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help with black caps
    #12984712 - 08/01/10 10:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

my second flush is coming in but a lot of the little pins started getting black caps and stopped growing.

i thought it was air flow and humidity so i drilled a few more holes in my SG last night.

today i woke up with even more black caps, but theres still some good ones.

what do i do?

leave them? cut them off?

is my cake fucked?

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12984717 - 08/01/10 10:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The black caps are just aborts.

Cut them out and hope more good ones grow.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12984718 - 08/01/10 10:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Pull them off the cake, they aborted. More humidity + misting is needed. Only the pins that aborted are fucked. But you're going to need to mist it alot more or otherwise more of your pins are going to dry out and abort

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Re: help with black caps [Re: TheManWithTheHat]
    #12985075 - 08/01/10 12:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok im misting like crazy now. like twice an hour.

is humidity the only reason they would turn black like that?

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12985088 - 08/01/10 12:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What temps/humidity are you working with? Internal and external.


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Re: help with black caps [Re: cdawg3731]
    #12985101 - 08/01/10 01:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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What temps/humidity are you working with? Internal and external.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12977439

theres a link to pics of the FC

the temps are in the low 80's.

i dont have a hygrometer but i spray a hell of a lot. like at least every hour. maybe more.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12985116 - 08/01/10 01:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

1) I only spray mine a couple times per day. Maybe there's such a thing as misting too much? I don't know, but maybe. :undecided:

2) Maybe the picture is just deceiving but you should have a hole drilled every 2" of the FC and it looks like you have significant more space between your holes. Are there holes in the plastic on top? You need holes on all six sides of your FC.

3) It would definitely help if you knew the humidity of your FC, but I think maybe it could stand to have some more perlite in the bottom. Mine is about 1/3 filled with perlite and that keeps it just above 90% humidity.

Maybe a combination of these potential problems would help your abort problem. I'm not too experienced with trouble shooting though.


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Re: help with black caps [Re: cdawg3731]
    #12985127 - 08/01/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Your FC in that thread needs more holes. 2 1/2 inches apart. Did you dunk after your last flush?

Also, misting too much can cause aborts. Especially if theirs droplets on your pins after your mist. Fan after each time you mist, 5 times a day is often recommended as enough.


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Re: help with black caps [Re: kevincoughlin]
    #12985177 - 08/01/10 01:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Your FC in that thread needs more holes. 2 1/2 inches apart. Did you dunk after your last flush?

Also, misting too much can cause aborts. Especially if theirs droplets on your pins after your mist. Fan after each time you mist, 5 times a day is often recommended as enough.




yeah i drilled a lot more holes since that last pic. and theyre bigger holes too. i fan every time i mist.

ima get a thermometer right now and hopefully i can get a hygrometer today.

it seems like ive gone from not enough air and not enough mist, to not enough air and too much mist?

edit: and yes, i dunked after the last flush.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12985310 - 08/01/10 01:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

how long did you leave them before picking them?  I had more than a few dark caps stall for a day or two then grow full size.


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Re: help with black caps [Re: RODIpure]
    #12985553 - 08/01/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The holes shouldn't be bigger than RR instructs for the shotgun FC. Any bigger won't be beneficial all, only detrimental.

To much or too little of any of the required conditions can cause aborts. Following the teks exactly will leave you with great results. So a hygrometer will massively help with telling you whether your humidity is too high, or too low. And whether you have to much/little FAE causing a lowered humidity.


Mist and fan 3-5 times daily, and don't let water settle on any pins. A little puddle of water put into the curve on top of a cake can help hydrate the cake also and dry cakes seem to be a common cause of most beginners aborts.

Cakes also can make it to 3 flushes fine most of the time. As alwasy though that depends on your conditions e.g. how much the cake produced last flush.


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Re: help with black caps [Re: kevincoughlin]
    #12985643 - 08/01/10 03:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If you mist during pinning it will promote aborts.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Out Grow]
    #12985648 - 08/01/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

just aborts man, cut em.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: kevincoughlin]
    #12985651 - 08/01/10 03:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well after listening to everyones comments...

i have a whole bunch of new, awesome looking pins! i guess it was lack of fresh air.

im working on getting a hygrometer.

ill probably build a new terrarium after this flush. hopefully i can take prints too.

and i dont know if i mentioned before, but my neighbor ordered the same kit as I but he left his in the bag it came with and followed those instructions. Hes on his 6th flush right now. theyre getting obviously smaller, but he still got like 14 g's off the 5th flush.

im really not too concerned about that though. My main goal is to take prints and then start up some jars cuz im not really digging these kits.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Out Grow]
    #12985658 - 08/01/10 03:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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If you mist during pinning it will promote aborts.




well i just got a whole new pinset.

how long should i wait til i start misting again?

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12985985 - 08/01/10 04:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Geez its like the blind leading the blind in here.:facepalm3:

If you mist to much or leave water on your caps for too long they will turn black and abort.

Mist 2-4 times a day. Fan like a mofo after each mist, ie : haaard for 60-120 seconds. Fan 4-6 times total each day during pinning.

Also, dont spray. you want a fine mist. If your spray bottle doesnt have a FIIIINE mist, get one that does.

I learned all that the hard way :super:

Hope that helps.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Base Icks]
    #12986123 - 08/01/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Geez its like the blind leading the blind in here.:facepalm3:

If you mist to much or leave water on your caps for too long they will turn black and abort.

Mist 2-4 times a day. Fan like a mofo after each mist, ie : haaard for 60-120 seconds. Fan 4-6 times total each day during pinning.

Also, dont spray. you want a fine mist. If your spray bottle doesnt have a FIIIINE mist, get one that does.

I learned all that the hard way :super:

Hope that helps.




yeah thanks.

thats a lot better explanation than ive been getting.

Edited by SmokeSomeHash (08/01/10 05:18 PM)

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12986148 - 08/01/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry it took me so long. I been a bit greedy with the thread  I read lately. I've only been reading threads that are on something that I'm learning or am interested in. I remembered that I started somewhere too, and should give back to the beginners.

Fuck for all I know you might be the next RR in 30 years :shrug:

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Base Icks]
    #12987097 - 08/01/10 08:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

lol fuck you we were just tryin to help you


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Re: help with black caps [Re: kevincoughlin]
    #12987137 - 08/01/10 08:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Your FC in that thread needs more holes. 2 1/2 inches apart. Did you dunk after your last flush?

Also, misting too much can cause aborts. Especially if theirs droplets on your pins after your mist. Fan after each time you mist, 5 times a day is often recommended as enough.





I thought  i read that they use to think misting to much caused aborts, but that was before they realized that FAE was needed and that is why they were aborting, not because of the misting.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12987169 - 08/01/10 08:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I was making the same mistake.  Now I only spray the walls of the chamber and a fine mist above the fruits and it seems to be helping.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: pipe dope]
    #12987503 - 08/01/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I know you guys were doing your best, thats all you can really ask for.

I'm suprized that no one else jumped in on this one. Kinda fell through the cracks a bit.

Its all good now though.

But as for you all you guys, your homework for tonight is MOAR READING

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I was making the same mistake.  Now I only spray the walls of the chamber and a fine mist above the fruits and it seems to be helping.




Most people will say that you dont want to spray the sides of the fc. They say the reason for this is because the water kind of acts like a magnet(condensation) for other water and actually reduces the humidity in the FC.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Base Icks]
    #12988003 - 08/01/10 10:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Can't argue with more reading:thumbup:


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Re: help with black caps [Re: kevincoughlin]
    #12988039 - 08/01/10 10:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I try to find a really interesting thread and read it as I fall asleep, makes it stick in my head more.

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Base Icks]
    #12989284 - 08/02/10 05:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Percentages for a mix? and spawn ratio?

And here do I get urea? doesnt fresh horse manure have urea(urine) in it?

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Base Icks]
    #12989774 - 08/02/10 09:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

seems like a few shrooms were still turning black this morning so i just built a whole new terrarium.

the previous one I had in the pics had almost 1/2 inch holes in it, and no holes on the bottom.

the new terrarium is the same one but I followed RR's tek to the T.

Now it's got 1/4 inch holes on all sides and the bottom too. I am using the same lid from the pics I posted earlier. The lid with the seran wrap over the cut out. I have it vented on all four corners.

After closer inspection it seems like a few of the new pins have mycellium growing on them? like ALL over them. theyre straight up fuzzy.

hopefully this new terrarium works. ill put pics up later

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Re: help with black caps [Re: Base Icks]
    #12989874 - 08/02/10 10:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Most people will say that you dont want to spray the sides of the fc. They say the reason for this is because the water kind of acts like a magnet(condensation) for other water and actually reduces the humidity in the FC.





You want to spray the whole area, misting the substrate, fruits, and walls.  This replaces the moisture lost to evaporation and transpiration.  Spraying the sides won't lower humidity.  However, the old advice to spray 'only' the sides is wrong.  Mist it all.
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Re: help with black caps [Re: SmokeSomeHash]
    #12989884 - 08/02/10 10:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Try increasing free air exchange. I cut down on the number of aborts last grow by increasing fae. Also I was told that mushrooms can abort because they run out of water. After my last dunk, some of the aborts grew a few inches -- although they stayed aborts, black caps and everything.

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