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Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa
#12979926 - 07/31/10 04:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a really eventful trip which i havce described here in my trip report.
My favourite part of the trip was at the end. Here, i was looking at a white wall and, the wall became very alive (not alive as in moving but birght) and i could see on it curved cone shapes which appeared to be what i can only seeded to be a forth dimention.
I'm pretty sure i remember Terence McKenna saying in one of his lectures something about possibly seeing a forth dimention while tripping. This continused for some time.
These cones and the wall being so alive didn't seem like your average visuals. I only get very mild visuals anyway, if any. Even on high doeses.
Has anyone else think they have seen something which can almost only be described as a forth dimention?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12979989 - 07/31/10 05:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you just insult John Cleese? You can go now.
And FYI, the fourth dimension is time.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
#12980000 - 07/31/10 05:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who's John Cheese?
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thecoalman said: And FYI, the fourth dimension is time.
Hmm ok. I'v never heard this before. I saw a documentary on SBS a a few months ago called something like "What is Time?" or "What Time is it?" and this didn't call time i forth dimention.
I'm open to all ideas.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12980004 - 07/31/10 05:17 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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O rite, John Cleese. Not John Cheese
Na, i didn't insult him. Being an up-tight person is the character of Mr Fawtly and he plays that role exceptionally. All i meant was watching such Mr Fawlty's paranoia and judgementalness made me undomfortable after a while. I have nothing against John Cleese.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
#12980056 - 07/31/10 05:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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thecoalman said:
And FYI, the fourth dimension is time.
Well not exactly Carl sagan explains the 4th dimension:
I don't like posting wikipedia but this page is quite easy and comprehensive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12980361 - 07/31/10 09:04 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think that shrooms will show you 4th dimension?? LOL. It's just an illusion, buddy.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: nari]
#12980398 - 07/31/10 09:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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So if aliens made me super small and put me in the body of another human say, magic school bus style then that would be a 4th dimension..
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Molester]
#12982375 - 07/31/10 07:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It doesn't seem toooo unrealistic an idea that it should never be discussed, i recon. I remember reading an experiemnt done in the 60's where people were given a low dose of psilocybin and they were meant to trace lines or something like that. The experiment concluded that psilocybin, at least in low doses, makes people see things more clearly.
The apparent 4D i could see was nothing like i've experienced before. As i said earlier, i don't get major visuals while tripping.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12982478 - 07/31/10 07:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You probably already know time is effected by velocity and gravity, but did you know it is also supposed to be effected by the flow of electricity ? I totally forget where I read this, but electrons are supposed to flow towards areas where time is slowest. Might have got that a little backwards but there is definetly supposed to be a relationship beteen the two.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12982622 - 07/31/10 08:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is a relevant video;
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12982655 - 07/31/10 08:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually it is not so far fetched saying that other dimensions can be seen but not "touched" while under psychedelics. Our body's are literally stuck in the third dimension but I believe our consciousness can delve into deeper dimensions, after all everything you see, feel, and touch is interpreted as signals in your brain. Start connecting and opening up your neuropathways with psychedelics and you can visit other dimensions with your consciousness alone. DMT entities and Near Death Experiences entities are theorized by some as other dimensional beings.
For instance if you see a person or a tree, they are only signals in your brain, stimuli. So is it wrong to think that visions, geometrical patterning, and Entities are unreal? or just out of this world and dimension entirely.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Smawrpg]
#12982688 - 07/31/10 08:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is worth considering that the part of us that is rooted in that other dimension interacts and controls our third dimensional self by regulating and initiating electro-chemical signals in the brain. These signals are measured on an ionic level, Is there such a thing as ionic plasma? E=mc2 matter can become energy and energy can become matter, all is electromagnetic energy of some form.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12982968 - 07/31/10 09:52 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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A 4 dimensional being can see every single side of a 3rd dimensional object all at once.
This is what i could see; every side of hypercones which where all connected by a flatter area. They were so incredibly clear too. Many times clearer and brighter than psychedelics usually make things.
I'm pretty sure that the hypercones i could see were also moving slowly.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12983087 - 07/31/10 10:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a strange vision once, not so long ago. I had been smoking cannabis, both resin and herbal mixed with tobacco. I went for a lay down and as I relaxed started seeing hypnogogic images. I was seeing myself and started to focus on my eyes being my main window into this world. I imagined myself being external from the world and as I was doing this the world sort of became inverted, by this I mean spatial reality completely reversed. My body seemed like a deflated ballon but the eyeholes remained allowing me see from the external world where I really existed. It was a weird way of percieving things
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12983808 - 08/01/10 01:40 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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As was mentioned above, time is widely regarded as the fourth dimension. So maybe you think you saw a fifth dimension?
I could be wrong but I don't believe what you saw was actually another dimension. A cone is a three dimensional object. A further dimension means you would require another coordinate to define the object. For example, in our world everything can be defined using longitude, latitude, volume and time. I believe your object could be defined within those parameters.
I'm not discounting the thought that psychedelics could provide the path to higher dimensions; I just think what you saw was some crazy, surreal shit rather than another dimension. Still, that sounds like an amazing experience.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Sun Lips]
#12983946 - 08/01/10 02:43 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok.
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Sun Lips said: A cone is a three dimensional object.
By the way, i could see all sides of the hypercons. Sorry for calling them 'cones' at the start. I only found out they were called 'hypercones' not long ago.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12984855 - 08/01/10 11:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Time is the way in which we EXPERIENCE the fourth dimension. We only experience a small sliver of the fourth dimension at once, that is the present moment. We move through all 11 dimensions all the time, we are just for the most part unaware.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: mattritt]
#12985202 - 08/01/10 01:31 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think those dimensions are like that. There surely is something that our eyes can't see, but 1d, 2d and other dimension idea does not make sense. In the theory there is said that first there's 1d then 2d and 3d is what we see. It is said that 4d beings 'space' is made out of infinite 3d spaces, so they see all 3d world from 4d space that we can't see, but they can see and be in our space. Our space actually makes up part of their space, where they exist. So in a sense 3d space is made out of 1d and 2d, how come we can't see those lower spaces and entities that are surrounded by it?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: HeartAndMind]
#12989108 - 08/02/10 03:40 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once my 'x?' gf fave me a few ativan, knowing what Id do with them... I ate a bunch of woodlovers, I dont even know how many..
But it was nice to have a low tolerance and a few ativan n a bunch of mush....
She knew we were in for a ride, so she lovingly got out some chill aqua blue and green type quilts or blankets and layed them all over my floor, it took a couple or few... It reminded me of a padded psych room, lol...
I remember after I started tripping pretty good, I? just layed there, and she just layed there with me, just loving me...
When I decided I wanted to sit up, I was awestruck, there was amazing things everywhere, I was taken aback, kinda breathless, awestruck I guess, and Im pretty damn experienced...
Once it was all on, she was just chiiling drawing and coloring like she likes to do the most I think... There for me as soon, and whenever, like if nothing but hella more caring and sensitive and gentle... Beautilful...
I was just tihnking I guess, doin the same as always just way high.. At one point I looked at my hands, it seemed like there was something on them. I thought it was a spider web. I proceeded to whisk it off, but it was really sticky. I realized I was just trippin, but I just decided to go with it, play with it I guess. But in all seriousness in a way, I was impressed I guess. I kept trying to get it off, and then just started moving my hand and fingers in a way that was really damn fluid.. I just kept doing that and at this point it was to me to see how fast i guess, i could make it look like i was trying to get something off of my hand.
with my hand, lol... So I kept it up, and then that shit started actually coming off of my hand, after it had disapeared. I was like unwinding it from my hand or wrist with the same hand, and my hand was like right in front of my face i think. It must have looked weird.
We talked about it once after that and I believe my gf said it looked the same to her as well.
For some reason electro plasm came to our minds.
It was odd, but i really got into gettin the shit off my hands, so much so, that how the hell are you supposed to see a web on someones hand? And how long are you willing to watch them?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: HeartAndMind]
#12989324 - 08/02/10 05:41 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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HeartAndMind said: first there's 1d then 2d and 3d is what we see. It is said that 4d beings 'space' is made out of infinite 3d spaces, so they see all 3d world from 4d
space that we can't see, but they can see and be in our space. Our space actually makes up part of their space, where they exist.
So in a sense 3d space is made out of 1d and 2d, how come we can't see those lower spaces and entities that are surrounded by it?
Pretty much, we can try to imagine how it (the fourth dimension) would look but our minds are built around living in 3 dimensions so we can never really know. We can perfectly visualize in our minds the first and second dimension. Diagram of our 3 dimensions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension#Spatial_dimensions
I think you seem to be thinking of living entities in this other "dimension" just because this other dimension would be there doesn't mean that some 1d 2d or 4d creature/living thing would inhabit it. The fourth dimension a mostly mathematical plane of thought. Most of the time we refer to someone observing a dimension or from another dimension to ease the thought of how it would look like.
The best analogy is in my opinion the shadow analogy: the shadow of a two dimensional object would cast a one dimensional object, the shadow of a 3d object is a 2d object and thus the shadow of a 4d object would be a 3D shadow.
Trying to think of this fourth dimension is extremely interesting and great "mind exercise" There's a load of speculation and research around this, watch the carl sagan video, read the easy to understand wiki article, do some research on peer reviewed science sites, and be wary of a lot of pseudoscience/religion/new-age bullshit that ofcourse always surrounds these hard to understand concepts
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Fowley]
#12989334 - 08/02/10 05:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is this what you mean ?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12994866 - 08/03/10 08:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol, its not possible for our brains to make errors and us be consciously aware of them?
To me the 4th or w/e is just like limbo, fleeting reminders, or hints at the world without our senses, is nothing..
Even our own minds are nothing but reminders of ourselves..
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13000223 - 08/04/10 05:31 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brainstem said: Is this what you mean ?

Yer. I only saw hypercones though. And they where really smooth-looking and comected by a really smooth/calm sea-like area.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13001538 - 08/04/10 01:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been thinking about this one a bit, and in Quantum physics as we observe, we see the thing we most expect to see one possibility, the most probable. Under the influence of DMT it might be that what we see is a bandwidth of the most probable reality. In another post on here about DMT entities I wrote of my experience on DMT, and to cut a long story short, I saw my curtains moving as if blown by the wind and they seemed to be made of much finer material than they actually are.
It may be a stretch, but imagine seeing all of the positions the curtains could be in, animated as if going through the movement. When the Dmt wore off the curtains returned to the same thick, none moving curtains from before.
-------------------- The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13002149 - 08/04/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol that is interesting.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#13002347 - 08/04/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice one.
I'm looking forward to my first DMT breakthrough. Won't be long now
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13002367 - 08/04/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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This wasn't a break through, it was my first time ever and I had enough for the three hits but lost my nerve a little after two ( I'll be braver next time). Still had a subtle intensity to it
yes, subtle intensity
-------------------- The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13002421 - 08/04/10 04:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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O ok.
I asked my friend what a "DMT breakthrough" is and he just said I'll know when I experience it.
I've only ever had one cone of DMT and it wasn't as enough.
When I finish my extraction I'll be able to have more.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
#13002620 - 08/04/10 04:52 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've always heard that the fourth dimension is time.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: starcade]
#13002752 - 08/04/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, dont push yourself.
IMO its not really about, oh man bad ass i just ate *** hits/grams...
That wont really teach you much in my experience, except how to enjoy the doses im talking about, lol...
Its about teh fun man, thats it..
Wherever your fun comes from, idk. But dont think ur dose size matters, cause ive eaten a shitload and i still like half hits or little nibbles, even though some ppl think thats lame, they are usually lame, lol...
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: starcade]
#13002797 - 08/04/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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starcade said: I've always heard that the fourth dimension is time.
Well it is according to Einstein, but apparently that's "no longer used in modern physics."
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13003193 - 08/04/10 06:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brainstem said: Is this what you mean ?

I see the regular polytope all over when I trip on shrooms but a bunch all over, all connected and even more complex. like crystal spiderwebs.
With DMT I see them at the beginning but then entities start to build out of air almost like my vision clears up and I can see them all around me like they are really there all the time but my normal vision blocks them. Open eye I see a lot of fairies like entities and serpents slithering all around. I also see a lot of little short stumpy like beings almost like Mayan statues. Some of the most amazing things I have ever seen.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: mattritt]
#13005632 - 08/05/10 05:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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mattritt said: Time is the way in which we EXPERIENCE the fourth dimension. We only experience a small sliver of the fourth dimension at once, that is the present moment. We move through all 11 dimensions all the time, we are just for the most part unaware.
This is correct, time is how we experience 4D although I don't know about 11D. We are living in a 4D reality but we move sort of "point by point" on this axis, it's as if you're continuously counting up the real numbers as time flows (different people count at different rates as per relativity). The rate of moving point to point is the speed of information itself, which is identical to the speed of light in vacuum.
The thing is, 1D contains an infinite set of 0D points, 2D contains 1D x 1D, 3D contains 1D X 1D X 1D. 4D thus contains an infinite set of 3D spaces, and time is the means by which our consciousness can make sense of this - by taking it a single moment at a time. It takes all the energy in the universe to process this single moment of infinite variation in the 3 axes; of course energy is merely an invention of consciousness to keep track so the next stage exists just as effortlessly as this.
It's like flicking through a book, only that there is such a thing as "page 365.172". On the planck scale we expect discrete "page numbers", a planck time being on the order of 10^-43s - continuity of time is somewhat illusory, it's just veiled very well by the physics of scales.
To see 5D (or as you call it, 4D) would perhaps be impossible because you would need all the information content of this universe at your disposal, only then could you move on. Perhaps tripping does allow this via god-consciousness, the human body is a minute speck relative to the grand I which is processing and filtering everything at once in real time.
The sheer complexity of a 3D universe is off the hook, it will take quite some time (hehe) for consciousness to process it. If we assume 1 "dimension" of time as a constant then 4D will require some kind of exponential increase in how much "time" is available, it's one of those "infinity times bigger than infinity" kind of things.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
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mattritt said: Time is the way in which we EXPERIENCE the fourth dimension. We only experience a small sliver of the fourth dimension at once, that is the present moment. We move through all 11 dimensions all the time, we are just for the most part unaware.
This is correct, time is how we experience 4D although I don't know about 11D. We are living in a 4D reality but we move sort of "point by point" on this axis, it's as if you're continuously counting up the real numbers as time flows (different people count at different rates as per relativity). The rate of moving point to point is the speed of information itself, which is identical to the speed of light in vacuum.
The thing is, 1D contains an infinite set of 0D points, 2D contains an infinite set of 1D lines, 3D contains an infinite set of 2D planes. 4D thus contains an infinite set of 3D spaces, and time is the means by which our consciousness can make sense of this - by taking it a single moment at a time. It takes all the energy in the universe to process this single moment of infinite variation in the 3 axes; of course energy is merely an invention of consciousness to keep track so the next stage will exist (if it ever does) just as effortlessly as this.
It's like flicking through a book, only that there is such a thing as "page 365.172". On the planck scale we expect discrete "page numbers", a planck time being on the order of 10^-43s - continuity of time is somewhat illusory, it's just veiled very well by the physics of scales.
To see 5D (or as you call it, 4D) would perhaps be impossible because you would need all the information content of this universe at your disposal, only then could you move on. Perhaps tripping does allow this via god-consciousness, the human body is a minute speck relative to the grand I which is processing and filtering everything at once in real time.
The sheer complexity of a 3D universe is off the hook, it will take quite some time (hehe) for consciousness to process it. If we assume 1 "dimension" of time as a constant then 4D will require some kind of exponential increase in how much "time" is available, it's one of those "infinity times bigger than infinity" kind of things.
Bravo, brilliant explanation crkhd.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
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i always see these colorful swirly things kind of inside blobs or in the corner of "things" like the corner of a cd case on larger doses of shrooms. closed and open eyes. they are cool especially when im not trippin too hard to really check em out!!! man, what brainstem and crkhd said is deep!
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13005656 - 08/05/10 05:27 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Last time I tripped I got sent to "eternity". I got the sensation that "I" has done this an infinite number of times already but now is just looking back through I's writings to make sense of it all. There is a powerful veil to prevent us from realising this because it would take all fun out of the game. Our reality is itself a sliver in the sands of time but time itself is a mere sliver in the sands of I, the place of complete paradoxes, nothingness, everythingness, and more, the answer to all the questions in this space of void is quoted verbatim: Shut the fuck up and " ".
We are a mere point in the clockwork of time, the tip of a leaf of an immortal redwood tree. I think the law of one (ra material, google, very good read) points this out succintly; they claim that we are experiencing 3D X 3*D (spacetime) then when we complete our evolution, we switch over into 3*D X 3D (timespace), and will be able to move seamlessly through. We generate a copy of information tested against time (a spacetime) and then we must take this copy of information and give it the test of space. Once we do that I presume time is no longer an object. Ra claims to be 6D.
DMT shows me a very interesting reality, the endpoint of our evolution. Everything is glassy in a way and it is perfected perfection (to contrast, we are in mere perfection, I know, sad). There is pure stillness and peace because it is the only way to achieve "the most beautiful of the beautiful". By pure stillness, I mean say a human body exists in this space, you will not be able to stab it unless the body consents to your stabbing of it - that's also what I mean by the glassyness. Human faces take on a quality representative of the end of evolution - no such thing as disease, food deficiency or the like so that they can shine in their most angelic beauty.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
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crkhd said: Last time I tripped I got sent to "eternity". I got the sensation that "I" has done this an infinite number of times already but now is just looking back through I's writings to make sense of it all. There is a powerful veil to prevent us from realising this because it would take all fun out of the game. Our reality is itself a sliver in the sands of time but time itself is a mere sliver in the sands of I, the place of complete paradoxes, nothingness, everythingness, and more, the answer to all the questions in this space of void is quoted verbatim: Shut the fuck up and " ".
Yeah I have been there many times now. Really is a head trip to think about. It's like I have seen the Aleph. The Aleph is a point in space that contains all other points. Anyone who gazes into it can see everything in the universe from every angle simultaneously, without distortion, overlapping or confusion.
After a very heavy DMT experiment where I let myself completely go, I was sucked in to a mirror like sphere that I could see all directions, like the intersection of everything, all of history, all existence. In a single moment I knew everything, then I was sucked back out into this delusion we live in. So I tried to look it up while I could remember some things and i came up with The Aleph.
I think maybe we do know more than we think, like we a patched into a data network of everything, but our brain regulates what we need to know. Psychedelics may hinder that regulation.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Mr Fantasy]
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i felt like that on my last mush trip!! the whole thought of our existence was a joke which made me feel like laughing crying dieing and making a life all a once! lol, had crazy visions of 2 sperm like entities with crazy see through bodies with double helix's inside filled with color and electricity flying into the sky from a cracked earth where the ground was illuminated but the sky and atmosphere was pitch black (to me this was home or where i was born)! the two "lifeforces" which i identified them as inter-twined and another one broke off then they all seperated!! to me at the time this felt like the meaning of life! keep that dna going. very insignificant but so important at the same time it felt! really did my head in that day! sorry prob nothing to do with this tread but reading these posts made me think of that!! yes i agree mrfantasy we do have alot of answers inside our brains and half the fun in life is trying to unlock them! cheers for the thought provoking posts dudes!
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13008650 - 08/05/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Always when I take LSD or shrooms I see empty space filled with an indescribably beautiful, 3-D "plaid" made of colours that don't exist in nature that I can move through and affect with my movements. The brightness, colour intensity, and opacity seem to depend upon the dose. I have often wondered if this is simply a psysiological reaction in my eyes and brain or something more.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Scarab74]
#13008897 - 08/05/10 07:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I defnitely saw in 4d yesterday, a saw a whole geometry-esque energy world that was in everything and everyone
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: justaguy]
#13009715 - 08/05/10 10:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool as justaguy
Tell me more about it, if you don't mind.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13009732 - 08/05/10 10:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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This was after 3 hits of some potent LSD and about 5 bowls of weed. The weed catalyzed my vision into a spiraling mess. Everywhere I looked my whole vision would spin out of control and whatever I was focusing on would become 3D and start dancing in this weird spiral way and it was amazing and unreal. I started to get sick to my stomach because I would get so lost in my hallucinations. It looks liked everything was falling apart in front of me. It all looked so real. My vision was not stable but I learned how to control it, it was so awesome. If you look at my avatar, the background that's moving, that's what my vision had come to. I kid you not
And when I would try to space out everything had a living energy inside it. It reminded me exactly of an Alex Grey painting this one:
 it looked exactly like that. That spiraling vision lasted for 4-5 hours.
edit: Also my vision was affected badly as what seemed like frame rate lagging vision, or a strobe effect. I couldn't control my vision at all which led to somewhat of an ego death.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: justaguy]
#13009879 - 08/05/10 10:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow
The only part of my apparent 4D experience that i didn't include was the end of it. Here, it just got so intense (i could see more hypercones and everything was in such unimaginably high quality) that i instincitivley backed out of it and it was gone and didn't come back. I was really mentally drained by this point. Getting really baked before tripping would have deffinatly contributed to feeling so tired.
Next trip, i'm not going to get really baked before and instead i'll drink N. rustica tea.
My friend says, from his experiences, his trips are much "clearer" if he didn't get baked before. All 13 of my trips i've smoked before. So i'm looking forward to drinking N. rustica tea before tripping instead of smoking.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
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the 4th dimension is time.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
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starcade said: I've always heard that the fourth dimension is time.
Well it is according to Einstein, but apparently that's "no longer used in modern physics."
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13011080 - 08/06/10 07:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's quite strange really, the third dimension can exist happily on it's own, but if you want to observe it in anyway you need the fourth dimension as a datum, and you cant observe the fourth dimension completely without somehow observing it from the fifth dimension. This is why I think the visions seen under the influence of some psychedelics are more related to quantum observation/probability factors than to extra dimensional perception, sort of like a premonition, but not future possibilities, but concentration of the most likely observable present.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13528711 - 11/23/10 09:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes, people refer to time as the fourth dimension. Its just semantics, OP refers to a fourth SPATIAL dimension, and I can completely relate to this. =)
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: caradoc]
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I've been told I am demented time and time again, I'm way past the 4th demention.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: LanLord]
#13529231 - 11/23/10 11:29 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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how many dementions are them, now that ya mention it?
or can we talk about de-mentioning them, once said, can the dementions be unsaid?
unless you're talking about di-mentions di-mentions, or tri-mentions tri-mentions tri-mentions....
so demented. such a dimmense thought.
or am I just dim?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Fowley]
#13529988 - 11/23/10 01:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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And FYI, the fourth dimension is time.
Well not exactly Carl sagan explains the 4th dimension:
I don't like posting wikipedia but this page is quite easy and comprehensive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension
not to be a dick, but your own link to wikipedia shows a dissambiguation. the 4th dimension can refer to spacetime (space as a 4th dimension) and the hypothetical dimension arrived at by extrapolating from the differences between one two and three dimensional objects.
so ya, time is the 4th dimension
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: caradoc]
#13530117 - 11/23/10 02:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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caradoc said: how many dementions are them, now that ya mention it?
or can we talk about de-mentioning them, once said, can the dementions be unsaid?
unless you're talking about di-mentions di-mentions, or tri-mentions tri-mentions tri-mentions....
so demented. such a dimmense thought.
or am I just dim?
Trimentions FTW!!
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
#13530321 - 11/23/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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thecoalman said: Did you just insult John Cleese? You can go now.
Hahahaha... I can't stop laughing now 
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Tetragammatron]
#13530469 - 11/23/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow this thread was dead for ages and now people are posting again
I recently remembered a Terence McKenna video where he says not long into the video that he thinks psychedelics let people see other dimensions.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13530880 - 11/23/10 04:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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This stuff is interesting and crazy!
I had a friend who got too high and broke down saying she was seeing everything in two dimensions.
I can kind of understand that, but not really. When I'm high I sometimes see in super three dimensions. My perception of depth, shape, volume, color, and all that is hightened. This is a beautiful sight, but can also lead to dissociation or slight ego loss.
But I think you can also mistake it for two dimensions, since things seem so sharp. Or, she might really have been seeing in two dimensions.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
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Someone I met once told me about this time he partook in 10g dried liberty caps and spent 3 hours fighting for his soul/brain/personality etc. until the last hour when it all turned on top of its head and he sat in silence for for the rest of the evening where time stopped...allegedly, no music, conversation, IQ off the scale He said time stopped and he was "seated" with beings who were of the same mind/state i.e telepathy/mental awareness....This feeling has always stayed with the person as he described the mental awareness of the entities as ancient...
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Smiler]
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10g? Wow, and here was me getting ready to strap myelf in for 4g dried Libs.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Tetragammatron]
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i apologize for some of the critical posts here, you would need consultation with a real shaman or an enlightened person, otherwise they will say the fourth dimension is pinocchio and poke fun , who has the audacity to say it is "time" that is within a belief system , in other belief systems based upon being high it is something different, and etc.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: leery11]
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: JohnP]
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