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Brainstem
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Fowley]
#12989334 - 08/02/10 05:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is this what you mean ?
-------------------- The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12994866 - 08/03/10 08:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol, its not possible for our brains to make errors and us be consciously aware of them?
To me the 4th or w/e is just like limbo, fleeting reminders, or hints at the world without our senses, is nothing..
Even our own minds are nothing but reminders of ourselves..
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13000223 - 08/04/10 05:31 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brainstem said: Is this what you mean ?

Yer. I only saw hypercones though. And they where really smooth-looking and comected by a really smooth/calm sea-like area.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13001538 - 08/04/10 01:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been thinking about this one a bit, and in Quantum physics as we observe, we see the thing we most expect to see one possibility, the most probable. Under the influence of DMT it might be that what we see is a bandwidth of the most probable reality. In another post on here about DMT entities I wrote of my experience on DMT, and to cut a long story short, I saw my curtains moving as if blown by the wind and they seemed to be made of much finer material than they actually are.
It may be a stretch, but imagine seeing all of the positions the curtains could be in, animated as if going through the movement. When the Dmt wore off the curtains returned to the same thick, none moving curtains from before.
-------------------- The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13002149 - 08/04/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol that is interesting.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#13002347 - 08/04/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice one.
I'm looking forward to my first DMT breakthrough. Won't be long now
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13002367 - 08/04/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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This wasn't a break through, it was my first time ever and I had enough for the three hits but lost my nerve a little after two ( I'll be braver next time). Still had a subtle intensity to it
yes, subtle intensity
-------------------- The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimension while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13002421 - 08/04/10 04:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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O ok.
I asked my friend what a "DMT breakthrough" is and he just said I'll know when I experience it.
I've only ever had one cone of DMT and it wasn't as enough.
When I finish my extraction I'll be able to have more.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
#13002620 - 08/04/10 04:52 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've always heard that the fourth dimension is time.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: starcade]
#13002752 - 08/04/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, dont push yourself.
IMO its not really about, oh man bad ass i just ate *** hits/grams...
That wont really teach you much in my experience, except how to enjoy the doses im talking about, lol...
Its about teh fun man, thats it..
Wherever your fun comes from, idk. But dont think ur dose size matters, cause ive eaten a shitload and i still like half hits or little nibbles, even though some ppl think thats lame, they are usually lame, lol...
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: starcade]
#13002797 - 08/04/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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starcade said: I've always heard that the fourth dimension is time.
Well it is according to Einstein, but apparently that's "no longer used in modern physics."
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13003193 - 08/04/10 06:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brainstem said: Is this what you mean ?

I see the regular polytope all over when I trip on shrooms but a bunch all over, all connected and even more complex. like crystal spiderwebs.
With DMT I see them at the beginning but then entities start to build out of air almost like my vision clears up and I can see them all around me like they are really there all the time but my normal vision blocks them. Open eye I see a lot of fairies like entities and serpents slithering all around. I also see a lot of little short stumpy like beings almost like Mayan statues. Some of the most amazing things I have ever seen.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: mattritt]
#13005632 - 08/05/10 05:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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mattritt said: Time is the way in which we EXPERIENCE the fourth dimension. We only experience a small sliver of the fourth dimension at once, that is the present moment. We move through all 11 dimensions all the time, we are just for the most part unaware.
This is correct, time is how we experience 4D although I don't know about 11D. We are living in a 4D reality but we move sort of "point by point" on this axis, it's as if you're continuously counting up the real numbers as time flows (different people count at different rates as per relativity). The rate of moving point to point is the speed of information itself, which is identical to the speed of light in vacuum.
The thing is, 1D contains an infinite set of 0D points, 2D contains 1D x 1D, 3D contains 1D X 1D X 1D. 4D thus contains an infinite set of 3D spaces, and time is the means by which our consciousness can make sense of this - by taking it a single moment at a time. It takes all the energy in the universe to process this single moment of infinite variation in the 3 axes; of course energy is merely an invention of consciousness to keep track so the next stage exists just as effortlessly as this.
It's like flicking through a book, only that there is such a thing as "page 365.172". On the planck scale we expect discrete "page numbers", a planck time being on the order of 10^-43s - continuity of time is somewhat illusory, it's just veiled very well by the physics of scales.
To see 5D (or as you call it, 4D) would perhaps be impossible because you would need all the information content of this universe at your disposal, only then could you move on. Perhaps tripping does allow this via god-consciousness, the human body is a minute speck relative to the grand I which is processing and filtering everything at once in real time.
The sheer complexity of a 3D universe is off the hook, it will take quite some time (hehe) for consciousness to process it. If we assume 1 "dimension" of time as a constant then 4D will require some kind of exponential increase in how much "time" is available, it's one of those "infinity times bigger than infinity" kind of things.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
#13005639 - 08/05/10 05:12 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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crkhd said:
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mattritt said: Time is the way in which we EXPERIENCE the fourth dimension. We only experience a small sliver of the fourth dimension at once, that is the present moment. We move through all 11 dimensions all the time, we are just for the most part unaware.
This is correct, time is how we experience 4D although I don't know about 11D. We are living in a 4D reality but we move sort of "point by point" on this axis, it's as if you're continuously counting up the real numbers as time flows (different people count at different rates as per relativity). The rate of moving point to point is the speed of information itself, which is identical to the speed of light in vacuum.
The thing is, 1D contains an infinite set of 0D points, 2D contains an infinite set of 1D lines, 3D contains an infinite set of 2D planes. 4D thus contains an infinite set of 3D spaces, and time is the means by which our consciousness can make sense of this - by taking it a single moment at a time. It takes all the energy in the universe to process this single moment of infinite variation in the 3 axes; of course energy is merely an invention of consciousness to keep track so the next stage will exist (if it ever does) just as effortlessly as this.
It's like flicking through a book, only that there is such a thing as "page 365.172". On the planck scale we expect discrete "page numbers", a planck time being on the order of 10^-43s - continuity of time is somewhat illusory, it's just veiled very well by the physics of scales.
To see 5D (or as you call it, 4D) would perhaps be impossible because you would need all the information content of this universe at your disposal, only then could you move on. Perhaps tripping does allow this via god-consciousness, the human body is a minute speck relative to the grand I which is processing and filtering everything at once in real time.
The sheer complexity of a 3D universe is off the hook, it will take quite some time (hehe) for consciousness to process it. If we assume 1 "dimension" of time as a constant then 4D will require some kind of exponential increase in how much "time" is available, it's one of those "infinity times bigger than infinity" kind of things.
Bravo, brilliant explanation crkhd.
-------------------- The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
#13005643 - 08/05/10 05:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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i always see these colorful swirly things kind of inside blobs or in the corner of "things" like the corner of a cd case on larger doses of shrooms. closed and open eyes. they are cool especially when im not trippin too hard to really check em out!!! man, what brainstem and crkhd said is deep!
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#13005656 - 08/05/10 05:27 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Last time I tripped I got sent to "eternity". I got the sensation that "I" has done this an infinite number of times already but now is just looking back through I's writings to make sense of it all. There is a powerful veil to prevent us from realising this because it would take all fun out of the game. Our reality is itself a sliver in the sands of time but time itself is a mere sliver in the sands of I, the place of complete paradoxes, nothingness, everythingness, and more, the answer to all the questions in this space of void is quoted verbatim: Shut the fuck up and " ".
We are a mere point in the clockwork of time, the tip of a leaf of an immortal redwood tree. I think the law of one (ra material, google, very good read) points this out succintly; they claim that we are experiencing 3D X 3*D (spacetime) then when we complete our evolution, we switch over into 3*D X 3D (timespace), and will be able to move seamlessly through. We generate a copy of information tested against time (a spacetime) and then we must take this copy of information and give it the test of space. Once we do that I presume time is no longer an object. Ra claims to be 6D.
DMT shows me a very interesting reality, the endpoint of our evolution. Everything is glassy in a way and it is perfected perfection (to contrast, we are in mere perfection, I know, sad). There is pure stillness and peace because it is the only way to achieve "the most beautiful of the beautiful". By pure stillness, I mean say a human body exists in this space, you will not be able to stab it unless the body consents to your stabbing of it - that's also what I mean by the glassyness. Human faces take on a quality representative of the end of evolution - no such thing as disease, food deficiency or the like so that they can shine in their most angelic beauty.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
#13005713 - 08/05/10 06:08 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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whoa!
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: crkhd]
#13005925 - 08/05/10 07:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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crkhd said: Last time I tripped I got sent to "eternity". I got the sensation that "I" has done this an infinite number of times already but now is just looking back through I's writings to make sense of it all. There is a powerful veil to prevent us from realising this because it would take all fun out of the game. Our reality is itself a sliver in the sands of time but time itself is a mere sliver in the sands of I, the place of complete paradoxes, nothingness, everythingness, and more, the answer to all the questions in this space of void is quoted verbatim: Shut the fuck up and " ".
Yeah I have been there many times now. Really is a head trip to think about. It's like I have seen the Aleph. The Aleph is a point in space that contains all other points. Anyone who gazes into it can see everything in the universe from every angle simultaneously, without distortion, overlapping or confusion.
After a very heavy DMT experiment where I let myself completely go, I was sucked in to a mirror like sphere that I could see all directions, like the intersection of everything, all of history, all existence. In a single moment I knew everything, then I was sucked back out into this delusion we live in. So I tried to look it up while I could remember some things and i came up with The Aleph.
I think maybe we do know more than we think, like we a patched into a data network of everything, but our brain regulates what we need to know. Psychedelics may hinder that regulation.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Mr Fantasy]
#13008470 - 08/05/10 05:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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i felt like that on my last mush trip!! the whole thought of our existence was a joke which made me feel like laughing crying dieing and making a life all a once! lol, had crazy visions of 2 sperm like entities with crazy see through bodies with double helix's inside filled with color and electricity flying into the sky from a cracked earth where the ground was illuminated but the sky and atmosphere was pitch black (to me this was home or where i was born)! the two "lifeforces" which i identified them as inter-twined and another one broke off then they all seperated!! to me at the time this felt like the meaning of life! keep that dna going. very insignificant but so important at the same time it felt! really did my head in that day! sorry prob nothing to do with this tread but reading these posts made me think of that!! yes i agree mrfantasy we do have alot of answers inside our brains and half the fun in life is trying to unlock them! cheers for the thought provoking posts dudes!
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#13008650 - 08/05/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Always when I take LSD or shrooms I see empty space filled with an indescribably beautiful, 3-D "plaid" made of colours that don't exist in nature that I can move through and affect with my movements. The brightness, colour intensity, and opacity seem to depend upon the dose. I have often wondered if this is simply a psysiological reaction in my eyes and brain or something more.
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