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Where am i going wrong
    #12991024 - 08/02/10 02:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I filled 4 half pint jars with approx. 50/50 verm and horse poo. Hydrated them slightly (possibly too much?). I then put it in my crock pot (preheated first) that gets up to 180 F for 3 hours. After, i let cool, and knocked with straight spores (mistake?).


The poo i got was out in a field, probably been there for the better part of last year, it had been rained on and dried out dozens of times i imagine. So i didn't feel the need to leech.

I've done this several times, and a couple of times with a liquid culture instead of straight spores. I wait a week, and naughta. Every time, no mold smell, no white myc, nothing.


I'm pretty much ready to scrap my current setup.

Could you guys maybe point me in the right direction with this.  I want to grow using hpoo, i don't have a heating element (good thing it's summer), i have spores, verm, and some questionable dried compost. What should i do?

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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: saxx]
    #12991097 - 08/02/10 02:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Did you let the jars cool overnight?  They may have still had a hot center, which killed the spore/lc


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: saxx]
    #12991143 - 08/02/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I filled 4 half pint jars with approx. 50/50 verm and horse poo. Hydrated them slightly (possibly too much?). I then put it in my crock pot (preheated first) that gets up to 180 F for 3 hours. After, i let cool, and knocked with straight spores (mistake?)




Yes you need some spawn in order to colonize horse manure. Prepare your grains jars, inoculate with spores, lc, agar wedge, then spawn to horse manure.


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: idunno]
    #12991145 - 08/02/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, i thought of that after my first failed grow.  I let them cool by a powerfull fan all night this time around.


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: saxx]
    #12991163 - 08/02/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Spores -> poo?


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: Doc_T]
    #12991193 - 08/02/10 02:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

how bout 2 parts verm 1 part rice flour and 1 part water?

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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: bait_]
    #12991745 - 08/02/10 04:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If i mix Hpoo/corn meal/verm/ and a little coffee grounds, then put an LC in with that in a bag. Will it spawn?


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: saxx]
    #12991853 - 08/02/10 05:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Grains.


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: saxx]
    #12991896 - 08/02/10 05:09 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Considering you asked where you were going wrong after trying to directly inocculate hpoo, and you have under 50 posts and are not long a member of this community, I can only assume this is your first attempt at cultivation. So... scrap the hpoo idea and go for brf cakes. Shea has a nice tek. Have a look at the shotgun terrarium. All these things can be found in this site. And as far as "straight" spores go, read up on liquid cultures, it'll make your supplies go much further. Happy trippin. Hope you get some results.


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: bait_]
    #12992113 - 08/02/10 05:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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how bout 2 parts verm 1 part rice flour and 1 part water?



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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: saxx]
    #12992142 - 08/02/10 05:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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If i mix Hpoo/corn meal/verm/ and a little coffee grounds, then put an LC in with that in a bag. Will it spawn?



If what your asking is that will that mix colonize successfully, the answer is no. Coffee and hpoo aren't used for anything but bulk substrates. You can use popcorn for grain spawn, or popcorn flour for pf-tek. Neither will yield great results since corn isn't very nutritious.
Don't go and make your own recipes your first time around. You will fail. Just follow a tek, or buy pre-made jars.

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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: smoke dank]
    #12993004 - 08/02/10 08:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Buy:
12 half pint jars
1bag brown rice
vermiculite
masking tape

6 cups verm,
Then add 3 cups water
Now add 3cups Brown Rice Flour
use a nail, make 4 holes in lid in a diaomond or square
load jars 3/4 full
top with 1/4" verm
put lids on upsidedown
put tape over holes, on outside
sterilize

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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: saxx]
    #12993025 - 08/02/10 08:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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saxx said:
I filled 4 half pint jars with approx. 50/50 verm and horse poo. Hydrated them slightly (possibly too much?). I then put it in my crock pot (preheated first) that gets up to 180 F for 3 hours. After, i let cool, and knocked with straight spores (mistake?).


The poo i got was out in a field, probably been there for the better part of last year, it had been rained on and dried out dozens of times i imagine. So i didn't feel the need to leech.

I've done this several times, and a couple of times with a liquid culture instead of straight spores. I wait a week, and naughta. Every time, no mold smell, no white myc, nothing.


I'm pretty much ready to scrap my current setup.

Could you guys maybe point me in the right direction with this.  I want to grow using hpoo, i don't have a heating element (good thing it's summer), i have spores, verm, and some questionable dried compost. What should i do?

Thanks




The only hopeful note that I can add was that your cakes
may have been too moist from what you wrote.

This really slows down colonization. 

Give them another week before you draw conclusions.

...but yes, the BRF+verm tek works, and for newbies like me.


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: Javadog]
    #12993135 - 08/02/10 09:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Go to the local brewing supply company. Get light malt and dextrose. Go to wallmart. GET A PRESSURE COOKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mix 1tbs. malt & 1tbs. dextrose w/ 500 ml H2o.Run through coffee maker 2x. PC for 15min. remove from PC. Run trough coffee maker 1 more time. PC 15 more min. Letsolution cool overnight. Knock solution up w/ spores.

let LC grow  ---->

Then knock up the verm/Poo mix.......

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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #12993351 - 08/02/10 10:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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let LC grow  ---->

Then knock up the verm/Poo mix.......




LC to bulk substrate has a very low rate of success.  People shouldn't skip the grains or brf stage.  They provide the nutrient mass for the mycelium to jump-off into the bulk substrate from, which isn't provided with liquid culture.
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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13003410 - 08/04/10 07:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Agreed RR. I actually only use lc clones w/ rye.... Used to use millet because of the price difference in the area.... But rye speaks for itself so lately I just spend the extra cash for a quality end product.

And I have had severe failure when attempting to spawn 120cc lc-> to poo....

def. much better off sticking w/ grains.

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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13003870 - 08/04/10 08:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

To the OP...

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

http://www.shroomery.org/10254/PF-TEK-Update-The-Shotgun-Terrarium


Save the horse poo for when you move on to grains and are ready to spawn to bulk substrates.


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Re: Where am i going wrong [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #13032654 - 08/10/10 04:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you, you guys helped me find out where i was going wrong.


"too much too fast". I should know this about myself by now.

Once again thanks, i'll report back if i ever do any successful grows.


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