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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Druggie04]
#12994306 - 08/03/10 02:08 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Druggie04 said: yeah, if people scout/react right it doesnt work, but against a protoss opponent it is pretty easy to push into their base and they lose a HUGE amount of economy by having to rebuild. I also always stick 1 cannon in my own base so that reaper/ling harass doesnt rape me.
8 probe pylon 11 probe forge 12 proxy pylon then 2 cannons, first in their base and 2nd in mine. If I get the first cannon up, there is a 95% chance that protoss will lose his base.
Any thoughts on the ideal protoss counter for mmm? Collusi and zealots seem to work okay, but that leaves me weak to air harass. I usually have stalkers in the mix, but they get raped so hard by marauders. Are immortals good vs mmm? I never used them much. DTs/HTs are nice, but I often havnt teched that far by this point in the game and it would be them instead of collusi, and i just think the collusi are all around better. I love abusing cliffs.
Funny you should ask about mmm. A month ago this was my worst matchup (PvT) but now it's my best.
Build cyber core right away, so you can get a fast stalker to deal with reapers (no z, no forge until later). (marines aren't a threat). From there, EARLY pressure with 3 or 4 gate, chrono boosting warpage the whole time for a well timed proxy harrass. Observer should come soon after - usually the first attack wont push through, I'll have to back off but that causes them to overcompensate, which is a good time to expand, or push with immortal support if they have a lot of mauaders. YES immortals rape mauraders, especially with a few zs/centrys. Maybe you would be teching to them more.
but the KEY is that terran is immobile, and you gotta abuse that. Always have an observer around their units, when tanks unseige to move, that's when you hit em. Speedy zealots are awesome, and if they are staying with MM, I usually choose templar over collosus. If there is a backdoor, (Drestuctable rocks) USE IT, this is a great way to abuse terrans immobility.
So containment, early harrass while expanding and map control is where I've found the most success against mid-top diamond terran.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: marmarlun]
#12997101 - 08/03/10 04:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys make me feel like a noob when you talk.
I mean, obviously, I am a noob. It's just so funny. Gaming is like chess: I can beat all my friends, and 90% of the adults I play randomly throughout life. But my USCF is still only ~1500. Similarly, in Starcraft, I can pwn most people, but in the SC world, i'm nothingggg.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: memes]
#12997198 - 08/03/10 05:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah man, Starcraft has such a high skill ceiling, im high in diamond but I feel like shit when I watch my replays seeing all the errors I make.
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I think that's what I love about the game - the skillcap is so high and the game is so balanced that it makes for an infinite number of intense/awesome/fun games. I love how you can just keep improving - if you lose, you just watch the replay, think about how you lost, and that specific weakness in your game is gone; you won't lose to that particular thing anymore.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: marmarlun]
#12997355 - 08/03/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Solemente code: 945 is my info if anyone wants to add me to practice or w/e
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Solemente]
#12998422 - 08/03/10 08:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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but the thing you are forgetting druggie is it doenst waste alot of minerals to make a new base - your 2 cannons and one pylon is already $400, a new base is also $400, so by just making a new base their not really losing out on much except maybe the time lost mining if u kill thier nexus in the mean time.
pvt can be tough to start out, i usually start out with 4gate mass and see what they do and either get storm or colosus, in mid/late game i start getting everything in the mix like voids , imo , colosus, storm, so all my eggs arent in one basket. but terran is tough to play against the game can be a constant back n forward battle, and you have to be reaally careful not to waste your army because it can turn the tide of the game. its good to get blink on your stalkers, because usualy once you engage a terran your stuck in the battle because of his marauders concussion, so you can blink and run away, or else you have to suicide a few units into their army so you can get away.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#12998802 - 08/03/10 09:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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got a new router. 
hopefully now i wont drop so many games.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Tedwilto]
#12999699 - 08/04/10 01:31 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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well my zerging is getting slightly better. I find it so hard to control all the things you need to do as zerg. Protoss is easy to make your base and thigns. MY Zerg bases are always clttered as fuck and i suck at hotkeys.
someone give me some tips on using hotkeys effectively.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Tedwilto]
#12999889 - 08/04/10 02:26 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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1-4 army 5-7 building structures 8-0 nexuses
im guessing that doesnt apply for zerg, soo id say
1-4army 5-7queens at bases 8-0 hatcheries.
but then again if you have the hatchery on hotkey, you can just double tap 0 to bring u to the base and just click the queen manually. or you could double tap ur queen hotkeys and spawn eggs at each base, then have all ur hatcheries on hotkey as 0 and mass build all at once.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#13000169 - 08/04/10 05:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: 1-4 army 5-7 building structures 8-0 nexuses
im guessing that doesnt apply for zerg, soo id say
1-4army 5-7queens at bases 8-0 hatcheries.
This exactly what I use for my hotkeys.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Solemente]
#13000254 - 08/04/10 06:00 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I play zerg decently well, though im a protoss player primarily. My hotkeys for zerg are 1-army 2-scout(army later) 3-(army later) 4-Hatcheries 5-hatch1 6-hatch2 and so on, its probably a good idea to hotkey your front creep tomour too but I dont yet .
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I use some weird hotkeys - it works for me but I Really think I should have 1 as main units, but this is mine for now (I main toss):
unit producing structures as 1, nexus as 2-4, scout at 5, units 6 and above.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: marmarlun]
#13001451 - 08/04/10 01:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just placed into platinum league.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Solemente]
#13001834 - 08/04/10 02:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just started playing yesterday and this game is awesome. I never played the first game at all. I have just been doing the campaign and it is soo confusing figuring out what all the enemy units are for. So far I have only encountered the zerg.
I am becoming obsessed with this game and I am trying to learn as much as I can. Reading on the SC2 forums is almost like reading a different language half of the time. I guess it will just take some time to get familiar with the game. If there are any really new people that want to play some multiplayer games let me know. I think my name on SC2 is Leigor
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im stoked with my ranks at the moment, dOsiLe 584 on the SEA server, rank 1 diamond in 2v2, rank 2 diamond in 1v1.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#13002750 - 08/04/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im rank 100 with meams in our 2v2 division. Bronze league that it. represent.
My 1v1 im at a solid 9 wins 9 losses.
I probably shouldnt have skipped the practice games.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Solemente]
#13002834 - 08/04/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Solemente said: Just placed into platinum league. 
and getting my ass handed to me 
Think I belong in gold or maybe even silver
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Solemente]
#13002916 - 08/04/10 05:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like being in bronze. Its good for starting out and not playing people who just stomp the fuck outta me.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Tedwilto]
#13002926 - 08/04/10 05:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tedwilto said: I like being in bronze. Its good for starting out and not playing people who just stomp the fuck outta me.
Ya, on my placement games I won 4/5.
3 out of 5 of those people sucked, and the other one was pretty close to beating me, but I came back and won.
The guy that beat me on my placement game rolled over me no problem.
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Re: STARCRAFT 2 SHROOMERY TOURNAMENT [Re: Solemente]
#13002928 - 08/04/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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i went 0 for 5 in my placement games in 1v1. 
In my defense though i disconnected in 2 of the games.
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