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 Re: My Wish...  [Re: Phluck]
#1300418 - 02/11/03 03:24 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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"suicide bomber" does.
"The intent is to take other lives."
if it werent they would just do it at home....
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"Wrong again.... deterence is the desired result of the punishment."
Well, that's what people say. In my experience those who loudly support the death penalty seem to have a strong desire to see blood above all else. I think vengence is a pretty strong factor in people's desire to be "tough on crime".
I support the death peanalty, I support cruel and unusual punishment, because if its not cruel and unusual....it's just not punishment....
My Views...By an Ex-Convict thats in a 15year battle with state, local and federal law enforcement and reporting agencies
First, Prison is not about reform, nor about rehabilitation, if were really about punishment then why are there so many repeat offenders...Prison is about Money. The money to house and guard prisoners runs into the billions each year, but what is it paying for, housing hardened criminals that should have no rights at all, people that are learning how to beat the system, or at least circumvent it, or to enable them to file frivolous lawsuits that waste court resources and tax payer dollars....I say cut the budget for prisons, infact tear them all down and install the new low maintainence prison....First dig a deep pit....200ft deep, and how ever large you feel you need, line that pit with concrete, walls, floors, everything except a 4 inch drain in the center....now, dump 3000 convicted violent offenders into this pit, toss in about 300 pillows and blankets and let them fight it out....who ever is alive gets to eat that night....the corpses of the dead.....they have no rights in my eyes, they are rapists and murderers, child molesters and the like, the ones that feed off of society.....
On the subject of cruel and unusual, Politicians, I believe they should have a limit of 2 terms...one in office, one in prison....Crooked politicians, judges cops and the like, you know the one, the cop thats robbing strip bars or caught for racketeering....Well these bastards are supposed to be working on our behalf.... how does a kickback from a pawnshop help me....it doesnt...Sentances for crooked cops is the PIT....same with the rest of the Govt agents....their punishment should be 10 times as severe as what they hand out...ALL Should be Accountable for their actions regardless of position....
Drug Offenders....was there really a crime....did he really force someone to use....was there a victim at all....ok, so the IRS feels victimized....so TAX it and if they dont pay the taxes....try using a collection agency, not the gestapo...
I have always viewed crimes as needing a victim, if there isnt one who swore out the complaint, why prosecute someone if no one was hurt, indangered or suffered any sort of loss....if it doesnt encroach on freedoms, or step on toes somehow was anything bad done....no, but it's another for of revenue, under what some like to refer to as 'maritime law' as opposed to comon law which is what I was discribing above....no victim-no crime....
and for the death peanalty....if you commit a crime of violence, ie....armed robbery, rape, murder, attempted murder or any of the others involving a risk to life....the death peanalty, 1 appeal after that the sentance is carried out after court, no protests, no lawsuits, nothing but a funeral....
for lessor criminals, send them to the 'school behind bars', if they have little education, get them to at least a high school diploma, if they have that, get them to a degree of some sort....if they fail to advance, then fail to release them until they can, if they have a more serious sentance educate them longer....if they commit a crime after that....send them to the pit.....
would you rather be in my crime free society or the current one....I make prison a deterent from crime, you dont want to go there....cuz if you fuck up after you finish school....you wont fuck up again.....
I have been, I know what goes on in the minds of alot of them, repeat offenders prove they cannot function in society, and I think we are obligated to remove some of them from it...and possibly even the face of the earth. Prisoners arent afraid of prison, it like the boys club....
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"If his principle motivation was to kill others, which it was, he rightly would be called a homicide bomber."
Well, someone came up with the term "suicide bomber" because it does a pretty good job of describing the act. Homicide bomber, as you pointed out, can cover a broad range of meanings.
Nobody was ever confused about the meaning.
Why was it necessary to change it?
Did "suicide bomber" offend you?
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Re: My Wish... [Re: Skikid16]
#1301057 - 02/11/03 09:38 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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In reference to you saying words were just words
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I'm sorry but where did you see me say that?
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I remember you clearly saying that in the thread where I said that I thought less of Mr. Mushrooms for using the term "towel head". But that's neither here nor there.
Go back, re-read this thread. See if you can understand what I was asking. Here's a hint. I was NOT asking to be shown where I said words are just words.
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Re: My Wish... [Re: Phluck]
#1301063 - 02/11/03 09:44 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did "suicide bomber" offend you?
Offend? No.
It's just a feel good term showing support for the bombers plight. It's innaccurate, misleading, and IMO was coined to divert attention from the fact that they are nothing more than cowardly murderers.
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Homicide bomber, as you pointed out, can cover a broad range of meanings.
No. Homicide bomber means someone who has deliberately killed non-combatants with a bomb.
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i will always use the word "homocide bomber" because that's just what it is....suicide is secondary. Maybe we should call them" homocidal suicide bombers"?
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Hey, my bad, I thought you were asking to be shown where you said that words were just words, so I jumped on the opportunity to try to show you, hey, if you give an opportunity to prove you wrong, I gotta take it, its just my nature. But you're right, you weren't asking for that. Sorry to jump the gun.........
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Re: My Wish... [Re: Skikid16]
#1301594 - 02/12/03 04:10 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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time out for you mister...........
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i was guessing around 40-50% but i'm not sure (not that they would have a stat for that mind you)
Wonder if they've got a stat for how many corporate directors would be willing to refuse their welfare (three times as much as the poor get)
My guess is 0%.
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Xlea321
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No. Homicide bomber means someone who has deliberately killed non-combatants with a bomb.
Guess we'll have to rename the american airforce the american homicide bomber force 
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Re: My Wish... [Re: Xlea321]
#1301613 - 02/12/03 04:17 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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****Wonder if they've got a stat for how many corporate directors would be willing to refuse their welfare (three times as much as the poor get)****
my wish would count towards corporations as well. I don't think ANY private corporation should recieve public money...survival of the fitest.
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So show me where I said that anyone who heard that term thought of a guy in a field blowing himself up.
You said,
If he went out into the woods and only killed himself, he'd be a suicide bomber.
Sorry, I didn't think if I changed "woods" to "open field" it would throw you for such a loop. I guess I overestimated you!
So let's go back. Is there ANYONE stupid enough to think a a suicide bomber is someone who goes off ALONE with a bomb and detonates it??? Are you claiming you were that stupid, that all the time that it was "suicide bomber" in the news you were confused, and only in the past year, after the White House coined the term "homice bomber" (and the media IMMEDIATELY ate it up) it's been making sense to you???
You said before you "weren't afraid of words" and so on, but if you give some thought to WHY the government saw fit to change the term--which was not, by the way, misleading as you claim, not in the SLIGHTEST--you might see that words are, in fact powerful stuff. Sucker.
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Re: My Wish... [Re: hongomon]
#1301948 - 02/12/03 07:26 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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****So let's go back. Is there ANYONE stupid enough to think a a suicide bomber is someone who goes off ALONE with a bomb and detonates it??? ****
That's why these people should be called homocide bombers. A Suicide bomber should mean that the person blows ONLY him/herself up. Noone is saying that this is the case, rather that is a misuse of a word. It's a kinder gentler way of saying murderer.
a proper term for someone that detonates a bomb in the middle of a resturant of innocent people should be called a "homocide bomber", "murdering bomber", or murderer...either way it fits the situation...
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Hey, if I could just step in here for a second and give my 2 cents. WHO THE FUCK CARES IF THEY ARE CALLED SUICIDE OR HOMOCIDE BOMBERS? Either way they're both fucked up, I mean does it really matter.
I think it should be suicide/homocide bombers. They kill themselves-thus the suicide, and they kill others-thus the homocide.
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Re: My Wish... [Re: Skikid16]
#1302009 - 02/12/03 07:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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true, they are both bad and should have no glory in performing such an act, in our world and the muslim community.
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Re: My Wish... [Re: Xlea321]
#1302107 - 02/12/03 08:36 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guess we'll have to rename the american airforce the american homicide bomber force
Yes, you would had they deliberately killed non-combatants .
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: My Wish... [Re: hongomon]
#1302130 - 02/12/03 08:46 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are a sad example of the failed school system.
I originally said....
"If he went out into the woods and only killed himself, he'd be a suicide bomber."
You foolishly replied....
"So you think ANYONE who heard the term "suicide bomber" thought of a person carrying a bomb out into an open field and detonating it?"
To which I replied....
"I'm sorry but where did you see me say that?"
and then for clarity......
"So show me where I said that anyone who heard that term thought of a guy in a field blowing himself up."
The point being, I didn't say that anyone who heard the term suicide bomber would think that he ran out into the woods and killed himself. I phrased it quite carefully. It's not my fault that your grasp of the English language is so piss poor you can't grasp the meaning of a simple sentence.
Try again with your eyes cleared of the crap in them from having your head up your ass.
Just to help, I didn't say anyone would think anything when they heard the term, I said if he had done so the term would be correct.
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You can argue all you want for what you think a term "should" mean. But "suicide bomber" will never mean that. In fact, there is no need for a term that means "someone who takes his and only his life with a bomb," just like there's no need for the term "suicide shooter" or "suicide poisoner" or whatever. The fact remains that suicide bomber MEANS exactly what the new propagandized term, "homicide bomber" means. It didn't create confusion. My main point, besides what an idiot luv is, is not which term should be used, but that we should stop and wonder why our government suddenly came out with an obviously biased term, when the original term neither confused nor misled. Like you I wish government officials were truthful. But they're not, and they lie to and manipulate the public and this is an example of the them yanking us around.
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Re: My Wish... [Re: hongomon]
#1302396 - 02/12/03 10:23 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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My main point, besides what an idiot luv is
OH THE PAIN! A fool who can't comprehend a simple sentence called me an idiot.
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The fact remains that suicide bomber MEANS exactly what the new propagandized term, "homicide bomber" means.
Not with an accurate reading of a dictionary. Oh that's right.... you have no comprehension skills.
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wonder why our government suddenly came out with an obviously biased term
Biased? No. Much more accurate? Yes.
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and this is an example of the them yanking us around.
No, suicide bomber is a term thought up by the lefties to gloss over a cowardly act committed by scumbags.
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That reminds me: calling suicide bombings "cowardly acts" is another example of how you're getting yanked around. Fuck, what a puppet you are. Where do you think you got that kind of misnomer? (answer below...)
THE MEDIA
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I wish politicians told the truth...
I wish America would let others solve their own problems...
I wish extreme muslims would be cast out of the muslim world...
I wish America would practice what they preach...
I wish Liberals would think instead of feel...
I wish Conservatives had spines...
I wish there were a viable 3rd party choice in America...
I wish America was to some extent or other, isolationist...
I wish political correctness was eliminated...
I wish people would take responsibility for their actions...
I wish it was illegal to sue when you spill coffe on your cooch...
I wish lawyers had a conscience...
I wish medical care wasn't sooo expensive...
I wish social programs that don't benefit the public were eliminated...
I wish welfare was meant as assistance, not a way of life...
I wish corporate criminals were made to pay for their crimes...
I wish the environment wasn't used as an excuse to stop innovation...
I wish oil wasn't needed through alternate sources...
I wish they made electric cars that people actually want to buy...
I have no idea why i posted this, i just thought i would...
what do you wish? (besides wishing that i would shut up  because that won't happen)
I feel that.
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