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Offlinepsychedellious
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Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher
    #12984546 - 08/01/10 09:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

First off let me take a second to honor the life of Jerry Garcia, and say happy birthday to him. Hello everyone, I have a lot of PF jars going right now, most recent innoc was this morning, I have PF Red Spores, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy Hybrid, and Golden Teacher mushrooms colonizing right now. This is my plan of action: Fully colonize jars, w/o letting them consolidate their hold(to use as spawn) Spawn to bulk sub(coir/peat moss with pickling lime and hermit crab sand) proceed to fruiting in a large rubbermaid container, approx 18x24. Does anyone see a problem in proceeding in this manor? Any help/advice is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12984553 - 08/01/10 09:37 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Fruit cakes as cakes, don't spawn them.
And pe hates cakes, don't know why.


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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Doc_T]
    #12984558 - 08/01/10 09:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Really? My PE's are doing the best outta anything as far as cakes go. Why not use cakes as spawn? Seems like in theory it would work just as good as casing spawn.


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Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12984612 - 08/01/10 10:08 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well you said your not going to let them "consolidate their hold" but how do you plan on doing that? You cant shake pf jars, you don't want to disturb the dry verm layer. And when PF cakes finish colonizing they are very solid. If you REALLy want to use PF cakes as spawn you could use a cheese grater to shred them, but if you wanted to make spawn it would have been better to use something other than PF cakes since they take a bit longer to fully colonize.

and what Doc probably means about PE not liking cakes is probably that it doesn't probalby fruit well as a cake (though i can't back that up since i've never grown PE).

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: phaseflux]
    #12984632 - 08/01/10 10:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not planning on letting them sit the extra weak. Grate them up, during that time and spawn to bulk.


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Hope to see the day that I never come down
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12984666 - 08/01/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psychedellious said:
I'm not planning on letting them sit the extra weak. Grate them up, during that time and spawn to bulk.




if you don't let them sit for the extra week the inside might not be fully colonized

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12984672 - 08/01/10 10:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ittl work just use a 3 to 1 ratio


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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12984691 - 08/01/10 10:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psychedellious said:
Why not use cakes as spawn? Seems like in theory it would work just as good as casing spawn.




Cakes are super-powerful, spawning just waters that down.

Seems weird, I know. Do the math on some of these grows, you'll see what I mean.


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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Doc_T]
    #12984825 - 08/01/10 11:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If its fully colonized, on the out there is no reason the inside shouldn't be. There is a much larger surface area on the outside.


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Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12984903 - 08/01/10 11:55 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psychedellious said:
If its fully colonized, on the out there is no reason the inside shouldn't be. There is a much larger surface area on the outside.




Ok i don't know anything at all. do you what you want.

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: phaseflux]
    #12984916 - 08/01/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

No need to get offended. I'm just saying, from a logical standpoint.


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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12984925 - 08/01/10 12:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psychedellious said:
No need to get offended. I'm just saying, from a logical standpoint.




well ok, from a logical stand point i would say yes the outside of it does have a larger surface area, but we inoculate against the glass, and so thats where the mycelium starts from. works from the outside and spreads along the glass as well as towards the center. Even tho the outside looks colonized doesn't mean the inside is. I've broken what appeared to be a fully colonized cake before (accidently while birthing it) and the center wasn't  entirely colonized.

but yeah maybe it doesn't matter. give it a try. I don't think that not waiting for the consolidation period will make it easier to grate tho, so might as well make sure everything is fully colonized since your gonna grate them anyways.

Edited by phaseflux (08/01/10 12:10 PM)

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: phaseflux]
    #12985720 - 08/01/10 03:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

3:1 being spawn to sub?


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Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!



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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12986082 - 08/01/10 05:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psychedellious said:
If its fully colonized, on the out there is no reason the inside shouldn't be. There is a much larger surface area on the outside.



Its not a matter of surface area(2D)
Its a matter of volume (3D)
Its easier to colonise the glass.

Also the denser the nutrition is(cakes are very nutritious) the longer the mycelium takes to colonise. It colonises looking for food. If it has loads then it doesn't look for more quite so fast.

There are a lot of reason thats that the center wont be colonised when the visible, outer perimeter is colonised.

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Base Icks]
    #12987618 - 08/01/10 09:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I see, so I wait the extra week before grating? For the record the albino pe's are doing the best on the cakes as of right now.


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Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!



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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12987765 - 08/01/10 10:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, once they look 100% done, wait a week. :thumbup:

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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Base Icks]
    #12989422 - 08/02/10 07:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think that my bulk sub will be okay? Or is there a better method?


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Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!



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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: psychedellious]
    #12989673 - 08/02/10 08:51 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

you really won't increase you're size/yield by spawning your cakes.

cakes in the right conditions will outperform most substrates. (weight being the same of course)

especially because its hard to not consolidate cakes. and you really should consolidate them

and once you consolidate them you shouldn't break them up into another substrate. you are confusing you're mycelium.


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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #12989694 - 08/02/10 09:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

How would it not increase my yeild? More sub, larger area, more mushies...


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Sometimes I wanna get high travel up away to the beautiful skies
Float away and hope to never come down
Hope to see the day that I never come down
But what goes up is always bound to fall
All I'm trying to say is that I live my life raw
I'm gonna smoke weed the rest of my life
And give all I got till the day that I die, Ya!



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Re: Pf Redspore, Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, Golden Teacher [Re: Doc_T]
    #12989695 - 08/02/10 09:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Doc_T said:
Fruit cakes as cakes, don't spawn them.
And pe hates cakes, don't know why.




I am getting PE6 from cakes...some "Texanish" and some "Penisy".

...but I can agree that they are not producing anything
like Golden Teachers with cakes.

Also Roatan (Bay Islands Honduras via HawksEye) appears
to be a very prolific fruiter on cakes.  I will try to get
a photo up, but my Roatan cakes are bristling compared to
my PE6 cakes. 

For newbies looking for a strong and easy strain to start
with, then I can easily recommend Roatan.  It overtook and
colonized grains and cakes very aggressively.  Where my
Pan Cyan stalled at "the battle line", Roatan pushed past
and completed colonization.

Take care,

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