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psychedellious
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Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher
#12984546 - 08/01/10 09:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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First off let me take a second to honor the life of Jerry Garcia, and say happy birthday to him. Hello everyone, I have a lot of PF jars going right now, most recent innoc was this morning, I have PF Red Spores, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy Hybrid, and Golden Teacher mushrooms colonizing right now. This is my plan of action: Fully colonize jars, w/o letting them consolidate their hold(to use as spawn) Spawn to bulk sub(coir/peat moss with pickling lime and hermit crab sand) proceed to fruiting in a large rubbermaid container, approx 18x24. Does anyone see a problem in proceeding in this manor? Any help/advice is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12984553 - 08/01/10 09:37 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fruit cakes as cakes, don't spawn them. And pe hates cakes, don't know why.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Doc_T]
#12984558 - 08/01/10 09:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really? My PE's are doing the best outta anything as far as cakes go. Why not use cakes as spawn? Seems like in theory it would work just as good as casing spawn.
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12984612 - 08/01/10 10:08 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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well you said your not going to let them "consolidate their hold" but how do you plan on doing that? You cant shake pf jars, you don't want to disturb the dry verm layer. And when PF cakes finish colonizing they are very solid. If you REALLy want to use PF cakes as spawn you could use a cheese grater to shred them, but if you wanted to make spawn it would have been better to use something other than PF cakes since they take a bit longer to fully colonize.
and what Doc probably means about PE not liking cakes is probably that it doesn't probalby fruit well as a cake (though i can't back that up since i've never grown PE).
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: phaseflux]
#12984632 - 08/01/10 10:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not planning on letting them sit the extra weak. Grate them up, during that time and spawn to bulk.
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12984666 - 08/01/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: I'm not planning on letting them sit the extra weak. Grate them up, during that time and spawn to bulk.
if you don't let them sit for the extra week the inside might not be fully colonized
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12984672 - 08/01/10 10:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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ittl work just use a 3 to 1 ratio
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12984691 - 08/01/10 10:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: Why not use cakes as spawn? Seems like in theory it would work just as good as casing spawn.
Cakes are super-powerful, spawning just waters that down.
Seems weird, I know. Do the math on some of these grows, you'll see what I mean.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Doc_T]
#12984825 - 08/01/10 11:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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If its fully colonized, on the out there is no reason the inside shouldn't be. There is a much larger surface area on the outside.
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12984903 - 08/01/10 11:55 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: If its fully colonized, on the out there is no reason the inside shouldn't be. There is a much larger surface area on the outside.
Ok i don't know anything at all. do you what you want.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: phaseflux]
#12984916 - 08/01/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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No need to get offended. I'm just saying, from a logical standpoint.
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12984925 - 08/01/10 12:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: No need to get offended. I'm just saying, from a logical standpoint.
well ok, from a logical stand point i would say yes the outside of it does have a larger surface area, but we inoculate against the glass, and so thats where the mycelium starts from. works from the outside and spreads along the glass as well as towards the center. Even tho the outside looks colonized doesn't mean the inside is. I've broken what appeared to be a fully colonized cake before (accidently while birthing it) and the center wasn't entirely colonized.
but yeah maybe it doesn't matter. give it a try. I don't think that not waiting for the consolidation period will make it easier to grate tho, so might as well make sure everything is fully colonized since your gonna grate them anyways.
Edited by phaseflux (08/01/10 12:10 PM)
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: phaseflux]
#12985720 - 08/01/10 03:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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3:1 being spawn to sub?
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12986082 - 08/01/10 05:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: If its fully colonized, on the out there is no reason the inside shouldn't be. There is a much larger surface area on the outside.
Its not a matter of surface area(2D) Its a matter of volume (3D) Its easier to colonise the glass.
Also the denser the nutrition is(cakes are very nutritious) the longer the mycelium takes to colonise. It colonises looking for food. If it has loads then it doesn't look for more quite so fast.
There are a lot of reason thats that the center wont be colonised when the visible, outer perimeter is colonised.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Base Icks]
#12987618 - 08/01/10 09:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see, so I wait the extra week before grating? For the record the albino pe's are doing the best on the cakes as of right now.
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12987765 - 08/01/10 10:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, once they look 100% done, wait a week.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Base Icks]
#12989422 - 08/02/10 07:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you think that my bulk sub will be okay? Or is there a better method?
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12989673 - 08/02/10 08:51 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you really won't increase you're size/yield by spawning your cakes.
cakes in the right conditions will outperform most substrates. (weight being the same of course)
especially because its hard to not consolidate cakes. and you really should consolidate them
and once you consolidate them you shouldn't break them up into another substrate. you are confusing you're mycelium.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: k00laid] 1
#12989694 - 08/02/10 09:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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How would it not increase my yeild? More sub, larger area, more mushies...
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Doc_T]
#12989695 - 08/02/10 09:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Fruit cakes as cakes, don't spawn them. And pe hates cakes, don't know why.
I am getting PE6 from cakes...some "Texanish" and some "Penisy".
...but I can agree that they are not producing anything like Golden Teachers with cakes.
Also Roatan (Bay Islands Honduras via HawksEye) appears to be a very prolific fruiter on cakes. I will try to get a photo up, but my Roatan cakes are bristling compared to my PE6 cakes.
For newbies looking for a strong and easy strain to start with, then I can easily recommend Roatan. It overtook and colonized grains and cakes very aggressively. Where my Pan Cyan stalled at "the battle line", Roatan pushed past and completed colonization.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12989702 - 08/02/10 09:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: How would it not increase my yeild? More sub, larger area, more mushies...
because you're mycelium was ready to be introduced into fruiting conditions.
and then it was told to continue colonizing. after it already finished.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12989746 - 08/02/10 09:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: How would it not increase my yeild? More sub, larger area, more mushies...
I think that this matter can be explained in terms of yield *by weight*.
By weight, cakes are as productive as any other approach.
BUT if you spawn a cake to a bulk substrate, then you will get more weight of fruits than you would have with the cake.
But NOT more weight of fruits than a set of cakes that weighed as much as your final spawned bulk substrate.
HTH, correct as necessary.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Javadog]
#12989780 - 08/02/10 09:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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So say right now I'm working with ten 1pt jars. The total weight of those jars, would yeild the same as that weight in bulk?
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12989810 - 08/02/10 09:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: So say right now I'm working with ten 1pt jars. The total weight of those jars, would yeild the same as that weight in bulk?
in my opinion you could get the same yield out of a proper SGFC than spawning it to a monotub or w/e you were thinking.
but in non-internet terms: try and and tell us.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: k00laid]
#12989829 - 08/02/10 09:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I was thinking instead of letting them fruit on cakes, to spawn to a bulk substrate, to ultimately increase the amount of mushrooms I have. Especially the PE's.
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12989855 - 08/02/10 10:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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psychedellious said: Well I was thinking instead of letting them fruit on cakes, to spawn to a bulk substrate, to ultimately increase the amount of mushrooms I have. Especially the PE's.
goodluck
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: k00laid]
#12989891 - 08/02/10 10:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
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psychedellious said: Well I was thinking instead of letting them fruit on cakes, to spawn to a bulk substrate, to ultimately increase the amount of mushrooms I have. Especially the PE's.
goodluck
Is this a bad idea?
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12989978 - 08/02/10 10:49 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pint jars do frequently have issues with uncolonized centers.
So if you decide to spawn them, give them an extra couple days. You don't need to let spawn consolidate. Ever. But pint jars are notorious for slow colonizing centers and you don't want to use uncolonized brf.
If you decide to fruit it, let it consolidate.
Which should you do? Statistically you're better off fruiting them as cakes. If you spawn them you're risking them all for a small gain in yield. It's not worth the risk or the extra effort. The optimal choice is fruit as a cake.
That being said, if you want to spawn em, go for it.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: anonjon]
#12990044 - 08/02/10 11:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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anonjon said: Pint jars do frequently have issues with uncolonized centers.
So if you decide to spawn them, give them an extra couple days. You don't need to let spawn consolidate. Ever. But pint jars are notorious for slow colonizing centers and you don't want to use uncolonized brf.
If you decide to fruit it, let it consolidate.
Which should you do? Statistically you're better off fruiting them as cakes. If you spawn them you're risking them all for a small gain in yield. It's not worth the risk or the extra effort. The optimal choice is fruit as a cake.
That being said, if you want to spawn em, go for it.
Thank you this kinda clears up a lot. I've decided to let these ten fruit as is. The next time, I think im going to case to a bulk. But on a side note, the albino PE ape 1.0 has very healthy fast developing rizo myc. I'm very pleased with this strain, thus far.
-------------------- Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
#12990077 - 08/02/10 11:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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glad to help. looking forward to pics.
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: anonjon]
#16825171 - 09/10/12 06:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome. In the middle of APE grow now and all is looking very healthy.
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