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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: AngryPhil]
    #12981906 - 07/31/10 05:25 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Celtic magic isn't necessarily bullshit, but Wicca is an initiatory system meaning you really can't just pick it up yourself.


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: g00ru]
    #12983346 - 07/31/10 11:29 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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Celtic magic isn't necessarily bullshit, but Wicca is an initiatory system meaning you really can't just pick it up yourself.



Thats pretty much true of all religions though. Islam would really be the only exception I can think of....maybe certain evangelical christian sects too, though I tend to discount them in any real talk about Christianity.


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12983352 - 07/31/10 11:31 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Are you talking about the religion or the people playing dress up?


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: teknix]
    #12983362 - 07/31/10 11:32 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

I'm talking about sandcastles and chocolate bananas. What are you talking about?


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12983377 - 07/31/10 11:37 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: teknix]
    #12983381 - 07/31/10 11:38 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12983386 - 07/31/10 11:39 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

My gf is wiccan.
And shes pretty hot. Not fat and angry


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: Divinity]
    #12983403 - 07/31/10 11:45 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Does she dress up like a witch? Or is it more of an intimate thing?

I don't like it when people try to look like they are playing a part of a stereotype. If you have to ask yourself if so and so would wear this you're about doomed.


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: Divinity]
    #12983423 - 07/31/10 11:49 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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My gf is wiccan.
And shes pretty hot. Not fat and angry



I'm not buying it.:sherlock:


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12983433 - 07/31/10 11:51 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Fat and Angry was pretty uncalled for.:lol:


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: teknix]
    #12984025 - 08/01/10 03:37 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Typical wiccan right here.



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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: Crumpet]
    #12984674 - 08/01/10 10:34 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Inverted symbols are negative statements, whether it's a pentagram, a cross or a gang sign.
Pentagrams represent the 5 Elements: Earth, Water, Air, Fire and Aether/Spirit. It represents the human figure - the Microcosm.

http://www.important.ca/pentagram_meaning.html


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: g00ru]
    #12985387 - 08/01/10 02:19 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)
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Celtic magic isn't necessarily bullshit, but Wicca is an initiatory system meaning you really can't just pick it up yourself.




IMO, a lot of the people who really get it aren't part of the organized schools or have undergone a formal initiation. Just all seems like a charade to me, but this may just be my despise for institutions talking.

I know a little about Wicca, but I was never interested in it enough... the Eastern traditions just seem like they are so much more to the point... wherever that is.


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: lines]
    #12985438 - 08/01/10 02:27 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

I was into Wicca for a while when I was in High School.  I still have some of the books from that phase in my life.  I think the whole Earth-based spirituality stuff is interesting, but I find it has none of the transcendent, mystical aspects that I like in a religion.  A think a more sophisticated spirituality has to have both an immanent and transcendent aspect, and I think Wicca focuses too much on the immanent in the same way that Gnosticism focuses too much on the transcendent.


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: Silversoul]
    #12985489 - 08/01/10 02:36 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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I was into Wicca for a while when I was in High School.  I still have some of the books from that phase in my life.  I think the whole Earth-based spirituality stuff is interesting, but I find it has none of the transcendent, mystical aspects that I like in a religion.  A think a more sophisticated spirituality has to have both an immanent and transcendent aspect, and I think Wicca focuses too much on the immanent in the same way that Gnosticism focuses too much on the transcendent.




The most balanced ones that focus on both life here, and transcendent life, seem to be Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Satanism/Chaos Magick.

I chose Taoism, with a little bit of buddhism, and a dash of hinduism, enjoyed with the sacrament (not beliefs) of Rastafarianism :jah:


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: Silversoul]
    #12987725 - 08/01/10 10:01 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

I was into Wicca for a while when I was in High School.  I still have some of the books from that phase in my life.  I think the whole Earth-based spirituality stuff is interesting, but I find it has none of the transcendent, mystical aspects that I like in a religion.  A think a more sophisticated spirituality has to have both an immanent and transcendent aspect, and I think Wicca focuses too much on the immanent in the same way that Gnosticism focuses too much on the transcendent.

I'm on the same page with you, but very recently, I've come into this attraction to gather old and new materials, to construct a box (like the one I made for a former professor when I abandoned magick and gave away my Instruments) for NEW magickal tools: Wand, Athame, Cup, Pentacle. It seems that, whether 'I' want to or not, last year's interest in Spagyrics heralded a focus on the Astral Triangle. Vestigal magickal interests followed, at the same time as my Lady began to re-up an old interest in Astrology. I thought I was buying a Rider-Waite Tarot deck through a clearance house for her, but it turned out to be a strange 'Essential Tarot.'

Today was Lammas. Tomorrow, some Pagans who gather at a Unitarian-Universalist Church are offering Tarot lessons. Perhaps, as you perceive, a 'regression to the mean' is being enacted to counter the transcendental aspect of my spiritual life that has so utterly removed me from regular human activities, that I no longer have any friends in real time. I am not a family man, I have a <zero interest in sports, don't belong to a 'church,' a bridge club, a country club, or any social organization. For $2, we might visit this group tomorrow, but again, I'm not sure. I've been to the mountain top, and I am fairly sure that these Pagans have not left, or want to leave, the Astral Triangle of experience on the Qabalistic Tree.

I still live and work in society, but my interests are not Malkuthian. They begin at Yesod, the 'Foundation' of other-worldly existence. We are friendly with only one married couple and he is entirely earthbound, as is she, but she once proclaimed on Ecstasy that she was "shallow." It is sad that they cling to us, but equally sad that we have no friends because we both need to be on the same page with people whom we consider our friends. We do not feel connected merely by Malkuthian standards. I don't want to communicate on the banalities of everyday existence - driveway pavers, what your high school age daughter wants to take in the college she hasn't gotten into yet, etc., etc., etc.

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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #12988494 - 08/02/10 12:15 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

The soul will always want to go further

Thats my opinion on Wicca, all forms of magic, gnosticism,  the soul will never find lasting satisfaction with any of these. The day you die you'll still think you hadn't gone far enough.


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: Simulacra541]
    #12989960 - 08/02/10 10:45 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

If we are all the spheres and pathways symbolized on the Tree of Life, it is the higher spheres and the higher 'soul' which realizes those spheres that you are referring to. The  Knowledge of and Conversation With One's Holy Guardian Angel means Realization of one's identity at the Ethical Triangle, in Tiphereth. It is the Sacred Heart, the Heart Cave. It is the first 'place' (Ru'ah) where consciousness transcends the earthbound senses and personality (Nefesh) which has been mistaken for the true self. Neshamah identifies with the Supernal Triangle in this scheme.
Similarly, in the Hindu chakra model, the 'exit' of consciousness through the Brahmarandra - the fontanel of the skull is important, lest consciousness exit through the anal or genital orifices, which corresponds to Malkuth and Yesod respectively in the Qabalistic model. These 'exits' (identifications) may lead to gilgul (transmigration), or perhaps to sheol, the realm of shadows. Psychologically, one needs first to leave the pre-personal realms, attain to the truly personal realm of spirit, and then rise in the planes to the transpersonal realm (which is why I hope to drop acid while on my death bed) :grin:

The Nature of the soul in the Zohar:
The soul has three different parts that form a sequence from higher to lower:

The Nefesh: first element found in every man; source of animal vitality and psychosomatic function. All have it.
The Ru'ah aroused when a person is able to rise above the demands of the body.
The Neshamah is the most important. It is aroused in a person when she occupies herself with Torah and its commandments, and it opens up the higher powers of apprehension, in particular the ability to apprehend God and the secrets of creation. Along with Ru'ah, this part of the soul is acquired by the person that has awakened spiritually and made a special effort to develop intellectual powers.


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #12991696 - 08/02/10 04:30 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

having a divine mother as well as divine father does seem more ummm cosmically balanced somehow...
(some folks see the whole virin mary cultus (cf cult of fatima in islam) as an attempt to "bring back our goddess!")

& the 4 (or five) elements & the 4 (or six) directions seems almost intuitive...

(& well, jubal harshaw says that gods make their own rules... heinlein)
("& ye shall be as gods" ... the bible)
("if we're going to be gods, we might as well be good at it" ... stewart brand)

so how many gods do you want? hehheh...
zero, one, two, three, a family, a pantheon? & does the model require an "opposition" (loyal or implacable, as the case may be...)
somehow it all gets so complicated sometimes...


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Re: Opinions On Wicca? [Re: gnrm23]
    #12991808 - 08/02/10 04:53 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

Probably why my Lady has been reading a couple books on the Tao Te Ching at the same time that she's re-reading astrology, and looking at Tarot for the first time. Simplicity and complexity. Meanwhile, we're going to a Unitarian church tonight because someone who calls himself Aleph the Seeker is giving Tarot lessons with the Rider-Waite deck. My Lady got ahold of something (my error in ordering from a clearance house) called 'The Essential Tarot' which is unique, but the symbols are not as clear as the Waite, which is the most common (and the one I picked up in '72 for the first time). The I Ching is a more simple process, but appeals to a different aspect of my psyche. I guess I can't help but be constitutionally complex. Meso-Ectomorphic Cerebrotonic. INTP. "King of Hearts." Enneagrammatic 5 with a 4 wing.
BTW, nice to see you're still here!


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