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henk600
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Cubensis PES Hawai on straw log/failed
#12981203 - 07/31/10 02:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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this is my current experiment/grow first time on straw. i get this strain from fsre. this strain is named''Cubensis PES Hawai'',let me make it clear with this comment from fsre: http://fsre.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=163&Itemid=57 ========================================================= This strain is actually not a native to the Hawaiian Islands, but it comes from a Hawaiian spore supplier and so it was named. The exact origin of this strain is unknown but it's impressive fruits have kept it in popular circulation.
It usually produces larger sized fruitbodies that somewhat resemble the Golden Teacher. It's not certain if there is a relation between the GTs and this one, but they do share some similar characteristics. ================================================================ i started this sunday the 25th of july. it all begun with pasteurizing the straw :

used an garbage bag full with gates from a fork for the straw:

the straw in the bag before pasturation:

here i let the water drip out and let it cool to room temparature after pasturation:

this are the ones im gonna use for this project:

 (the coffeefilters are only to hold an extra polyfilter i placed on the lid and nothing more)
the jars shaking allready and the straw,the box and some other things:

here i insert the straw and collonized rye ,3 layers of straw and 2 layers of the collonized rye.

after that i placed some plastic with little holes over it and packed it in like a baby 

placed another plastic over the container self:

packed it in an garbage bag for the light keeps darker. also i placed this up my current in use incubator where the temparature is 27 graden continu.

this was 5 days later(yesterday)

this was today 10 hours ago:(with the plastic,sorry for the not so clear pic,i have light problems on my ''camera''(htc)

i also have a question about the moisture when i dont case it. is there enough moisture in the straw for the first flush? or is it no problem when i mist this time to time right over the mycelium it self @ top of the straw?
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#12981342 - 07/31/10 02:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is awesome grow. I love it.
I didn't find straw monotubs to pin very well. You might consider casing it.
You're asking about misting, you're not going to fruit that yet are you? It looks beautiful but it's not ready to fruit.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: anonjon]
#12981392 - 07/31/10 03:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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thnx man!
no not fruiting now,im waiting till its fully colonized. i shall case this later,i think its better to keep the moisture in the straw higher. also with later misting it gives an extra protection.
the mycelium grows very fast,i give this maybe 4 days more from now and it will be fully colonised.
i have this strain from fsre holland and they named it''cubensis hawai''. dont know if its real hawai but ok....at least this one is agressive in growing i see!
i shall update this log time to time.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#12982546 - 07/31/10 08:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's plenty of moisture in the straw for first flush. In addition, straw fruits better uncased. Next time, you'll have better luck with straw if you chop it finer, and place a weight on top to hold it slightly compressed as it colonizes. RR
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Great grow log! Thanks for sharing.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: Randy1937]
#12983970 - 08/01/10 02:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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thank you for the good advice RR, i shall not place a casing for the first flush. but is it better to case after that first flush or can i also dunk it after the first flush and use no casing over it?
i really wonder, i readed more logs but one say its better with and one says its better not cased. i saw all you videos and works and i really respect your knowledge and experience which you share with us.
also next time i shall cut the straw in little'r pieces,some are to long. this is my first straw grow ever in my life and i prefer learning it good then have a good harvest first. cause thats the way we can learn it best,by making mistakes and learn from that mistakes ;-)
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#12984197 - 08/01/10 06:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: There's plenty of moisture in the straw for first flush. In addition, straw fruits better uncased.
It's a monotub and you've only got the top surface to fruit from. Does the surface has a lot of bare grain on it? Exposed grains don't pin well.
You normally wouldn't case straw. But then people don't often do straw in monotubs like that.
Here's one that I did. Yes it pinned ok without a casing:

I felt it would have benefited from a casing layer tho, if even just some verm for a better surface texture. If I were to do straw in a mono again (and I wouldn't, baskets rule), I would do some simple casing layer on top.
I'd like to see a pic of one of RR's straw monotubs pinning and hear some details about it.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: anonjon]
#12984469 - 08/01/10 08:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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thnx for this advice,that was also what i was thinking off. the surface have more straw,i covered it in layers(straw,myc,straw,myc,straw)
i think that it would be better with casing in the current mono tub i colonize them in right now. since the monotub have a to low rv i guess,so the subsrate would dry out.
but i also have an extra shotgun terrarium over where i shall put it in. so i think on that way it haves 95% rv,so that the straw dont need an casing?
so i think its better to place it when fully colonized in the shotgun terrarium for fruiting?
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#12984575 - 08/01/10 09:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sure if you can take the whole thing out and put it in a good fruiting chamber. How big is it tho, is it gonna cover up all the perlite in the shotgun?
Blocks of straw fruit better like this than in tubs from what I've seen.
This is a huge block of straw I fruited inside 2 110 quart tubs taped together into one giant tub and made into a shotgun fruiting chamber. (Standard hole size/spacing)
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: anonjon]
#12984730 - 08/01/10 10:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think it will cover around 50 %,so i guess there is enough space.
nice pic you have there,good idea! this give me an insparation for a later experiment.
this is my first grow ever,i also have made an big wooden box with 2 shotgun boxes in it with an airpump for some air and an 8 watt fluoscerent lamp(energy bulb). this box had some problems with humidity since i also had monotubs in that box which dried out the containers in it with rye with casing. now since i maked the boxes to shotguns the pins are showing.
right now i have 3 shotgun terrariums over so enough room for more experiments;-) i shall use one for the straw block. i shall place this in my living room.
also,do i have to case this block after the first flush in the shotgun or is no casing needed after flushes in this shotgun? i guess there is now enough rv for it? or maybe only a dunk after each flush?
greets, henk600
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#12984898 - 08/01/10 11:51 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you would never case after a flush. you either case in the beginning or u don't.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: anonjon]
#12984953 - 08/01/10 12:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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thnx again for your good advices! now i know what excactly to do,thnx!
i shall keep posting pics also when i can to update this topic.
greets henk600
btw i added 5 shrooms for your good advices
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#12989090 - 08/02/10 03:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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today pic 10 minutes ago.
some straw is to long and i can see this make it need a little longer to colonize.(as you can see on the long straws up.)
i think over 2 days i can transform this to the fruiting room. if this will goes good i am planning to use this technique also for the future. then i also shall do what anonjon did with the baskets,this looks to me as an very promising technique for great big flushes.
i shall keep update this topic as much as i can till the end.
greets henk600
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13005584 - 08/05/10 04:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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update. i placed the straw to the fruiting chamber. some long straw on the surface is not covered by my but i think this will also colonize in days. thats a lesson for me to cut the straw shorter next time...
ok here are some pics:




now i will wait and keep the rv as high as i can in the shotgun ter. i really cant wait to see it grow shrooms but ok ,patience haha.
greets henk600
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13006013 - 08/05/10 08:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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are those quarter inch holes? they look small to me. don't sacrifice too much fae for humidity. it's just as important.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: anonjon]
#13007312 - 08/05/10 01:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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thnx for the tip! i maked the holes a little larger. they were to small ...
thnx i did''nt realised that, but i drilled the holes a little larger to 1/4 now. (also on my other shotguns,i got 4 more)
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13015828 - 08/07/10 03:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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but i wanna see an update henk, im gonna knock up some straw log 2day, your grow looks nice, gonns get some big boys from that block i rekon!!!
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i made this pic 10 minutes ago, it seems that is goes ok till now.
i hope this one give big boys!
also succes with your straw,hope its going good.
greets henk
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13016100 - 08/07/10 07:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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looks ace m8.
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FractalXplora said: looks ace m8.
me too
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: anonjon]
#13018237 - 08/07/10 05:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
anonjon said:
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RogerRabbit said: There's plenty of moisture in the straw for first flush. In addition, straw fruits better uncased.
It's a monotub and you've only got the top surface to fruit from. Does the surface has a lot of bare grain on it? Exposed grains don't pin well.
You normally wouldn't case straw. But then people don't often do straw in monotubs like that.
Here's one that I did. Yes it pinned ok without a casing:

I felt it would have benefited from a casing layer tho, if even just some verm for a better surface texture. If I were to do straw in a mono again (and I wouldn't, baskets rule), I would do some simple casing layer on top.
I'd like to see a pic of one of RR's straw monotubs pinning and hear some details about it.
I wonder if this is where weighting down the colonizing substrate might help produce a substrate better able to fruit uncased.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: Javadog]
#13018334 - 08/07/10 06:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the pictures and contributing to the shroomery, welcome Henk600!
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thnx for the comments, for me its no problem to show my new hobby. and i want to thank all the people here that helps others out.
im glad this site is here with good cultivators ,it helps lots of people out, by this way we can grow our shrooms all over the world
peace and goodluck for all of you, henk600
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: Javadog]
#13022062 - 08/08/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Javadog said: I wonder if this is where weighting down the colonizing substrate might help produce a substrate better able to fruit uncased.
You should try to compress the straw for colonization in any case.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: anonjon]
#13022069 - 08/08/10 02:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
anonjon said:
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Javadog said: I wonder if this is where weighting down the colonizing substrate might help produce a substrate better able to fruit uncased.
You should try to compress the straw for colonization in any case.
Cool. Will do. I have not used straw yet, but some of the strains that I hope to do prefer it, so....
Take care,
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: Javadog]
#13034992 - 08/11/10 02:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yesterday i looked at the straw and in 1 corner there was this toxic light green spot which took around 3 centimeter cubic,.......
here it is,the pic is'nt sharp but the green is toxic light green:

i removed around 8 centimeter from the straw block in lenght and placed some salt where i cutted it. also sprayed some pure 3% peroxide over that place.
do i have a change for this? or is this block un savable? (i hope i ca save this...)
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13035127 - 08/11/10 03:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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sounds like you done all you could henk,shame about the green, how longs he been siting in the fruiting chamber now?
NO pins yet?
my log still colonizing, scared to peek.
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this block straw is now 6 days in te fc, found this green shit yesterday evening. there are no pins yet...
i moved it to the outside in my garden on an place out of the sun(21 graden here), to prevent it spreads in my house.
i let it wait there,and see if the green continues. i dont hope so...... i did not see new green after i cut that piece out, lets hope it goes ok
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13035438 - 08/11/10 07:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think this experiment is lost.....
it keeps spreading over the whole straw block, also now there are nasty black spots.
im gonna burry this in the park on an not sunny place and hope the mycelium will spread out there in the ground. maybe it wil survive there and maybe (little change)it will give some shrooms.
unfortunally..... failed.
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13035594 - 08/11/10 09:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry Henk!
Thank you for sharing....sadly failures help too.
Keep at it. Do you have materials to continue?
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: Javadog]
#13035627 - 08/11/10 09:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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fortunally i have ;-)
3 strains: cub pes hawai cub b+ and cub thai
5 kilos of rye,cocos,liquid cultures, i have all the things to start again.
i have more projects like 7 containers of cocos/horse shit which i placed today in my fruitbox and another big container which is also in another fruit box.
 so not game over,i will keep trying!
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Re: cubensis on straw log [Re: henk600]
#13038031 - 08/11/10 06:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fingers crossed!
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