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tha_doctor
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Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa
#12979926 - 07/31/10 04:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a really eventful trip which i havce described here in my trip report.
My favourite part of the trip was at the end. Here, i was looking at a white wall and, the wall became very alive (not alive as in moving but birght) and i could see on it curved cone shapes which appeared to be what i can only seeded to be a forth dimention.
I'm pretty sure i remember Terence McKenna saying in one of his lectures something about possibly seeing a forth dimention while tripping. This continused for some time.
These cones and the wall being so alive didn't seem like your average visuals. I only get very mild visuals anyway, if any. Even on high doeses.
Has anyone else think they have seen something which can almost only be described as a forth dimention?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12979989 - 07/31/10 05:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you just insult John Cleese? You can go now.
And FYI, the fourth dimension is time.
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tha_doctor
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
#12980000 - 07/31/10 05:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who's John Cheese?
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thecoalman said: And FYI, the fourth dimension is time.
Hmm ok. I'v never heard this before. I saw a documentary on SBS a a few months ago called something like "What is Time?" or "What Time is it?" and this didn't call time i forth dimention.
I'm open to all ideas.
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tha_doctor
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12980004 - 07/31/10 05:17 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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O rite, John Cleese. Not John Cheese
Na, i didn't insult him. Being an up-tight person is the character of Mr Fawtly and he plays that role exceptionally. All i meant was watching such Mr Fawlty's paranoia and judgementalness made me undomfortable after a while. I have nothing against John Cleese.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: thecoalman]
#12980056 - 07/31/10 05:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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thecoalman said:
And FYI, the fourth dimension is time.
Well not exactly Carl sagan explains the 4th dimension:
I don't like posting wikipedia but this page is quite easy and comprehensive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12980361 - 07/31/10 09:04 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think that shrooms will show you 4th dimension?? LOL. It's just an illusion, buddy.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: nari]
#12980398 - 07/31/10 09:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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So if aliens made me super small and put me in the body of another human say, magic school bus style then that would be a 4th dimension..
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tha_doctor
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Molester]
#12982375 - 07/31/10 07:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It doesn't seem toooo unrealistic an idea that it should never be discussed, i recon. I remember reading an experiemnt done in the 60's where people were given a low dose of psilocybin and they were meant to trace lines or something like that. The experiment concluded that psilocybin, at least in low doses, makes people see things more clearly.
The apparent 4D i could see was nothing like i've experienced before. As i said earlier, i don't get major visuals while tripping.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12982478 - 07/31/10 07:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You probably already know time is effected by velocity and gravity, but did you know it is also supposed to be effected by the flow of electricity ? I totally forget where I read this, but electrons are supposed to flow towards areas where time is slowest. Might have got that a little backwards but there is definetly supposed to be a relationship beteen the two.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12982622 - 07/31/10 08:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is a relevant video;
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12982655 - 07/31/10 08:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually it is not so far fetched saying that other dimensions can be seen but not "touched" while under psychedelics. Our body's are literally stuck in the third dimension but I believe our consciousness can delve into deeper dimensions, after all everything you see, feel, and touch is interpreted as signals in your brain. Start connecting and opening up your neuropathways with psychedelics and you can visit other dimensions with your consciousness alone. DMT entities and Near Death Experiences entities are theorized by some as other dimensional beings.
For instance if you see a person or a tree, they are only signals in your brain, stimuli. So is it wrong to think that visions, geometrical patterning, and Entities are unreal? or just out of this world and dimension entirely.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Smawrpg]
#12982688 - 07/31/10 08:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is worth considering that the part of us that is rooted in that other dimension interacts and controls our third dimensional self by regulating and initiating electro-chemical signals in the brain. These signals are measured on an ionic level, Is there such a thing as ionic plasma? E=mc2 matter can become energy and energy can become matter, all is electromagnetic energy of some form.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12982968 - 07/31/10 09:52 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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A 4 dimensional being can see every single side of a 3rd dimensional object all at once.
This is what i could see; every side of hypercones which where all connected by a flatter area. They were so incredibly clear too. Many times clearer and brighter than psychedelics usually make things.
I'm pretty sure that the hypercones i could see were also moving slowly.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12983087 - 07/31/10 10:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a strange vision once, not so long ago. I had been smoking cannabis, both resin and herbal mixed with tobacco. I went for a lay down and as I relaxed started seeing hypnogogic images. I was seeing myself and started to focus on my eyes being my main window into this world. I imagined myself being external from the world and as I was doing this the world sort of became inverted, by this I mean spatial reality completely reversed. My body seemed like a deflated ballon but the eyeholes remained allowing me see from the external world where I really existed. It was a weird way of percieving things
-------------------- The arrogant cat stalks the humble mouse, the self important dog chases away the cat and is in turn unable to stand it's ground against the Proud lion. Then the lion is almost trampled underfoot of the enlightened elephant, who surprisingly and paradoxically yields to the humble mouse.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Brainstem]
#12983808 - 08/01/10 01:40 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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As was mentioned above, time is widely regarded as the fourth dimension. So maybe you think you saw a fifth dimension?
I could be wrong but I don't believe what you saw was actually another dimension. A cone is a three dimensional object. A further dimension means you would require another coordinate to define the object. For example, in our world everything can be defined using longitude, latitude, volume and time. I believe your object could be defined within those parameters.
I'm not discounting the thought that psychedelics could provide the path to higher dimensions; I just think what you saw was some crazy, surreal shit rather than another dimension. Still, that sounds like an amazing experience.
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tha_doctor
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: Sun Lips]
#12983946 - 08/01/10 02:43 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok.
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Sun Lips said: A cone is a three dimensional object.
By the way, i could see all sides of the hypercons. Sorry for calling them 'cones' at the start. I only found out they were called 'hypercones' not long ago.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: tha_doctor]
#12984855 - 08/01/10 11:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Time is the way in which we EXPERIENCE the fourth dimension. We only experience a small sliver of the fourth dimension at once, that is the present moment. We move through all 11 dimensions all the time, we are just for the most part unaware.
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: mattritt]
#12985202 - 08/01/10 01:31 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think those dimensions are like that. There surely is something that our eyes can't see, but 1d, 2d and other dimension idea does not make sense. In the theory there is said that first there's 1d then 2d and 3d is what we see. It is said that 4d beings 'space' is made out of infinite 3d spaces, so they see all 3d world from 4d space that we can't see, but they can see and be in our space. Our space actually makes up part of their space, where they exist. So in a sense 3d space is made out of 1d and 2d, how come we can't see those lower spaces and entities that are surrounded by it?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: HeartAndMind]
#12989108 - 08/02/10 03:40 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once my 'x?' gf fave me a few ativan, knowing what Id do with them... I ate a bunch of woodlovers, I dont even know how many..
But it was nice to have a low tolerance and a few ativan n a bunch of mush....
She knew we were in for a ride, so she lovingly got out some chill aqua blue and green type quilts or blankets and layed them all over my floor, it took a couple or few... It reminded me of a padded psych room, lol...
I remember after I started tripping pretty good, I? just layed there, and she just layed there with me, just loving me...
When I decided I wanted to sit up, I was awestruck, there was amazing things everywhere, I was taken aback, kinda breathless, awestruck I guess, and Im pretty damn experienced...
Once it was all on, she was just chiiling drawing and coloring like she likes to do the most I think... There for me as soon, and whenever, like if nothing but hella more caring and sensitive and gentle... Beautilful...
I was just tihnking I guess, doin the same as always just way high.. At one point I looked at my hands, it seemed like there was something on them. I thought it was a spider web. I proceeded to whisk it off, but it was really sticky. I realized I was just trippin, but I just decided to go with it, play with it I guess. But in all seriousness in a way, I was impressed I guess. I kept trying to get it off, and then just started moving my hand and fingers in a way that was really damn fluid.. I just kept doing that and at this point it was to me to see how fast i guess, i could make it look like i was trying to get something off of my hand.
with my hand, lol... So I kept it up, and then that shit started actually coming off of my hand, after it had disapeared. I was like unwinding it from my hand or wrist with the same hand, and my hand was like right in front of my face i think. It must have looked weird.
We talked about it once after that and I believe my gf said it looked the same to her as well.
For some reason electro plasm came to our minds.
It was odd, but i really got into gettin the shit off my hands, so much so, that how the hell are you supposed to see a web on someones hand? And how long are you willing to watch them?
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Re: Possibly seeing the forth dimention while tripping on 15g of dried Psilocybe Subaeruginosa [Re: HeartAndMind]
#12989324 - 08/02/10 05:41 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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HeartAndMind said: first there's 1d then 2d and 3d is what we see. It is said that 4d beings 'space' is made out of infinite 3d spaces, so they see all 3d world from 4d
space that we can't see, but they can see and be in our space. Our space actually makes up part of their space, where they exist.
So in a sense 3d space is made out of 1d and 2d, how come we can't see those lower spaces and entities that are surrounded by it?
Pretty much, we can try to imagine how it (the fourth dimension) would look but our minds are built around living in 3 dimensions so we can never really know. We can perfectly visualize in our minds the first and second dimension. Diagram of our 3 dimensions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension#Spatial_dimensions
I think you seem to be thinking of living entities in this other "dimension" just because this other dimension would be there doesn't mean that some 1d 2d or 4d creature/living thing would inhabit it. The fourth dimension a mostly mathematical plane of thought. Most of the time we refer to someone observing a dimension or from another dimension to ease the thought of how it would look like.
The best analogy is in my opinion the shadow analogy: the shadow of a two dimensional object would cast a one dimensional object, the shadow of a 3d object is a 2d object and thus the shadow of a 4d object would be a 3D shadow.
Trying to think of this fourth dimension is extremely interesting and great "mind exercise" There's a load of speculation and research around this, watch the carl sagan video, read the easy to understand wiki article, do some research on peer reviewed science sites, and be wary of a lot of pseudoscience/religion/new-age bullshit that ofcourse always surrounds these hard to understand concepts
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