ifso you could use all your jars to spawn the stuff and not have to sterilize every jar that your going to mix together any ways. just a thought,


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: iconoclast]
    #1339326 - 02/27/03 05:12 AM (18 years, 11 days ago)

you could but this is not advisible if something contams. a foaf woulndt steam birdseed unless you pre steep it in a pot. otherwise you are begging for contams.  just follow the tek!  bigger isn't always better!just use 4 uncolonized per 1 and it should take around 3-5 days to colonize!








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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1340381 - 02/27/03 12:07 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

So the guys lazy bags are as follows: 6 days... 1 fully colonized, 2 partially with some sour rot on top. Can he throw away the rot and fruit the cakes? He's had some success with this method, and the cakes are already 75% colonized. A few separated  chunks smell like rotten alligator turds :tongue:  What are your friends yields on those bad boys? Does the ratio total out to 4 jars in a bag or 5? Your tek really rocks man! It seems you've come up with a new way to extend substrate production via a mini-spawn technique. In that guys case, he's had problems with the the air exchange method. The plastic bags could probably stand a little tightening on sterility (from my friends experiences so far). However, It is surely stokeworthy....  great job..   


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1340461 - 02/27/03 12:29 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

You get five shrooms for this ^_^

anyway, my question is, can you take a little bit out of the bag, right before fruiting, recrumble it, and put it in another bag of verm/brf and have that one grow?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Sombie]
    #1340469 - 02/27/03 12:32 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

yes, and 21p throw it out!!!!!!!!


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1342223 - 02/28/03 07:53 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

Hahaha.....1 bag has been dunked. 1 ziploc with small and separated chunks of sour rot had a few pieces removed. He spawned them to another zip (against apparent orders) with hopes of seeing growth. He predicts rhizos in the new bag and death for the rotten chunks 'o verm in #2. Results will be posted...


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: 21p]
    #1342666 - 02/28/03 11:45 AM (18 years, 10 days ago)

21p i don't know what you or your friend is doing but it sounds scary, i would throw out any sour smelling anything. here are the results of this tek and i have tested them myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1364391 - 03/11/03 01:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"all words were forwarded by my neighbors manager @ kfc"
where would be a good place to store those bags? my closet isnt really the most sterile place & im not sure where i could keep the bag after ive transfered in the substrate & fully colonized cake...


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Joker902]
    #1367608 - 03/12/03 02:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Bump fer jokers question??


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1368216 - 03/12/03 07:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Would a spawn bag with a built-in filter patch work instead of a ziploc with holes?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Tonearm]
    #1369528 - 03/12/03 03:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've read this whole thread from start to finish and I must say it is intriguing. My friend's chinchilla had some difficulty with casing rye, the most significant being cobweb mold on the top casing layer. The chinchilla was wondering, could he use this tek with rye? If so, he has two more questions: 1) What is the best way to sterilize the ziploc bags? and 2) What is the method for "birthing" the bags?

IMO, this really should be added as an official tek, maybe after some "pros" try it out.

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: robinhood2]
    #1369546 - 03/12/03 03:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: exile]
    #1369573 - 03/12/03 03:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

pfffffff.....I wouldn't trust something coming out of the Ziploc (Dupont?) bag factory to arrive "sterile" after being processed, packed, shipped, and on the shelf at the store for however long. C'mon we need to be more meticulous than that!


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: robinhood2]
    #1369685 - 03/12/03 04:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i dont think they come officialy sterile. like when you buy rubber gloves, theier are sterile, and non-sterile. One has just been made sure that it is sterile. With the High temperature process that is required to produce these bag's, thier would be nothing surviving. And once in the box, they are sealed, and have no nutrtional value. They would not attract any growth. The only growth would be on the box, which would be rare, since the cardboard is most likely kept dry.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Phychotron]
    #1370029 - 03/12/03 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, i'll let u know how mine went.. I couldnt find any large ziploack bags so i used an old one i found.. it had somephotos in it, i just rinsed it out, it *looked* clean enough :smile:

Oh yeah, i only did this becauase I had assumed i still had clean, unused gallon ziplock left.. i had already reached the point on no return when i realized the box was emnpty, so thats why i used the bag with the photos in it. I hope it works :confused:


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: GWAR]
    #1370863 - 03/12/03 09:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hey what about the second question? The main point of my question was to inquire about the birthing method, but I feel we got side-tracked on the bag thing.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: robinhood2]
    #1370956 - 03/12/03 10:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

check his flat cake tek its in his signature


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Joker902]
    #1372615 - 03/13/03 12:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

update on my bag--

It's doing great!!! I think i'm gonna do some poo with it :smile:

so yeah, out of the factory ziplocks are fine, no need to sterilize.. mine was a used baggie and it worked!!

but then again.. it is not yet fully colonized, it's been 4 days, but it doesnt smel sour so...
my grow area is a little colder than it should be... i've noticed it always takes a little longer for my jars than most ppls.. i can't really help that at the moment, it's still winter here (we got like a foot of snow lastnight!!!) and i'm not going to go out and buy any kind of heate at this point.. i can have a little patience


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: GWAR]
    #1372829 - 03/13/03 01:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

could u grow shrooms without taking the BRF out of the bag?? like mycobags... if so, what would you do????


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: GWAR]
    #1373233 - 03/13/03 04:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

gwar u took the words out of my mouth...could somone plz answe that???


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: chrizon420]
    #1373547 - 03/13/03 06:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

gwar where did you keep your bags?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Joker902]
    #1373607 - 03/13/03 07:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

on a chair.. by a heater, i mean the heater i use to heat the whole place... i put a blanket over the chair so itd be a little warmer.
it's the best setup i could manage.. ill go back up there tomorrow to check on them.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: GWAR]
    #1373617 - 03/13/03 07:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"all words were forwarded by my neighbors manager @ kfc"
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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: GWAR]
    #1373630 - 03/13/03 07:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Less than $5 Incubator

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Hook the night light into the extension cord and lower it into the styrofoam cooler.That's it,should keep it around 80-84 depending on the cooler. If you have something like an empty oatmeal box or some other wide opaque container you can put it in there to block out some light.Oatmeal boxes work best though. I've seen jars incubate in full light with no problems though and not even a single pin.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: robinhood2]
    #1444530 - 04/09/03 10:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

robinhood.
1)the bags come sterile. my foaf hasn't had any problems!
2) they can be made into flatcakes or birthed straight from the bags like fatbags.


and it has been tested out by pros meau being one of them. and some other foaf's. i would consider a pro to be someone who can cultivate more advanced mushies than cubies including use of bulk substrates, agar work, and others. many people are having luck with this tek.


2 downfalls why people fail!

1. they do not follow the exact directions and put their own 2 cents in.
2. they do not use sterile technique and the moisture content of their jars is all fucked up!

for moisture content information and recipes and pictures check this link.
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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: mike]
    #1777017 - 08/04/03 12:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

this is a good tek but could u use homney or sumthin instead of brownrice and stuff just eaiser and to pcin jus steam the thing for halfhour then throw sum in a bag and use the honey tek and suck up sum livin fuzz and juss put a few drops in while ur mixing all the jarsd into the bag then jus poke 3-4 holes in the top of the bag then jus tape some filter over the hole would this work?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1777021 - 08/04/03 12:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

1 more Q can u jus go ahead and let them fruit in the bags?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: gator00]
    #1782061 - 08/05/03 04:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Just to add my discovery, you can do this tek with jars that arent even fully colonized. This is great for me cuz i commonly encounter jars which rapidly colonize about 75% of the jar, and then slow down. Try it out!


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    #1782871 - 08/05/03 08:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

very interesting questions, gator.
of course, no one has yet attempted to use our canned hominy tek
{ The Hominy Project }
with eatyu's bag method.
but i see no reason it could not work.
you would still want to add some verm [ i'd use quite a bit more to be sure as ziplocks trap water ] to help soak up excess moisture,
and you would get better/faster results using live mycellia [honey/karo tek, etc.]
i'd make several holes w/filters,
as air exchange will be crucial for success.

as for fruiting in the bags,
it possible but not recommended by any means.
we recently ran some tests on myco-bags fruited 'as is'
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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Hippie3]
    #1785026 - 08/06/03 02:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

how many holes to poke and how close to the top of the bag? i about to try this very soon and just had that question.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1785142 - 08/06/03 03:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ok enough talk about sterilized ziplock bags and people trying to mess with the TEK....just try it as is like eatyualive says, he obviously got it to work quite well

now for fruiting the colonized hunk of loving, just put in a pan and cover with straight verm, 50/50+, or whatever variation on casing there is....correct?

eatyualive i love you! fuck 10 PF jars that take too long to colonize and prob will give shitty yields anyway


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: rohitabong]
    #1785236 - 08/06/03 03:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

anyone...bump?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: rohitabong]
    #1785240 - 08/06/03 04:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Fcuerkt]
    #1785249 - 08/06/03 04:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

best way to fruit the bag! hit me with the answer


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: rohitabong]
    #1785594 - 08/06/03 05:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

from what it looked like, just cut open the bag and lay down the giganto substrate like a "flat bag" , dunk, and roll in dry verm. that's what i gatherd from reading the whole thread.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1812396 - 08/14/03 05:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I cant believe anyone grows cakes. Crumble it up, sandwich it between to layers of NORMAL UNTREATED POTTING SOIL, let sit, and voila, mushrooms. People who grow cakes must hate themselves.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Joker902]
    #1813936 - 08/14/03 04:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

aight this is probably answered already, but once i get the whole bag (with holes in it) turned into mycelium.. what can i do with it.. like. what would u guys suggest

and btw, this is a great f***ing post man.. good looks


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: eatyualive]
    #1814003 - 08/14/03 04:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

eatyualive, did you dunk those at all? i see you threw on some dry verm. but , yeah, did/can you dunk those? if so, how long and how in general?


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1814812 - 08/14/03 08:44 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Lo all, I'm wondering the samething as t3knology asked? I looked over the whole thread and seen one say it wasn't casing, So do you put the flat cake once it's birthed into a terrarium as you would a pf cake?


This tek sounds too cool, Thanks! Also if one has access to cow poo, what would be a semi simple tek for a semi newbie :smile:? I don't come up with a whole lot doing a seach.

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Freedom420]
    #1814844 - 08/14/03 08:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i guess responses are far and few in this thread.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1816310 - 08/15/03 09:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

so u have the colonized bag....then what, still no response to our questions


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: rohitabong]
    #1823372 - 08/17/03 06:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Lo again, After reading ton's of stuff, I think the best thing to do with the bags, would be combind them with Roadkill's horse poo tek, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...true#Post723303

What do you guy's think?

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Freedom420]
    #1823666 - 08/17/03 07:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well, yesturday i just cut my bag open, microwaved some verm for 10 min, let cool, and plopped a bunch of verm on the "super cake", then put it into my poor mans pod right on the geolite and sprayed it down with wayer/h2o2 10:1 solution to moisten the verm. i didn't dunk at all. i'l let you guys know how it comes along.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1823703 - 08/17/03 08:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Right on BatFly! I totally look fwd to seeing more posts from you...Any chance of some pics to go with it?

Good luck, My fingers are crossed for you and your future flushes :smile:

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Freedom420]
    #1823720 - 08/17/03 08:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

as soon as it pins, who knows when that'll be... i'll put some pics up. i'm excited cause this is my second attempt ever at growing and it's the first time for covering with verm. the thing sure smelled good too.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1828202 - 08/19/03 12:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Right on! I can't wait to see the pics, i know a guy ;-) that is trying this bag tek, i hope he has good luck. I'll try to see if he  can get some pics together as well, I think everyone can benfit from this thread!

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Freedom420]
    #1829111 - 08/19/03 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

batfly, tell me everything about your journey, my AFOAF will be trying that shit next time for his second grow attempt


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: rohitabong]
    #1830314 - 08/19/03 05:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well, i basically did everything the tek says. the lil extra stuff would be that for each jar of substrate i put in the bag, i only open it as much as was needed to place the mouth of the jar in. then i dumped the substrate in, and close the bag right as i pulled each jar out. did that four times. the i scraped off the verm layer of my 100% fully colonized jar with a fork i flamed and wiped with alcohol (wipe till you can feel THROUGH A PAPER TOWEL that the fork is cooled, you don't want to touch the fork end as it defeats the purpose of sterilizing it). and i dumped that jar into it same as the others. then i closed the bag and crumbled (don't be afraid to get rough with it) into about pea sized pieces. mixed it all up real good trying to make sure the myc. was spread relatively evenly. then i flamed and wiped a needle the same as a fork and pricked (i had to use that word, it's so funny, PRICK hehe) about 10 or so holes in the top of the bag. waited about 7 days, cut the bag open (wareing big bags on my hands causei had no glove) and sprinkled verm microwaved for ten minutes liberally all over it. then i placecd it on the geolite in my PMP and sprayed with water/h2o2. and that where i am now.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1831493 - 08/19/03 11:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

A buddy of mind is doing the samething batfly has done except he taped a coffee filter over the holes, it's been like 2 days and is looking good :smile: This tek seems to be very cool!

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Freedom420]
    #1831502 - 08/19/03 11:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

duh, it just occured to me that if you put the whole ziplock after you poke holes into it in a tyvek envelope then the contam risk should be greatly reduced. even though i've had NO problem with contams, it wouldn't hurt.

just an idea.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: The FUnGal FiEnD]
    #1831691 - 08/20/03 12:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: Asmbandits]
    #1885955 - 09/05/03 06:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ok, well, my second bag got the green real BAD!!!! WHICH SUCKS!!! but the first one is doing strangely great. stange in the fact that there are only 2 pins on it total. but their huge!

check it out...



that sucker is 3 inches long and about a half in wide! and the lil guy next to him aint to small either. the lil guy is only 2 days old! i think there's no other pins due to the fact that this is b+ and i didn't dunk it before the birthing (DOH!).

also though, the big guy's cap is starting to look funny from the back, at least to me. keeping in mind it's my first time i got a shroom to get to this point, lemme know what you think. does it look normal to anyone else....



i'll update more later, and hopefully they'll grow to monsters! woooooooo

a viable sporeprint would be nice from that guy too!


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1885970 - 09/05/03 06:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

B+ are known to concentrate on just a few fruits sometimes. That one looks a little weird, nothing to worry about though. Just let them grow.


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: shakta]
    #1885994 - 09/05/03 06:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah  that's what i've heard.  i'm just amazed at thier size!  compared to my first attempt which eneded up in a horribly contaminated cake (i touched it , NOT GOOD! i had to learn the hard way).

amyway, here's what i mean, first attempt....



they we're so small and aborted after that state.

but now i wake up and this guy is an inch longer or more every day!  so exstatic!  and it LOVES the geolite!!!!  it's worth the money to spend on that stuff!

ok, i'll shut up now.  :nut: :grin: :tongue: :crazy2: :tongue: :grin: :nut:


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: BatFly]
    #1886001 - 09/05/03 06:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, the PiMP is the shit. :smile:


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Re: Eatyualives Lazy Mofo Bag Tek [Re: shakta]
    #1898313 - 09/09/03 03:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

UPDATE




the twins fused. on has gills but no spores visable. and one is a giant mutant cloud lookin myc beast.


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