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OfflineBiffzilla
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root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone?
    #12985188 - 08/01/10 01:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

root hormone is also ironically an indole, 4 - idol-3-yl-butyric acid, 3gm/ kg, for semi hardwood I have,  Seradix B no. 2
would it be any good for mushroom mycelium. is it autoclaveable.
what kind of benefit would it promote.

wait I'll look it up and give a post from wiki (edit this)

.brb WIKIPEDIA on roothormone

"Indole-3-butyric acid (1H-Indole-3-butanoic acid, IBA) is a white to light-yellow crystalline solid, with the molecular formula C12H13NO2. It melts at 125 °C in atmospheric pressure and decomposes before boiling.
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Plant hormone

IBA is a plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products.

For use as such, it should be dissolved in about 75% (or purer) alcohol (as IBA does not dissolve in water), until a concentration from between 10,000 ppm to 50,000 ppm is achieved - this solution should then be diluted to the required concentration using distilled water. IBA is also available as a salt, which is soluble in water. The solution should be kept in a cool, dark place for best results.

This compound had been thought to be strictly synthetic; however, it was reported that the compound was isolated from leaves and seeds of maize and other species.[1]
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^ William. G.Hopkins(1999). Introduction to Plant Physiology. John Wiley and Sons. ISBN 0-471-19281-3"

-from wikipedia.org

MAYBE I'll mmm. add it to a casing layer.. eh hehehe. foolish, perhaps, who knows, but a small bit along with calcium carbonate in one part of casing. I'll c.
will make foto experiments of crazy ideas.
just thought someone maybe gave it a good attempt (root hormone in mush cult)


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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: Biffzilla]
    #12985234 - 08/01/10 01:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

By the sounds of it there is no doubt this will harm and not help mushroom mycelium. Plants any mycelium are completely different.
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For use as such, it should be dissolved in about 75% (or purer) alcohol (as IBA does not dissolve in water), until a concentration from between 10,000 ppm to 50,000 ppm is achieved - this solution should then be diluted to the required concentration using distilled water. IBA is also available as a salt, which is soluble in water. The solution should be kept in a cool, dark place for best results.


Correct me if I am wrong but
A. alcohol will kill mycelium.
B. If it is not water soluble how do you plane to incorporate it into the casing?
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IBA is also available as a salt, which is soluble in water



Again salt based compounds will kill the mycelium.

I am not trying bash your theory but I think this will defiantly do more harm then good.

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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: Out Grow]
    #12985247 - 08/01/10 01:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

no good..


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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: orison]
    #13026557 - 08/09/10 01:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

lol well i didnt read that part. I'm not ito LC anymore.
Only grain lc (search for agar on that one).


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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: Biffzilla]
    #13026594 - 08/09/10 01:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

PLANT root hormone.

Fungi do not have "roots" as judged by the definition of a "plant root". I don't know what it will do, but i see no potential advantage coming from this.

Fungi do not have the same hormonal response system as plants (without a doubt, some might, but they still don't grow woody roots), therefore, i don't think you will see the desired results.


However, in the name of science shall you perform a controlled experiment, one tub with hormone, one without, otherwise same conditions. Let us know about what happens. Godspeed to you and your trials!


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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: rave420]
    #13026611 - 08/09/10 01:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Are you saying it may help growth? Or may help potency?


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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13027363 - 08/09/10 03:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i am saying i don't have a clue what it does (neither do i know what it does, neither do i know what it DOESN'T do), and he should go and find out.

That way, we could get a bit closer to making a reasonably safe assumption.


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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: rave420]
    #13028902 - 08/09/10 08:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Fungi are not Plants.

I bet you a Brazilian print that this is not going to improve anything.

I think you're destined for the :failboat:

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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: Base Icks]
    #13029441 - 08/09/10 10:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'd do several side-by-side tests, some with and some without.  Plants and fungi are very different, but may share some hormones as yet unknown.

As an example of experimenting, I started using rice bran supplement for horses pictured below.  It's fortified with vitamins and minerals in addition to the bran.  Performance of my shiitake is unreal when I use it rather than wheat or oat bran, or rice bran without the vitamins and minerals.  I'm not sure what's in it that gives the boost, but something sure as hell does.  Try your 'plant' hormones and let us know how it goes.
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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13035061 - 08/11/10 02:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

there are no 'desired' results. I was / am just curious what it will show and was wondering if anyone just tried to and recorded the experimental data, is all.


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Re: root hormone and LC and grainsoak with roothormone? [Re: Biffzilla]
    #13035063 - 08/11/10 02:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

RR, did you sterilize your satin finish, at what temps, and what vitamins do they contain?

Base lck's I'll let you know when the results come in. Keep that brazilian print in a safe place, mkay? ty =] who knows what will happen.
I might as well try, I almost forgot to.
Sadly I have to use a microwave. I've donated my PC to a friend, and now I deeply regret it.
I don't have a job, I live at my dad's house. I'm incredibly bored, so I just read stuff on the net the whole time... its amazing how much you can suddenly start learning once you get past certain misnomers.

milady, I want to experiment on agar substitutes with it. Agar I find a nuisance, I wouldn't mind being able to get gellan gum, which is double is good as agar in regards gelling property, and also, can withstand 120C temps, so will prolly survive PC's. Although I'm a use
mashed taters with blue food dye and some root hormone, for one recipe. I just ah. I dont know, I can't find agar, I live in South Africa. The laboratory supply factory that improts for the univerrsities are a rip off, I refuse to drive all the way there and pay ridiculous prices for tiny bags of powdered sea weed.

and look I know mycelium aren't roots. funnily though some bulbous plants do grows rhizomes. that's kind of curious. interestingly I think grass has rhizomes, and indeed contains brassinosterols which are great for cubes and oysters and stropharia ruggoso annulata, there are two very hard to find articles on the internet about that...


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