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 DeadHearts
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 Prospect of a lasting existence 
#12942361 - 07/23/10 06:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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"A civilization which leaves so large a number of its participants unsatisfied and drives them into revolt neither has nor deserves the prospect of a lasting existence. "
-Sigmund Freud
I for one believe this to be true. If our civilization continues on the
same path as it has then we are doomed as a species. Are you willing
to see whats right in front of you???
Discuss...
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 Envix
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 Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942374 - 07/23/10 06:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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satisfaction comes from within
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942384 - 07/23/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
DeadHearts said:
I for one believe this to be true. If our civilization continues on the
same path as it has then we are doomed as a species.
What do you mean by "our" civilization, are you speaking of a particular country, or of all human civlizations?
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942386 - 07/23/10 06:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Envix said:
satisfaction comes from within
True. Some can stay positive no matter the situation. But I
fear most do not have this skill. And thats not entirely their
fault.
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Poid]
#12942390 - 07/23/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
DeadHearts said:
I for one believe this to be true. If our civilization continues on the
same path as it has then we are doomed as a species.
What do you mean by "our" civilization, are you speaking of a particular country, or of all human civlizations?
Modern civilization.
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Poid
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942399 - 07/23/10 06:17 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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So why would the fall of modern civlization cause the entire species to be doomed?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Poid]
#12942402 - 07/23/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Poid said:
So why would the fall of modern civlization cause the entire species to be doomed?
Because of the way I fear it to fall.
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Envix
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#12942418 - 07/23/10 06:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you can not find satisfaction from within, are you not then destined to be ruled by external factors? and therefore oppression is inevitable no matter what the circumstances
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942425 - 07/23/10 06:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Poid]
#12942431 - 07/23/10 06:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Envix said:
if you can not find satisfaction from within, are you not then destined to be ruled by external factors? and therefore oppression is inevitable no matter what the circumstances
Thats not true at all.
Quote:
Poid said:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
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Im not fearful whatsoever. When fear was used above it was used
as a figure of speech.
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Envix
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942441 - 07/23/10 06:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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tell me then, what will satisfy a man who leaves the responsibilities of his satisfaction to a "civilization", as you say
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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thatiAM
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942444 - 07/23/10 06:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
DeadHearts said:
Quote:
Envix said:
if you can not find satisfaction from within, are you not then destined to be ruled by external factors? and therefore oppression is inevitable no matter what the circumstances
Thats not true at all.
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Poid said:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
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Im not fearful whatsoever. When fear was used above it was used
as a figure of speech.
didn't you post bashar information, implying that it was valid? if so, there is more bashar information which clearly states that our civilization is not going into a more intense or worsened state of darkness.
it will appear that way for a short time as we are nearing the end of the cycle of darkness, so we don't have much time left to process it (paraphrased)
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942452 - 07/23/10 06:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said:
tell me then, what will satisfy a man who leaves the responsibilities of his satisfaction to a "civilization", as you say
Its not about leaving it all up to our civilization for happiness.
Thats crazy talk. The problem arises when the actions and or progression
of our civilization interferes with our happiness. There are obvious
examples of this so I please ask for you to not ask for examples.
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: thatiAM]
#12942459 - 07/23/10 06:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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thatiAM said:
Quote:
DeadHearts said:
Quote:
Envix said:
if you can not find satisfaction from within, are you not then destined to be ruled by external factors? and therefore oppression is inevitable no matter what the circumstances
Thats not true at all.
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Poid said:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
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Im not fearful whatsoever. When fear was used above it was used
as a figure of speech.
didn't you post bashar information, implying that it was valid? if so, there is more bashar information which clearly states that our civilization is not going into a more intense or worsened state of darkness.
it will appear that way for a short time as we are nearing the end of the cycle of darkness, so we don't have much time left to process it (paraphrased)
No I said it was interesting. And then was attacked for even thinking
the possibility of what he said is true. I dont know how I feel about
him.
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942467 - 07/23/10 06:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i was telling someone that regardless of what he claims to be what he says makes sense a lot of the time.
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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942471 - 07/23/10 06:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
No I said it was interesting. And then was attacked for even thinking
the possibility of what he said is true. I dont know how I feel about
him.
yeah lots of people around here are going to attack you for being more open to those ideas
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Olympus Mons]
#12942479 - 07/23/10 06:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Olympus Mons said:
i was telling someone that regardless of what he claims to be what he says makes sense a lot of the time.
Indeed.
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Envix
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942504 - 07/23/10 06:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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the progression of a civilization, as well as all of its negative baggage, is just as much a part of nature as meteor impacts, and other natural disasters.
if you want to blame your unsatisfactory life on nature, you may do so. but it will not be of benefit and you most certainly will not be able to grow if you shun every negative aspect that enters your life
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942506 - 07/23/10 06:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said:
if you want to blame your unsatisfactory life on nature, you may do so.
Nature is ultimately to blame for all things, good or bad.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942510 - 07/23/10 06:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said:
the progression of a civilization, as well as all of its negative baggage, is just as much a part of nature as meteor impacts, and other natural disasters.
if you want to blame your unsatisfactory life on nature, you may do so. but it will not be of benefit and you most certainly will not be able to grow if you shun every negative aspect that enters your life
Progression is natural yes but not in the way of that nature is natural.
At all.
Why do you say I have an unsatisfactory life??
You are implying too much or maybe not looking in the right
direction.
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Poid]
#12942513 - 07/23/10 06:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Poid said:
Quote:
DeadHearts said:
if you want to blame your unsatisfactory life on nature, you may do so.
Nature is ultimately to blame for all things, good or bad.
For the record I did not say that 
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Poid]
#12942523 - 07/23/10 06:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe you are all going to die!
hold on a minute....
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DeadHearts
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Quote:
MadSeasonAbove said:
I believe you are all going to die!
hold on a minute....
You are right. And one day even this earth will not be here.
Thanx for the useless input brah 
Now GTFO of dodge
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MadSeasonAbove
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942538 - 07/23/10 06:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol, so what have you done for this Earth, besides your useless rambling?
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DeadHearts
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MadSeasonAbove said:
lol, so what have you done for this Earth, besides your useless rambling?
What in the fuck are you even talking about. Seriously dont troll
my fucking thread.
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942548 - 07/23/10 06:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh i'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings..
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DeadHearts
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MadSeasonAbove said:
oh i'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings..
Oh dont worry you didnt 
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Envix
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942577 - 07/23/10 07:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i speak for you as you have spoken for the whole of civilization in your OP.
if you are not unsatisfied by the unsatisfaction of others, then what is the problem?
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942580 - 07/23/10 07:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Envix said:
i speak for you as you have spoken for the whole of civilization in your OP.
if you are not unsatisfied by the unsatisfaction of others, then what is the problem?
Ask me that question again when you can understand the Original quote.
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Envix
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942600 - 07/23/10 07:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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perhaps you can enlighten me?
you say if a civilization leaves the majority of its people unsatisfied then it is doomed. in summary.
i say that it is only doomed for the unsatisfied people.
what say you? 
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942607 - 07/23/10 07:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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He's saying that civilization is doomed if it fails the way he fears it will fail. 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Poid]
#12942616 - 07/23/10 07:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i get the feeling his civilization has already fallen
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942629 - 07/23/10 07:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Poid said:
He's saying that civilization is doomed if it fails the way he fears it will fail.
Nope.
Quote:
Envix said:
perhaps you can enlighten me?
you say if a civilization leaves the majority of its people unsatisfied then it is doomed. in summary.
i say that it is only doomed for the unsatisfied people.
what say you?
To be clear "I" did not say that
But anyways. What you said can be perceived as a true statement but
the quote does say MAJORITY. Which is a completely different ball game sir.
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942632 - 07/23/10 07:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Envix said:
i get the feeling his civilization has already fallen
You really do not know anything about me so Im not sure why you
say such things.
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Poid
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942646 - 07/23/10 07:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
DeadHearts said:
Quote:
Poid said:
He's saying that civilization is doomed if it fails the way he fears it will fail.
Nope.
Actually, yes:
Quote:
DeadHearts said:
Quote:
Poid said:
So why would the fall of modern civlization cause the entire species to be doomed?
Because of the way I fear it to fall.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Envix
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12942648 - 07/23/10 07:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i was calling you a bum. it was an insult.
cuz your dreary doom & gloom outlook of the world was bumming me out, man
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smack a hoe out this dimension
continue my ascension
-bhad bhabie
rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: Envix]
#12942661 - 07/23/10 07:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said:
i was calling you a bum. it was an insult.
cuz your dreary doom & gloom outlook of the world was bumming me out, man
I have no doom and gloom outlook at all and am rather positive
of the future. But we have to change the way / direction that or
civilization is moving.
So Im a bum?? What in the fuck??
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DeadHearts
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Re: Prospect of a lasting existence [Re: DeadHearts]
#12943608 - 07/23/10 11:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nothin to say envix?? Fuckin troll.
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